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Postby zan » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:41 pm

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LENA wrote:Thank for your good words pantheman and DT...and yes pantheman I do expect from VP to reply back. Always my pleasure to disagree with him


Zan...I am fed up with articles all over...really if you have something to say then say it with your own words...thank you but i do have a lot of work to do with my dissertation dont want extra reading. But thank you for the article and generally


It's not just an article Lena, it is the actual speech made by Makarios. I can try to find the link in which you can hear the man himself speaking those words but it will not change I promise you. If there is one speech that can show you what was happening at the time then there can be no argument that that one is the ultimate.


Thank you if not I will have to read it since you consider it so important. But I do find articles here quite boring....I prefer people to write what they thing with their own words or just small quotes.


You would not want me to put words into Makarios' mouth now would you... :lol: :lol:
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Postby LENA » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:47 pm

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LENA wrote:Thank for your good words pantheman and DT...and yes pantheman I do expect from VP to reply back. Always my pleasure to disagree with him


Zan...I am fed up with articles all over...really if you have something to say then say it with your own words...thank you but i do have a lot of work to do with my dissertation dont want extra reading. But thank you for the article and generally


It's not just an article Lena, it is the actual speech made by Makarios. I can try to find the link in which you can hear the man himself speaking those words but it will not change I promise you. If there is one speech that can show you what was happening at the time then there can be no argument that that one is the ultimate.


Thank you if not I will have to read it since you consider it so important. But I do find articles here quite boring....I prefer people to write what they thing with their own words or just small quotes.


You would not want me to put words into Makarios' mouth now would you... :lol: :lol:


Erm no no ...keep your words away from his mouth...especially if you are moody :wink:

Come on where is my link....I am bored to read... :roll:
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:51 pm

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LENA wrote:Thank for your good words pantheman and DT...and yes pantheman I do expect from VP to reply back. Always my pleasure to disagree with him


Zan...I am fed up with articles all over...really if you have something to say then say it with your own words...thank you but i do have a lot of work to do with my dissertation dont want extra reading. But thank you for the article and generally


It's not just an article Lena, it is the actual speech made by Makarios. I can try to find the link in which you can hear the man himself speaking those words but it will not change I promise you. If there is one speech that can show you what was happening at the time then there can be no argument that that one is the ultimate.


Thank you if not I will have to read it since you consider it so important. But I do find articles here quite boring....I prefer people to write what they thing with their own words or just small quotes.


You would not want me to put words into Makarios' mouth now would you... :lol: :lol:


Erm no no ...keep your words away from his mouth...especially if you are moody :wink:

Come on where is my link....I am bored to read... :roll:


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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:54 pm

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LENA wrote:Thank for your good words pantheman and DT...and yes pantheman I do expect from VP to reply back. Always my pleasure to disagree with him


Zan...I am fed up with articles all over...really if you have something to say then say it with your own words...thank you but i do have a lot of work to do with my dissertation dont want extra reading. But thank you for the article and generally


It's not just an article Lena, it is the actual speech made by Makarios. I can try to find the link in which you can hear the man himself speaking those words but it will not change I promise you. If there is one speech that can show you what was happening at the time then there can be no argument that that one is the ultimate.


Zan have you not learnt GCs block these articles out and even if they read them they continue by making lame excuses and trying to make out it never happened or it was never said, typical.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:55 pm

LENA wrote:Sorry for the delay... :oops: :oops: :oops:

Anyway here it is...


VP can you tell me what is exactly the political equality for you??? And what exactly the TC are afraid from GC???

By the way I heard in the news that the boy and the rest of his family and friends were taken outside a church not in a military area...unless you consider the whole occupied area as military area. As for the flag you must be joking ...first of all are the Turks who did that and I doubt if they ask any TC for that. It’s there to remind us that Turkey invaded Cyprus to occupy the island and not rescue anybody...and if a show makes you feel better then i wont say anything more about it. But try to be a GC that lost his father and brother saw killing his mum in front of his eyes and his sister to be raped and then for the rest of his life have to see that flag up there...well i dont think that the message is clear to him...is more like you remind him those days every day ...every single min that he is out there in the streets of Nicosia.

The rape is sickness you said and that you will never use it to prove anything or using them for further arguments. Killing people ...killing babies is not sick? Why you use that? Make people suffer and threaded them is not sick? Why you use that? Something is not right here VP.

True we do have military pact with Greece in Cyprus but its so small. And comparing with the military force from Turkey....is nothing. But once i will agree with you 100% !! I dont think either that they will come to rescue us in that case...and yes it was going to be stupidity to do something like that.

