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[MR-from-NG]

Perhaps we can have a synopsis.

didn't know you spoke greek Mrfromng..

Greek, one of the nicest languages in the world. I love it and wish I could speak it. Is there anything wrong in that?

[DT.]

Perhaps we can have a synopsis.

didn't know you spoke greek Mrfromng..

Greek, one of the nicest languages in the world. I love it and wish I could speak it. Is there anything wrong in that?

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absolutely nothing Mrfromng...just thought you had a bit of a dislike against anything to do with us.

[MR-from-NG]

Perhaps we can have a synopsis.

didn't know you spoke greek Mrfromng..

Greek, one of the nicest languages in the world. I love it and wish I could speak it. Is there anything wrong in that?

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absolutely nothing Mrfromng...just thought you had a bit of a dislike against anything to do with us.

On the contrary, like everything else in life, you have likes and dislikes. I have always admired my fathers skill of the Greek language and have always cursed myself for not making the effort to learn.

[bigOz]

Thank you for going through the trouble of explaining your current position and why you may have been misunderstood or attacked by most TCs in this forum. It is good to communicate at this level...

I agree with most of the things you have pointed to, but again, you are confusing your own personal experiences and views with that of general ones. If I may explain it in more detail, you might appreciate what I am saying a little more:

I spent all of 1970s in UK going through college and Uni education. During that period I never came across any racism against Greeks either from people living there or in the media. On the contrary, the UK educational system was very pro-Greek, because Greek mythology was a big part of their high school teachings. Blacks? Yes - I agree on that but the claim
abaout racism against Greeks I totally disagree on. It could well have been your own feelings, because none of my friends and myself had any racist views against Greeks either. As I repeatedly expressed in my previous posts, GC and TC students worked together perfectly well under various cultural and sports activities - even after the 1974 invasion!

If I talk about having a peaceful Cyprus with all peoples rights and lives returned to be normal once again, both for TC's and GC's, and not give into those who would rather live of the misery of others, despite our past history in Cyprus, at the end of the day, we are all Cypriots and we are all flesh and blood. Does this make me blind to certain realities that are still there, which may cause further dangers to the TC community, and the answer is NO

I am afraid you are wrong there - currently the answer is YES, because you are avoiding certain realities. Perhaps you should read some of the fanatic GC posts in this forum to expand your views. I would have agreed with you whole-heartedly on the above, if it weren't for the fact that not many GCs feel the same was as you stated in your paragraph above - again, examples are plenty in this forum.

Just to give you couple of examples of many: Around four weeks ago, in a football game between two GC sides, a Greek paper showed pictures of GC youth holding out a banner in the terraces saying "EOKA hit them one more time!", as well picture of other youths surrounding the banner, posing with a Nazi salutes!

Few weeks ago, a young TC boy and a girl attending the English school in the Greek part of Nicosia, got beat very badly by GC thugs for being TCs. These kids were sent there by TC families who believed in a united Cyprus like you do. Guess how they are feeling now?

Let me ask you a question you can answer without alluding to anything else. How often do you follow local news in Cyprus and how often do you hear of such goings on? If not very often, then I hope you realise how ill informed and wrong you can be in your evaluations. That is why you may really be "blind to certain realities that are still there, which may cause further dangers to the TC community" - as you put it in your post.

You tell me BigOz, would you have entered the "TRNC" if you were going on a holiday someplace, in which my main purpose was to sort out my mothers land in the RoC, and I was also travelling with my girlfriend.

I still say you were ill informed on this subject. You may need to have some kind of exemption form from the "Asal sube", each time you leave the country because they do not know if you have come to settle or just for a brief holiday. Most TCs do stay for months before returning to their country of residence. I shall enquire and inform you on what the military requirements are. Perhaps one of the other TCs who may know more can throw light to this subject. But if I am not mistaken, similar rules are in power for military service for the GCs in the Greek side! A visit to TRNC may help you view things from both perspectives.

By the way, I did not follow your posts, so I hope you do not mind me asking you: Did you end up selling your land to a GC in the end or did you just claimed your deeds for it?

As for my family property in Paphos, Evdim, Kukla, Paramal and Alektora (houses, business premises, hundreds of donums of wineyards, bananas) I had given up long time ago for having the security of sleeping without fear of my children getting killed. What I am finding hard to accept is not knowing what has happened to my sister's grave in the TC cemetery that has been turned into a car Park!

