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[gizzy]

oh and I think the male version of "gocagarı" is "garthoroz", ^^

[DT.]

oh and I think the male version of "gocagarı" is "garthoroz", ^^

in pyros case its Pachoyeros

[Kikapu]

What a fresh voice in this forum you are gizzy!! Welcome to this forum.
I am a person who usually fires at everybody (hence my nick) but I don't think i will fire at you any time soon.
This is just your only post I read tonight, I will have to read more of your posts to get to know you better.

Having read the above I realised you haven't done military service so I guess you are female right?

yeah, am a female

Anyway can you tell us some about the life of young TC people?

Mind you I am a "gochagari" -my youngest daughter is about your age. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hey don't be surprised There are too many kochagaris in this forum, I am not the only one,

hehe... gochagarıs rulezz...lol

From you question on TRNC youth, I deduce you are probably living abroad...
Actually the life of the young of the TCs is usually full of "alem" and "eylence", there is nothing serious going on that could be discussed as the most "important" parts of their lives are "what to wear" and "which car to get" etc... However as people get more "mature", thats the time when the main concerns start... What am I gonna do in the future? Which subject should I study? etc... As the job opportunities in TRNC is limited, choosing a career is really hard...
What are their options?
To be fair there is not much of an option. Since our economy is closed to the outside world, there had been much of a development. For example in my case there are not much job opportunity in TRNC. There are not medical research centres in the north and I think the only drug company is the same-old Pharmamondeal on Mesarya.
Many people of my age will probably choose to stay in the UK or work in the south coz there is not much opportunities for us in the North, unles you have god a family job to take-over.

Gizzy,

Our good friend Pyro is a real " çok eski Horoz" "very old Cock..rooster"

OK, so things are not so fine in the "TRNC" as far as the job opportunities go, so what do the young do all day long, specially those from Turkey, who cannot get a RoC passport, or even visit the RoC. Do they just lay about, or just hang around the cafes or bars or clubs, or just simply do a lot of "gawking" with envy of those who have "made it". Is it a really good case of the "haves and have nots", and mostly being the "have nots". Even if the "TRNC" was a recognised state, can you really see a booming economy taking place there, or is it just a wishful thinking, that that would happen.

Why do you think, that the Partitionist desperately want to divide the island. Is it because they have benefited from stolen GC land and that they don't want to give it back and become just another "common" TC or a mainland settler, who now has property, that did not have very much in Turkey. Does this than not make the whole Partition based on Greed rather that anything else, even though, I do agree, there are other issues, but Greed may be at the very top of the ladder.


If good jobs are in short supply, then how do you explain, that BMW and perhaphs other luxury cars, are being afforded by those living in the "TRNC". Can I make an assumption, that the money is coming from selling GC land to the foreigners, so that some people are really living it up. What would happen, when there's not much land left to sell. Will the "TRNC" economy collapse, because I do not think tourism alone is going to be able to sustain that "state", all by itself.

I have many more questions, but I do not want to "swamp" you with everything in one post.

[gizzy]

Gizzy,

Our good friend Pyro is a real " çok eski Horoz" "very old Cock..rooster"

OK, so things are not so fine in the "TRNC" as far as the job opportunities go, so what do the young do all day long, specially those from Turkey, who cannot get a RoC passport, or even visit the RoC. Do they just lay about, or just hang around the cafes or bars or clubs, or just simply do a lot of "gawking" with envy of those who have "made it". Is it a really good case of the "haves and have nots", and mostly being the "have nots". Even if the "TRNC" was a recognised state, can you really see a booming economy taking place there, or is it just a wishful thinking, that that would happen.

