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[Pyrpolizer]

Oh another thread that turned into full venom against Kikapu.

@kikapu:
I understand your confussion , when one day tell you they starve from embargoes and the other day telling you the BMW agent has broken the record sales.

Well allow me to tell you my observations:
when denktash opened the gates I went there and I was trying to talk with as many as I could. Not only TCs but even Turks from Turkey.
At that time every TC I spoke was telling how dramatically low their number dropped it was estimated they were less than 80,000. Everybody was ready to leave... as they were too many unemployed.

Then the referendum came, then Cyprus's EU accession, and soon after the construction boom and selling of GC properties, and unemployement among TCs dropped dramatically after 6000 started crossing every day for work. It is true that you can see too many brand new Mercedeces and BMWs around in the occupied, and that makes you wonder if the Tcs are really poor. Of course you can also observe the rusted and fainted paint, second hand Renaults imported from Turkey, but the number of new cars is indeed noticeable. Needless to say that too many Tcs expats seem to be coming back en masse.

so from the opening of the gates by Denktash until today I think the standard of living of TCs has doubled.

Imo what contributed mostly to that is the selling of Gc properties.Imo again this is a fatal mistake that will make the Cyprus problem totally unsolvable, and have a huge impact on the next generation of TCs. This is a very-very unfortunate development....

Now if you take the matter politically this "new era" gave rise to the partitionists. In fact the feeling is "we are doing fine, look within 3 years we doubled our standard of living, all we miss is recognition, hence direct flights and tourists and we will surpass the GCs in no time. All of you stay together, support our cause and sooner or later we will have our own state. WE DO NOT NEED THE GCs ANYMORE"


This is the situation today as I see it.

Still crying that the embargoes did not starve us out ey!

Why do you keep going on about us saying one thing and then another. Was it not you that was foaming at the mouth a while back and posting the GDP of the TRNC/KKTC and saying we are doomed. If you can change your story then why are amazed that others do. I think if you care to think back, or at all for that matter, we did say that things were changing there fast but we stil;l need the embargoes lifted so we can visit our country faster and cheaper.....Hahahahahahaha!

Kikapu has indeed a very good memory. I almost forgot about VPs satelite connection.

But you Zan, Oh my poor Zany, you have such a confused memory!!!
I NEVER posted the crap you wrote. You confused me with someone else.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh another thread that turned into full venom against Kikapu.

@kikapu:
I understand your confussion , when one day tell you they starve from embargoes and the other day telling you the BMW agent has broken the record sales.

Well allow me to tell you my observations:
when denktash opened the gates I went there and I was trying to talk with as many as I could. Not only TCs but even Turks from Turkey.
At that time every TC I spoke was telling how dramatically low their number dropped it was estimated they were less than 80,000. Everybody was ready to leave... as they were too many unemployed.

Then the referendum came, then Cyprus's EU accession, and soon after the construction boom and selling of GC properties, and unemployement among TCs dropped dramatically after 6000 started crossing every day for work. It is true that you can see too many brand new Mercedeces and BMWs around in the occupied, and that makes you wonder if the Tcs are really poor. Of course you can also observe the rusted and fainted paint, second hand Renaults imported from Turkey, but the number of new cars is indeed noticeable. Needless to say that too many Tcs expats seem to be coming back en masse.

so from the opening of the gates by Denktash until today I think the standard of living of TCs has doubled.

Imo what contributed mostly to that is the selling of Gc properties.Imo again this is a fatal mistake that will make the Cyprus problem totally unsolvable, and have a huge impact on the next generation of TCs. This is a very-very unfortunate development....

Now if you take the matter politically this "new era" gave rise to the partitionists. In fact the feeling is "we are doing fine, look within 3 years we doubled our standard of living, all we miss is recognition, hence direct flights and tourists and we will surpass the GCs in no time. All of you stay together, support our cause and sooner or later we will have our own state. WE DO NOT NEED THE GCs ANYMORE"


This is the situation today as I see it.

Very correct and actual statement. What however statement refrain to state is that this situation created not because of Dengtash decition to open the gates but the GCs stupidness to support same. This happen because GCs has still a consfusion with whom they have the problem and whos game are playing when still visiting North. I was personally a victim of this game visiting this area once, when I was feelling that i was in Afganistan instead of Cyprus area or even worst a European area.

