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So let me get this right what you are saying is settlers who have married a TC or been adopted by TCs can stay the rest have to go...you are not being very clear.

The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

Please try to be clearer in your responses.

I think I was perfectly clear on my answer but I will repeat. Settlers who havnt mixed, should have to go coz they are officially only TRNC cizitens and their 33 years on this island doesnt mean anthing as it is "illegal". Just coz they have been citizens longer doesnt give older citizens more rights. I think it should be clear now... They can ofcourse choose to work in the island and also stay by getting legal permissions such as "permission to work" and "live" etc,... I am aware the settlers who became citizens longer back also became like us the TCs in terms of their culture. However am sorry as this is not "pazarlık", its "law" and we cant change it just coz we dont like it.

So in your opinion only the "RoC" has the right to grant citizenships (which they have to around 40.000 Pontiacs) therefore the majority of settlers will have to go back and we have no rights to grant citizenship? What about the marriages (is this what you mean when you refer to "mixed"? so I am not married to my wife) and births (you are not born) we register or the land (Turkish title deeds) we buy and sell? you have really opened a big can of worms here and you are not even in line with EU norms that anyone permitted to stay in your country for 5 years or more has the right to be assesed for citizenship, you do not even give them that right. What about all the cildren born here to settlers after 1974 will you also send those back? If you say they can stay then do you send their parents back do you split famalies up?

Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay. Imo any settler who has been resident more then 10 years should be allowed to stay, those under this term should be assessed for a residency permitts. They should also be rehoused if living on disputed property which is to be returned. The funding to do this should be met by Turkey.

[gizzy]

So let me get this right what you are saying is settlers who have married a TC or been adopted by TCs can stay the rest have to go...you are not being very clear.

The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

Please try to be clearer in your responses.

I think I was perfectly clear on my answer but I will repeat. Settlers who havnt mixed, should have to go coz they are officially only TRNC cizitens and their 33 years on this island doesnt mean anthing as it is "illegal". Just coz they have been citizens longer doesnt give older citizens more rights. I think it should be clear now... They can ofcourse choose to work in the island and also stay by getting legal permissions such as "permission to work" and "live" etc,... I am aware the settlers who became citizens longer back also became like us the TCs in terms of their culture. However am sorry as this is not "pazarlık", its "law" and we cant change it just coz we dont like it.

So in your opinion only the "RoC" has the right to grant citizenships (which they have to around 40.000 Pontiacs) therefore the majority of settlers will have to go back and we have no rights to grant citizenship? What about the marriages (is this what you mean when you refer to "mixed"? so I am not married to my wife) and births (you are not born) we register or the land (Turkish title deeds) we buy and sell? you have really opened a big can of worms here and you are not even in line with EU norms that anyone permitted to stay in your country for 5 years or more has the right to be assesed for citizenship, you do not even give them that right. What about all the cildren born here to settlers after 1974 will you also send those back? If you say they can stay then do you send their parents back do you split famalies up?

Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay. Imo any settler who has been resident more then 10 years should be allowed to stay, those under this term should be assessed for a residency permitts. They should also be rehoused if living on disputed property which is to be returned. The funding to do this should be met by Turkey.

I already said...This is not "pazarlık" but its "law" and we cant change it just coz we dont like it... Lets give another example that we cannot change: TRNC is not recognized and we have un-humane ambargoes. Why? Coz we are not legal, we are pirates! Whether we like it or not!!!!
!This is LAW and we are not picking up vegetables from a market, you cant argue on some prizes!

[DT.]

Hello again gizzy,

I agree with you people are not guilty of anything, most settlers came here just to get free land. I am wondering whether there are still settlers coming here getting free land.Can anyone supply this information?

Imo the matter of settlers is a crime performed by Governments.Turkey is responsible for the settlers in the northern part and Turkey should provide the remedy and costs involved for those people.

On the other hand the RoC imported a lot of Pontians, thank God nobody got citizenship so far, but imo all these people should go back after Cyprus is United and Greece should undertake all expenses for them going back to Greece or to Russia were they came from. Most of them came from near the black sea you know, and they speak Turkish along with Greek and Russian!