Well... I believe the census doesnt reflect the real amount of the TCs that were meant to be in the island...Why? Coz many of them are living abroad, working abroad and thats , they had to emigrate to earn their living. As you probably know, we have high literacy rate and almost everyone goes to university. Especially the new generation is going to get even more fed up with everything thats going on... I know people who study "chemistry" and when they come to TRNC , they run their family show and it has nothing to do with what they studied. Even now I have these kind of conversation with my family: "dont expect me to get a job here, I probably wont be able to" etc... And now they want me to study another thing or work in the government but thats not my ideal. I told them in advance that I will probably wont be returning as I wouldnt wanna be a simple "biology" teacher after all the education that I have done here. As you could imagine, its hard for them to accept that I will be living abroad since am their only child, its even harder...
Most of the settlers work in "restaurants", "cafes" etc.. Usually those kind of work they do. They usually live in a seperate place than us for example in Nicosia they are concentrated in "surichi", the ones that are doing construction work usually hang around idle when they finished their work and cause "disconfort" to the TC people and especially our girls.. For example they would hang around the Kyrenia bay and a group of girls should be crazy to pass by one group of these people coz they would look at us weird or even tell something weird. Especially since the constuctions have boomed in Kyrenia, their number have gone up like crazy and even the population census showed it...

I think if TRNC was recognized then everything would have been easier for everybody since we would no longer have ambargoes. We have a strong educated workforce, a huge variety and plenty of land on Mesarya that is, lol. If we are to be recognized, I believe we would have more high-tech and medical industries, and probably more trade and I believe probably Arab world would probably be our "costumers". Also our tourism would boom since we would freely be able to advertize the north... Most importantly after more job opportunities, people would come back from abroad and be together with their families again.

Why do you think, that the Partitionist desperately want to divide the island. Is it because they have benefited from stolen GC land and that they don't want to give it back and become just another "common" TC or a mainland settler, who now has property, that did not have very much in Turkey. Does this than not make the whole Partition based on Greed rather that anything else, even though, I do agree, there are other issues, but Greed may be at the very top of the ladder.

Hmmm...I think there can be a variety of scenerios. What you are saying about the GC land issue is probably also correct. My dad also left some land in the south and he was given GC land back but they didnt do any constructions on it coz they know that the owner of their land is GC and at the end of the day, nothing changes, the real owners are the owners... They also didnt sell it coz he knows he looses his right to own the TC land he left on the south. I guess some "money lover" just sold their GC land and now they dont want a union coz they wouldnt have a place to live... Or similar things as you mentioned are also highly possible....
I dont think all patritionist reason for being like that is cause of "greed", I believe some of them are truely "scared" ... There can be a variety of reasons ı guess... Nothing else came to my mind now...

If good jobs are in short supply, then how do you explain, that BMW and perhaphs other luxury cars, are being afforded by those living in the "TRNC". Can I make an assumption, that the money is coming from selling GC land to the foreigners, so that some people are really living it up. What would happen, when there's not much land left to sell. Will the "TRNC" economy collapse, because I do not think tourism alone is going to be able to sustain that "state", all by itself.

Well...most probably they are coming from selling the GC land and also the bussines owners earn good if they are popular. + usually its the families who usually buy their children cars. I am afraid, some of them are stupid enough not to realize once they finish their money, that will be the end of their wealth coz once they sell their land then thats it... I guess clever ones are opening new bussineses but then again those bussineses wont work well if there arent enough costumers...

I have many more questions, but I do not want to "swamp" you with everything in one post.

well... I think the best is one question at a time coz then I would write a better essay on it lol

[Kikapu]

They also didnt sell it coz he knows he looses his right to own the TC land he left on the south. I guess some "money lover" just sold their GC land and now they dont want a union coz they wouldnt have a place to live... Or similar things as you mentioned are also highly possible....

I dont think all patritionist reason for being like that is cause of "greed", I believe some of them are truely "scared" ... There can be a variety of reasons ı guess... Nothing else came to my mind now...

Gizzy,

Is that really true, that if you sell any GC land that was given to the TC's against their land in the RoC, that they would lose their land in the RoC, because the RoC does not recognise anything that goes on in the "TRNC", therefore the rightful owners of the TC land in the RoC, remains as such. It is of course a crime to buy and sell GC land in the "TRNC" without the REAL OWNERS permission, but that can only be dealt with, when the right time comes.