[DT.]

Just to give you couple of examples of many: Around four weeks ago, in a football game between two GC sides, a Greek paper showed pictures of GC youth holding out a banner in the terraces saying "EOKA hit them one more time!", as well picture of other youths surrounding the banner, posing with a Nazi salutes!

Few weeks ago, a young TC boy and a girl attending the English school in the Greek part of Nicosia, got beat very badly by GC thugs for being TCs. These kids were sent there by TC families who believed in a united Cyprus like you do. Guess how they are feeling now?!

Let me correct you on a few things here BigOZ. I was at that football match and also say a big sign saying Istanbul since 1463 and a trnc flag. Does that mean the entire group of omonoia fans are happy that Constanitnople became instanbul and that they suuport the "trnc"? The 2 hoodlums that were holding that banner up where not far from me and they got an earbashing soon afterwards. I suppoese thse 2 hoodlums are the GC alternative to a very organised group on your side called the Grey WOlves.

As for the 2nd example could you ellaborate? I haven't heard anything about this.

[bigOz]

Just to give you couple of examples of many: Around four weeks ago, in a football game between two GC sides, a Greek paper showed pictures of GC youth holding out a banner in the terraces saying "EOKA hit them one more time!", as well picture of other youths surrounding the banner, posing with a Nazi salutes!

Few weeks ago, a young TC boy and a girl attending the English school in the Greek part of Nicosia, got beat very badly by GC thugs for being TCs. These kids were sent there by TC families who believed in a united Cyprus like you do. Guess how they are feeling now?!

Let me correct you on a few things here BigOZ. I was at that football match and also say a big sign saying Istanbul since 1463 and a trnc flag. Does that mean the entire group of omonoia fans are happy that Constanitnople became instanbul and that they suuport the "trnc"? The 2 hoodlums that were holding that banner up where not far from me and they got an earbashing soon afterwards. I suppoese thse 2 hoodlums are the GC alternative to a very organised group on your side called the Grey WOlves.

As for the 2nd example could you ellaborate? I haven't heard anything about this.

Re "Istanbul since - 1453" was probably referring to the "Megalo Idea" that had always been in Greek domain because they believed one day it would be capture back as "Constantinople" - the name was changed after its capture by Ottomans in 1453... But clearly it is open to debate - however, I doubt any Omonia supporters used the banner for any Turkish supporting role.

Yes we do have some (not many) Grey Wolves plus their sympathisers who may be on the same wavelength as their counterparts on the Greek side, but at least I do not deny their existence like many GCs who are in denial in this forum. The only way you will trust to live with me is if I accept they exist and do something to get rid of them before we can live together. That way you know that some Grey Wolf thug will not put a bullet in your daughter's or son's brain in a disco or a bar, after a social argument.

The reverse is also true! The only way I will trust to live with my GC countrymen is if they get rid of their thugs and the hate preaching that is going on. Hence, it goes back to what I always say in these posts; GCs must accept a transitional solution for a period when both sides can make serious attempts to clear their sides of anyone who will be a threat to the other's security and cause any inter communal friction or deaths. Before then, anything else is superimposed and bound to fail!

[DT.]

you'll find this interestuing

go to www.trifillara.com which is the hard core supporters of omonoia. SOme of them have the turkish flags as avatars...all are also suppoerters of left wing turkish teams such as fener etc...

there was a post a while back about an organised trip they held in istanbul.

The istanbul since 1453 was meant against the apoel fans who behave more greek than cypriot. They supported trabzonspor when they played against apoel.

[Pyrpolizer]

Woops you just made it you avatar Kikapu!

That was just a draft example though, we could superimpose your name better.

Anyway, have fun my friend. Long live Ki-ka-pu-the sail-or-man. Tooo, toooooo

NB. You owe me nothing.

[iceman]

you'll find this interestuing

go to www.trifillara.com which is the hard core supporters of omonoia. SOme of them have the turkish flags as avatars...all are also suppoerters of left wing turkish teams such as fener etc...

there was a post a while back about an organised trip they held in istanbul.

The istanbul since 1453 was meant against the apoel fans who behave more greek than cypriot. They supported trabzonspor when they played against apoel.

I can confirm that...Omonia fans even wave TRNC flags at the stadium to piss off Apoel fanatics.

[denizaksulu]

DT: Maybe the reason Omonoia supporters wave the Turkish flag for different reasons, even more sinister reasons!!!!