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The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

[Get Real!]

They can be deported very humanely don't worry. All they need is money from those who brought them here. So don't ask for an agreement with us. Make whatever agreement you like with Turkey and SOLVE THE PROBLEM. This is NOT a problem that concerns US.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I couldn't care less if they've lived here for three decades or not... I want them all out period. These are illegal Anatolians and belong in Turkey not here!

As I said before, that the settlers will leave on their own accord once they realize that they will not be able to remain in the properties that belong to others, and do not have the money to pay for it. They will also leave, because unlike Turkish Cypriots who have a history in sharing the island with the GC's, the Anatolians do not, therefore they will not want to remain in Cyprus, unless they were able to form their own community in one corner of the island. If there are growing problems between the TC's and the Turks now, as it has been mentioned by others on the forum, it will be even worse, between the GC's and the Turks in the future.

I doubt they’ll budge without any “encouragement” because Cyprus is in the EU so they probably think it’s cool. But yes you’re right, if they stay here it will be a time bomb waiting to go off in the future. Tomorrow they’ll rise up and want partition and we’ll all go back to zero again!

I’ve always believed that if and when we (Cypriots) find the way to remove Turkey from the whole equation everything else can be easily sorted out.

Sorted out the GC way? Turkey is our only guarantee that you guys willtake us seriously and into the equation otherwise you will do everything humanely possible to ensure we are down graded to a minority in our own country, which we want to have say in. Turkey will only leave after a comprehensive solution has been found where you will not have the freedom to do as wish with TCs, we do not want to be ruled purely by GCs, we demand a say in our own future.

You and I have never agreed on these matters before VP so I doubt anything will change now because you already know my answer to that...

The Cypriot democracy reinforced by the EU, and with standard minority protections in place, will ensure your freedom and say but you fail to tell readers that your wants (as opposed to your needs) go way beyond that...

[Viewpoint]

We are not just like other minorities, we are like the English in the Uk or the Germans of Germany, we own the country just like you and therefore demand our rights accordingly, we are not talking individual rights which are the same for everyone but political rights as in Switzerland, Belgium and the now divided Serbia and Montenegro. There must be equality for all but all we ask is a say in our own future, a fine balance must be found to secure our partnership, where we are not excluded, discriminated or forced against our will to accept total GC domination in the running of a united Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

We are not just like other minorities, we are like the English in the Uk or the Germans of Germany, we own the country just like you and therefore demand our rights accordingly, we are not talking individual rights which are the same for everyone but political rights as in Switzerland, Belgium and the now divided Serbia and Montenegro. There must be equality for all but all we ask is a say in our own future, a fine balance must be found to secure our partnership, where we are not excluded, discriminated or forced against our will to accept total GC domination in the running of a united Cyprus.

Yes we are like the English and the Germans, so who said anything different. Do you see some cockney speaking English demanding their own government or special political privileges.

Don't even compare us to the Swiss or Montenegro, because I don't think you understand their system at all, and even if you do, you are telling us a lie, by trying to make the comparison, because a comparison cannot be made.

For example, Montenegro voted 50.5% to 49.5% to leave the greater Yugoslavia. What you fail to say is, all those living in Montenegro voted to break away, and not just one small group, so if you want to make a more accurate comparisons, then all Cypriots will need to vote, on whether you should break away or not. I believe the results would be 90%-10%, motion denied, for you to break away.

Now will you accept that vote, or do you want to make everything fit into your distorted world.

[EPSILON]

The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

This is a fake threat!!!Recognition of NC State. All these who are saying solution now because NC will be recognised must reply to the simple question. Do they want GCs to avoid this recognision by accepting solution plans like Annan? Do Gcs have to officially accept the results of the invasion and in addition to give official authority to Turkey to be the guarantor of whole Island, including North and South?

All these of GCs supporting solution now or asap must clarify what kind of solution Turkey can accept at the time they have the military power and they are already in North Cyprus- For what reason to accept something worst than this?Any solution must be with one main term (for GCs side) to be better than what we have today, otherwise for what?

[bigOz]

The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

This is a fake threat!!!Recognition of NC State. All these who are saying solution now because NC will be recognised must reply to the simple question. Do they want GCs to avoid this recognision by accepting solution plans like Annan? Do Gcs have to officially accept the results of the invasion and in addition to give official authority to Turkey to be the guarantor of whole Island, including North and South?

All these of GCs supporting solution now or asap must clarify what kind of solution Turkey can accept at the time they have the military power and they are already in North Cyprus- For what reason to accept something worst than this?Any solution must be with one main term (for GCs side) to be better than what we have today, otherwise for what?

Otherwise for a political solution! Yes?

You wish to get rid of the Turkish army breathing down your neck, and TCs wish to oblige you, by being allowed to live in their own part of Cyprus in total security, but with the door ajar for a future undivided Cyprus where TCs and GCs can live together.