This was in the begining when gates open, I do not know how is the situation today however villages in Famguasta area were like Afghanistan when gates initially opened.

We , The Greeks of the Island, worked hard, we paid high taxes in order Cyprus entered EU and now the North, did nothing want to be part of it. Give them what they deserve, give them the bill of cooperation with foreign invasion army and tell them that they will be a European citizen when they will start to behave so. When they will realise the obligations required to be a European citizen.

Otherwise lieve them in their Afghanistan state.

Listen Epsilon, I listed all the reasons and I pointed out which is the biggest reason.Do you know what 2 billion income from stolen GC properties means?
Now you come and say just because 6000 poor (and yes they are the poor TCs who were uneployed) come and work in the free areas that was what helped the prtitionists? well just do simple maths, the yearly salaries of all those people is not more than 60 million. Its money earned by one of the hardest works with sweat and honesty. Worth every penny of it for the poor TC worker.
Please shut up. I don't want to talk with you anymore

[EPSILON]

Oh another thread that turned into full venom against Kikapu.

@kikapu:
I understand your confussion , when one day tell you they starve from embargoes and the other day telling you the BMW agent has broken the record sales.

Well allow me to tell you my observations:
when denktash opened the gates I went there and I was trying to talk with as many as I could. Not only TCs but even Turks from Turkey.
At that time every TC I spoke was telling how dramatically low their number dropped it was estimated they were less than 80,000. Everybody was ready to leave... as they were too many unemployed.

Then the referendum came, then Cyprus's EU accession, and soon after the construction boom and selling of GC properties, and unemployement among TCs dropped dramatically after 6000 started crossing every day for work. It is true that you can see too many brand new Mercedeces and BMWs around in the occupied, and that makes you wonder if the Tcs are really poor. Of course you can also observe the rusted and fainted paint, second hand Renaults imported from Turkey, but the number of new cars is indeed noticeable. Needless to say that too many Tcs expats seem to be coming back en masse.

so from the opening of the gates by Denktash until today I think the standard of living of TCs has doubled.

Imo what contributed mostly to that is the selling of Gc properties.Imo again this is a fatal mistake that will make the Cyprus problem totally unsolvable, and have a huge impact on the next generation of TCs. This is a very-very unfortunate development....

Now if you take the matter politically this "new era" gave rise to the partitionists. In fact the feeling is "we are doing fine, look within 3 years we doubled our standard of living, all we miss is recognition, hence direct flights and tourists and we will surpass the GCs in no time. All of you stay together, support our cause and sooner or later we will have our own state. WE DO NOT NEED THE GCs ANYMORE"


This is the situation today as I see it.

Very correct and actual statement. What however statement refrain to state is that this situation created not because of Dengtash decition to open the gates but the GCs stupidness to support same. This happen because GCs has still a consfusion with whom they have the problem and whos game are playing when still visiting North. I was personally a victim of this game visiting this area once, when I was feelling that i was in Afganistan instead of Cyprus area or even worst a European area.

This was in the begining when gates open, I do not know how is the situation today however villages in Famguasta area were like Afghanistan when gates initially opened.

We , The Greeks of the Island, worked hard, we paid high taxes in order Cyprus entered EU and now the North, did nothing want to be part of it. Give them what they deserve, give them the bill of cooperation with foreign invasion army and tell them that they will be a European citizen when they will start to behave so. When they will realise the obligations required to be a European citizen.

Otherwise lieve them in their Afghanistan state.

Listen Epsilon, I listed all the reasons and I pointed out which is the biggest reason.Do you know what 2 billion income from stolen GC properties means?
Now you come and say just because 6000 poor (and yes they are the poor TCs who were uneployed) come and work in the free areas that was what helped the prtitionists? well just do simple maths, the yearly salaries of all those people is not more than 60 million. Its money earned by one of the hardest works with sweat and honesty. Worth every penny of it for the poor TC worker.
Please shut up. I don't want to talk with you anymore

Maybe i am crazy but what you are saying here? did i say anything about TCs coming and working in South????My post was clearly refered to the GCs visiting North as from the time gates openned. Maybe you have to read again what i stated in my post- you are not going to make me to feel crazy!!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

Well that's even more obsurd. Has that really boomed the standard of living of the Tcs by 2 times in just 3 years? And why not visit? Why not eat at a restaurant with a TC friend -they are so proud they never accept us to pay but we are also proud we never accept they pay when they visit us.
It builds good relations man.