What!!! were we gonna get new construction workers from? You no damn well no cypriot accepts blue collar work anymore

[humanist]

gizzy, thank you for taking the time to create such a great table, however I am affraid to say that with the current political climate on both sides of the divide I doubt that there will ever be a united Cyprus .... sadly your graph and effort are not necessary.

[Rain]

Caribbean Pirates 4 coming soon

[Jerry]

VP wrote:-
The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

VP your hypocrisy is unbelievable. What about the GCs who had lived there for 33 years before 1974 - what about their rights?

VP wrote:-
Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay

Bloody hypocrite, what about the inhumane cruel approach of the Turkish forces that threw out the inhabitants in the occupied areas; people who had built their lives there for centuries.

The GCs have a legal right to their land (as do TCs in the south) and that right is greater than any settlers. Turkey commited a crime in sending them to the island, she should take them back and pay them compensation.

[Viewpoint]

VP wrote:-
The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

VP your hypocrisy is unbelievable. What about the GCs who had lived there for 33 years before 1974 - what about their rights?

VP wrote:-
Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay

Bloody hypocrite, what about the inhumane cruel approach of the Turkish forces that threw out the inhabitants in the occupied areas; people who had built their lives there for centuries.

The GCs have a legal right to their land (as do TCs in the south) and that right is greater than any settlers. Turkey commited a crime in sending them to the island, she should take them back and pay them compensation.

This thread is to do with settlers and not refugees which I also feel shoudl be dealt with fairly by allowing them the right to return or compensation.

[Jerry]

VP wrote:-
The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

VP your hypocrisy is unbelievable. What about the GCs who had lived there for 33 years before 1974 - what about their rights?

VP wrote:-
Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay

Bloody hypocrite, what about the inhumane cruel approach of the Turkish forces that threw out the inhabitants in the occupied areas; people who had built their lives there for centuries.

The GCs have a legal right to their land (as do TCs in the south) and that right is greater than any settlers. Turkey commited a crime in sending them to the island, she should take them back and pay them compensation.

This thread is to do with settlers and not refugees which I also feel shoudl be dealt with fairly by allowing them the right to return or compensation.

I reckon your stuck for words VP, so you say I'm off thread- god knows how many times you have done that - would you like me to analyse your posts.

Are you honestly saying that GCs have the right to return, because if they all came back - well I think even you could work that one out!

[Kikapu]

VP wrote:-
The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

VP your hypocrisy is unbelievable. What about the GCs who had lived there for 33 years before 1974 - what about their rights?

VP wrote:-
Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay

Bloody hypocrite, what about the inhumane cruel approach of the Turkish forces that threw out the inhabitants in the occupied areas; people who had built their lives there for centuries.

The GCs have a legal right to their land (as do TCs in the south) and that right is greater than any settlers. Turkey commited a crime in sending them to the island, she should take them back and pay them compensation.

I agree with all you said, plus let us not forget, that the settlers were not forced to come to Cyprus. They were not dragged by their feet onto boats, heading to Cyprus, and forced to take FREE stolen land. It was more like, "hey you Gypsies, how would you like to get some free land that we stole from the GC's" which the answer was more than likely was something like this " when does the next boat leave to the "promised land" of the FREE LAND.

Partitionist want the settlers for various reasons, which are

a) To justify Turkeys presence on the island.
b) Give the "Bigger thieves of GC land, the Partitionist" slave labour to work in the fields.
c) Settlers create a good "buffer zone" of no settlement, which is the liking by some of the Scavenger Partitionist.
d) The more foreigners buying, stealing GC land, working and living in the "TRNC", the more difficult settlement will be, which is the liking of all the Partitionist.

In actual reality, there's plenty of room for everyone to live in a United Cyprus, but I doubt if any settlers will remain on the island, if they can't keep their Stolen Properties from the GC's and now will have to pay for their own accommodation. Hell, it is much cheaper to move back to Turkey.

Same can also be said to those who moved to the "TRNC" who bought cheap stolen GC land. They will not want to stay either, who will be branded as "profiteers" on the "skin" of others. They will all go to their respected countries.