Under the circumstances the first part is achievable but the latter is not a real possibility because current educatiuonal and religious systems have been generating a degree of hatred and fear - as well as fanatic racists - in both sides. Hanging for dear life the TCs are saying, lets start with a Federal system allowing us breathing space for a while, move the Turkish army out, and work together to bring the communities to a level where the hatred disappears and they can live together.

The GCs are saying; No! we are in EU anyway, we are recognised, we get all the economic and financial help packages from EU, we get all the tourists and recognised international trade, we are doing TCs a favour - so we dictate what we want they have to abide. Get rid of the Turkish army, return all our lands to us (yours we can discuss later), let us govern you. Security guarantees? What security do you want? You have the word of the great RoC government. Write off everything that happened in th epast, except what had happened to GCs of course and we can all live happily ever after...

Sure! Great plan - pull the other one its got bells on!
You must really have a very low opinion of TCs intelligence

[Viewpoint]

The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

This is a fake threat!!!Recognition of NC State. All these who are saying solution now because NC will be recognised must reply to the simple question. Do they want GCs to avoid this recognision by accepting solution plans like Annan? Do Gcs have to officially accept the results of the invasion and in addition to give official authority to Turkey to be the guarantor of whole Island, including North and South?

All these of GCs supporting solution now or asap must clarify what kind of solution Turkey can accept at the time they have the military power and they are already in North Cyprus- For what reason to accept something worst than this?Any solution must be with one main term (for GCs side) to be better than what we have today, otherwise for what?

I was not referring to the recogntion of the TRNC but the opening of ports would mean Turkey recognizing the "RoC" which it does not, hardly a minor step.

[Get Real!]

The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

This is a fake threat!!!Recognition of NC State. All these who are saying solution now because NC will be recognised must reply to the simple question. Do they want GCs to avoid this recognision by accepting solution plans like Annan? Do Gcs have to officially accept the results of the invasion and in addition to give official authority to Turkey to be the guarantor of whole Island, including North and South?

All these of GCs supporting solution now or asap must clarify what kind of solution Turkey can accept at the time they have the military power and they are already in North Cyprus- For what reason to accept something worst than this?Any solution must be with one main term (for GCs side) to be better than what we have today, otherwise for what?

I was not referring to the recogntion of the TRNC but the opening of ports would mean Turkey recognizing the "RoC" which it does not, hardly a minor step.

The difference between my humor and yours VP is that mine is intentional whereas yours is natural!

[Pyrpolizer]

But here is a question to my GC friends on the forum. If we were given a proposal to have a long lasting peace where everyone's rights were restored and that we would have a True Democracy, and with no outside Guarantors to interfere in Cyprus politics, since we are in the EU now, would you say NO to all this if it meant, that most of the settlers would remain on the island, considering most will remain in the Northern part of Cyprus, specially if we had a BBF system. Will the settlers be a "deal breaker" or can we adjust to live with them, considering the fact, large majority will leave on their own accord anyway. In order for all this to happen, only if Turkey has been given the "Green Light" to enter the EU, so at the end of the day, the whole settlers issue will be nothing but academics, since they will be considered Europeans anyway.

Funny thing Kikapu one of my Tc friends introduced me to one of his friends and he told me he is a Karasakali (this means a settler).But, he said he came here when he was 15, and now he is one of us… Anyway the man was quite educated and worth respect…

The majority of the settlers live in separate areas though and they are backwards.I foresee too many problems social problems if a lot of them stay.

If every true Cypriots rights are restored, and if a number of settlers eventually stay, believe me I will personally not tolerate any abuse on them nor any treatment as if they are second or third class, and I don’t care if that comes from TCs or GCs. I will fight for their rights to be equal citizens. So that we could together work hand in hand and push this society forward.

We do need a society were all people will feel together.

[Pyrpolizer]

The political situation in Turkey is the key to the whole problem. Can that country's determination to hang on to part of Cyprus be reversed? We have seen how unbending the Turks have been with the EU over the ports issue, they even appear to be willing to give up EU membership over that relatively minor issue so how can they be persuaded to give up the occupation? Even the ability of the US is to put pressure on Turkey is questionable now with the recent F16 incidents. I think we will have to wait and see how events evolve in Turkey, and of course a shift in attitude by TPap towards Talat would probably help too.

Recognition of the "RoC" minor?? please think again.

This is a fake threat!!!Recognition of NC State. All these who are saying solution now because NC will be recognised must reply to the simple question. Do they want GCs to avoid this recognision by accepting solution plans like Annan? Do Gcs have to officially accept the results of the invasion and in addition to give official authority to Turkey to be the guarantor of whole Island, including North and South?

All these of GCs supporting solution now or asap must clarify what kind of solution Turkey can accept at the time they have the military power and they are already in North Cyprus- For what reason to accept something worst than this?Any solution must be with one main term (for GCs side) to be better than what we have today, otherwise for what?

I was not referring to the recogntion of the TRNC but the opening of ports would mean Turkey recognizing the "RoC" which it does not, hardly a minor step.

All nonsense. Do you know when exactly Turkey started saying she doesn't recognise the Republic of Cyprus? Was it in 1987? They just did it for internal consumption and some fools think is a big deal.