I'm a TC who has been out of the Country since 1963 and went back to Cyprus for the first time in 43 years, which I wrote about the whole trip on the forum couple of weeks ago. If you want to read it, it's here http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11420 . I spent 2 weeks in the RoC, and despite all my fears, it was unfounded to be scary, after the first day or so, so since there are hundreds who cross over to the RoC for work each day or shopping, why is it, that the General TC Population has not reversed their thinking on being "scared" of the GC's. Everybody seems to be coming home each night from their jobs in the RoC, so where is the "scare", or is it the Partitionist who have gained wealth from buying and selling GC's land, are the ones who are creating the "bogeyman" scare tactics, to avoid going to prison for their illegal activities now, if we ever had a Unified Cyprus.

[gizzy]

They also didnt sell it coz he knows he looses his right to own the TC land he left on the south. I guess some "money lover" just sold their GC land and now they dont want a union coz they wouldnt have a place to live... Or similar things as you mentioned are also highly possible....

I dont think all patritionist reason for being like that is cause of "greed", I believe some of them are truely "scared" ... There can be a variety of reasons ı guess... Nothing else came to my mind now...

Gizzy,

Is that really true, that if you sell any GC land that was given to the TC's against their land in the RoC, that they would lose their land in the RoC, because the RoC does not recognise anything that goes on in the "TRNC", therefore the rightful owners of the TC land in the RoC, remains as such. It is of course a crime to buy and sell GC land in the "TRNC" without the REAL OWNERS permission, but that can only be dealt with, when the right time comes.

I think the land issue is a big problem and they are making the situation even worse by selling GC they were given even though they didnt have any "puan"...

Its a bit complicated....I am not expert in law and I need to do more research on this but I think this is how it works:
-lets say you left 10 "dönüm" TC land in the south and the government has given you 10 "dönüm" of GC land in return of your "10 donum" puan. If you sell the GC land given to you and gave away your "puan", this means you have sold your TC land on the south.
-lets say you didnt have any land in the south therefore you have no "puan" but TRNC government gave you 10 "dönüm" of GC land. If you sell this land, it means the new owners still doesnt have TC land in return and you made profit out of this exchange since you made money out of air just like that. The new owners of the GC land you sold are therefore would have not earned any TC land in return...

I'm a TC who has been out of the Country since 1963 and went back to Cyprus for the first time in 43 years, which I wrote about the whole trip on the forum couple of weeks ago. If you want to read it, it's here http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11420 . I spent 2 weeks in the RoC, and despite all my fears, it was unfounded to be scary, after the first day or so, so since there are hundreds who cross over to the RoC for work each day or shopping, why is it, that the General TC Population has not reversed their thinking on being "scared" of the GC's. Everybody seems to be coming home each night from their jobs in the RoC, so where is the "scare", or is it the Partitionist who have gained wealth from buying and selling GC's land, are the ones who are creating the "bogeyman" scare tactics, to avoid going to prison for their illegal activities now, if we ever had a Unified Cyprus.

Probably some old people are still scared...Like my grandma, thats what she says but we took her to the south so they can see their village again. Their houses were demolished and she started crying and all... She says she is scared but its more like she thinks if we unite, the government is gonna ask her to go out of her house just like that and she is quiet happy living in Morfou... Therefore its more like mixture of being "scared" of the GC but more like being "scared" of moving out, etc.... The property issue is I think the biggest problem.... The TRNC government has done nothing to stop the GC lands being sold etc... You are absolutely right on this "Partitionist who have gained wealth from buying and selling GC's land, are the ones who are creating the "bogeyman" scare tactics, to avoid going to prison for their illegal activities now, if we ever had a Unified Cyprus." ... I already told you, these people are selfish and they are "açgözlü"(full of greed), they did all this for money and now they have the fake "we are scared from GC" impression but they are actually scared they have no land left since they sold it all and spent the money....

[gizzy]

Oh...I always assumed you are a GC coz of your nick "kikapu" sounds greek... ^^

[iceman]

Oh...I always assumed you are a GC coz of your nick "kikapu" sounds greek... ^^

HAHAHA..dont worry gizzy...you are not far off..

[MR-from-NG]

Oh...I always assumed you are a GC coz of your nick "kikapu" sounds greek... ^^

The only thing you got just about right more than the name its the posts that give kikapu away

[Get Real!]

Oh...I always assumed you are a GC coz of your nick "kikapu" sounds greek... ^^

I hate to disappoint you but Kikapu is not a person but a Swahili basket…

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