Now if you are talking for those going to the Kazinos that's a different story.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw have you gone to the gates recently? Very very few GCs cross anymore.They 've all seen their villages it's over.

[EPSILON]

Well that's even more obsurd. Has that really boomed the standard of living of the Tcs by 2 times in just 3 years? And why not visit? Why not eat at a restaurant with a TC friend -they are so proud they never accept us to pay but we are also proud we never accept they pay when they visit us.
It builds good relations man.

Now if you are talking for those going to the Kazinos that's a different story.

My problem is not the TCs or their standard of life, my problem is what stated before, their fake state, controlled by invasion army standard of life. I would never have a problem to eat and pay a TC -my problem is starts when i know hat this TC is paying taxes, out of my money to the invasion forces state in order for it to became stable and survive.

[pitsilos]

epsilon have you ecer consider the fact that not all tcs are well off? have you ever considered that there are tcs victims as well?

not everyone got haram land epsilon...only the privileged ones like the vips, plural, got haram land.

all I am saying in every conflict there are always 2 victims.

[zan]

Oh another thread that turned into full venom against Kikapu.

@kikapu:
I understand your confussion , when one day tell you they starve from embargoes and the other day telling you the BMW agent has broken the record sales.

Well allow me to tell you my observations:
when denktash opened the gates I went there and I was trying to talk with as many as I could. Not only TCs but even Turks from Turkey.
At that time every TC I spoke was telling how dramatically low their number dropped it was estimated they were less than 80,000. Everybody was ready to leave... as they were too many unemployed.

Then the referendum came, then Cyprus's EU accession, and soon after the construction boom and selling of GC properties, and unemployement among TCs dropped dramatically after 6000 started crossing every day for work. It is true that you can see too many brand new Mercedeces and BMWs around in the occupied, and that makes you wonder if the Tcs are really poor. Of course you can also observe the rusted and fainted paint, second hand Renaults imported from Turkey, but the number of new cars is indeed noticeable. Needless to say that too many Tcs expats seem to be coming back en masse.

so from the opening of the gates by Denktash until today I think the standard of living of TCs has doubled.

Imo what contributed mostly to that is the selling of Gc properties.Imo again this is a fatal mistake that will make the Cyprus problem totally unsolvable, and have a huge impact on the next generation of TCs. This is a very-very unfortunate development....

Now if you take the matter politically this "new era" gave rise to the partitionists. In fact the feeling is "we are doing fine, look within 3 years we doubled our standard of living, all we miss is recognition, hence direct flights and tourists and we will surpass the GCs in no time. All of you stay together, support our cause and sooner or later we will have our own state. WE DO NOT NEED THE GCs ANYMORE"


This is the situation today as I see it.

Still crying that the embargoes did not starve us out ey!

Why do you keep going on about us saying one thing and then another. Was it not you that was foaming at the mouth a while back and posting the GDP of the TRNC/KKTC and saying we are doomed. If you can change your story then why are amazed that others do. I think if you care to think back, or at all for that matter, we did say that things were changing there fast but we stil;l need the embargoes lifted so we can visit our country faster and cheaper.....Hahahahahahaha!

Kikapu has indeed a very good memory. I almost forgot about VPs satelite connection.

But you Zan, Oh my poor Zany, you have such a confused memory!!!
I NEVER posted the crap you wrote. You confused me with someone else.

Oh Yeh! I keep forgetting there was more than one of you for a while..............You need to do some research on his posts so that you can claim them as your own......

[EPSILON]

epsilon have you ecer consider the fact that not all tcs are well off? have you ever considered that there are tcs victims as well?

not everyone got haram land epsilon...only the privileged ones like the vips, plural, got haram land.

all I am saying in every conflict there are always 2 victims.

Fully agree.But the point here was whether is correct by an indirect way we, the main victims, to help financially the invasion forces to create a stable "state"

I have quoted many times that my problem is not TCs , who in a European community country can live without any problem or reduction on their rights.My problem is the invator to whom i would prefer to not give a hand on his plans.

[EPSILON]

Btw have you gone to the gates recently? Very very few GCs cross anymore.They 've all seen their villages it's over.

I hope you are right.