Most will leave, because they Hate the GC's, and will not even entertain the idea, of building a country together, which is why I support a Federal System of a Country and Government, much like the USA, to have Two separate States, within One Country of Cyprus.

Settlers are an issue, but those issues will take care of themselves in a "natural fashion" when the reality of New Cyprus hits them, but there is plenty room for them if they want to stay and live like the rest of Cypriots, within the Laws of Cyprus and not the Laws of a Corrupt State of the "TRNC".

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So let me get this right what you are saying is settlers who have married a TC or been adopted by TCs can stay the rest have to go...you are not being very clear.

The settlers who have lived here for 33 years also has to leave even though he has children born here? according to you those children also have to go??

Please try to be clearer in your responses.

I think I was perfectly clear on my answer but I will repeat. Settlers who havnt mixed, should have to go coz they are officially only TRNC cizitens and their 33 years on this island doesnt mean anthing as it is "illegal". Just coz they have been citizens longer doesnt give older citizens more rights. I think it should be clear now... They can ofcourse choose to work in the island and also stay by getting legal permissions such as "permission to work" and "live" etc,... I am aware the settlers who became citizens longer back also became like us the TCs in terms of their culture. However am sorry as this is not "pazarlık", its "law" and we cant change it just coz we dont like it.

So in your opinion only the "RoC" has the right to grant citizenships (which they have to around 40.000 Pontiacs) therefore the majority of settlers will have to go back and we have no rights to grant citizenship? What about the marriages (is this what you mean when you refer to "mixed"? so I am not married to my wife) and births (you are not born) we register or the land (Turkish title deeds) we buy and sell? you have really opened a big can of worms here and you are not even in line with EU norms that anyone permitted to stay in your country for 5 years or more has the right to be assesed for citizenship, you do not even give them that right. What about all the cildren born here to settlers after 1974 will you also send those back? If you say they can stay then do you send their parents back do you split famalies up?

Your approach is not only inhumane but cruel, settlers have built their lives here they should also have the right to stay. Imo any settler who has been resident more then 10 years should be allowed to stay, those under this term should be assessed for a residency permitts. They should also be rehoused if living on disputed property which is to be returned. The funding to do this should be met by Turkey.

I already said...This is not "pazarlık" but its "law" and we cant change it just coz we dont like it... Lets give another example that we cannot change: TRNC is not recognized and we have un-humane ambargoes. Why? Coz we are not legal, we are pirates! Whether we like it or not!!!!
!This is LAW and we are not picking up vegetables from a market, you cant argue on some prizes!

You have to realize that its because law and order broke down back in 1963-1974 that we are where we are today, the whole dynamics changed and will continue to change until or if a solution is found. These people have to be dealt with humanely and the AP sheds light on what is acceptable to the international community which is that a certain number will be allowed to stay so why not adopt the EU laws which you seem to favor as dont forget the law in 1960 also gave the not only the GC rights but also TCs, seeing we are a part of Cyprus, the north part we to have rights to live our lives and rule ourselves, life does not stop while this dispute continues. You may have given this right to the GCs but you remain in the north, if you feel so strongly about the TRNC being "Pirates of the Mediterranean" you are free to leave tomorrow and move to the "lawful" GC state in the south. We TCs who feel that the TRNC is worth fighting for will continue as long as we feel that there is no light at the end of the tunnel in relation to agreeing a solution with GCs, if they have the right to say NO so do we until they come to their senses and understand that we are equal partners and compromise accordingly..

The best you can expect is to adopt EU cirteria with regards to settlers so it apears you have purchased bananas rather than apples form the market If the citizenships we have granted are illegal then what have you to say about the GCs who have also granted "RoC" citizenships to thousands of Russians and Pontiac Greeks do you support that we send all these people back as well? or are they have that right but we do not. In that case what about all the other state births marriages education diplomas, if we were so illegal your education documentation would not have been accepted by Cardiff university, your birth certificate would not have been accepted by the "RoC" you appear to accept the TRNC when it suits your aims and not when it serves your thesis. Everything in real life is not black and white in order to solve problems you have show flexiblity and compromise (pazarlik) which neither side does over the Cyprus issue thats why imo there will never be a solution and the current status quo will continue for a very very long time.