But I will never consider myself safe with the Turkish army all around me...I am not sure how YOU will protect me since you dont even want to see me :wink: :lol:

The military force you have there is huge and unnecessary since nobody from us killed any TC since all the check points were created. And of course we dont have the military as a show...power show...but you can feel safe with the police...not army...do you see the difference between my safety and yours? How am I ever going to feel safe with all this guns around me? It’s like i will think twice to breath in case they consider it as offensive towards them and will take me to prison or show me the gun from a very close point of view.


As for the part that you didnt understand....well you always say that is not right to have bigger part of the island...is not right to have more politicians in the government etc...that’s why I called you big fun of the law... but only when it comes to yourself....we dont have rights we dont have laws we dont have anything? Well no the right thing is to have a percentage of TC in the government every law will be applicable for the TC and the GC and the Armenian and the British and every human being that live on the island. According to your words you are the poor guys that suffer...we are the one who break the laws...you are the one who have rights...you are the only one who suffer....your world is only a huge YOU...benefits...and lots of imagination and lies. You dont want to see our side. You dont want to put yourself in our position. What makes you angry is the fact that we moved on? Is it the fact that we manage to come though the difficulties and build again our lives?

You are wrong VP…I dont want to cut pizza into slices....I want it as a whole and i want to share it as it is...I like to pick a bit there and bit of elsewhere. You force me to have a piece. Well i dont dream my relationship with you like that. I want you to take the pizza and feed me and i will take the pizza and feed you...we will sit next to each other and share it as a whole. I dot want slices

Why we should share the island since we will have common administration? The difference will be the people? That is silly why we cannot find a common administrative system and not dived the island? Why should somebody force you to do something against your will...thats why we have democracy.

Yes I said that our side wanted ENOSIS and your side wanted TAKSIM....those are fact ....but we are not talking about defeat and wining...do you think that all this years we were playing tavli? VP we are talking about human’s lives and we are talking about an island. You present us like we lost ...you defeated us...and now we come to beg for your mercy. No ...since you said we achieve what we wanted...ENOSIS even through EU...why should we think of you? We have a well recognized republic, we are members of EU, we have a good economy, we have tourist etc...why we want you by our side since we are «defeated» as you put it but according to me...we overcome our pain and we forgive and we extend our hands to you

Yes I did read your post and yes you did admit that is your disgrace when it comes to those rapes....but I was talking about the Turks...do you consider yourself a pure Turk? My point is that you keep going with that story with the rape woman when there is no rape...people use to tell me to face reality ... well the reality is that there was no rape as you put it. We both suffer and we both been emotionally and mentally raped. Dont take us out of this. As for the rapes that happened towards TC well I am sorry if those are true but i never heard anything like that. Accept that I cannot take your word as a fact.

As for the workers ...well never heard about a graduate of a University that works as a worker in the construction areas. And since you admit that is your fault that you cannot give to those people a job then why its our fault that we give them the jobs and we offer them the opportunity to survive and provide the necessaries to their families while you turn your back to them? Why should be mercy and not kindness, compassion....with mercy you make it sound like we feel pity for them and we do not treat them as human beings. I wont accept that since I saw very close that this is not true. As for your comment that not all employers are angels...yes nowhere are. I guess among the workers you will find unsatisfied and among the employers you will find bad people...that has nothing to do being TC and being GC but that has to do with characters.

We are both humans but dont ignore the fact that I am over weighted and I cannot feed into the same space as you. I never said that you are not allowed to sit on the same couch with me...just that I need more space and we will both be able to watch tv...I didnt say that we will watch the channel that I want we will both decide on that....but I will take the bigger part of the couch...why you are so bothered that I am so big?? It’s not going to change your whole style of life if I take most of the couch and eat most of the pizza...you will be full and you will rest like I will. As for the safeguard...well I dont think killing people and arresting people all the time show how safe we are with the army around us.


Lena thank you for the response..I will respond asap.
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Postby LENA » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:00 am

Hurry up Zan or else i will call the green monster to come out for you. :lol:

VP I am disappointed .... last time you needed less than an hour...anyway is late i will let you go for now. (kidding) By the way...I proved you that not all GC has the same attitude towards TC and some of us do admit the mistakes and what the truth is.
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Postby zan » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:03 am

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LENA wrote:Thank for your good words pantheman and DT...and yes pantheman I do expect from VP to reply back. Always my pleasure to disagree with him


Zan...I am fed up with articles all over...really if you have something to say then say it with your own words...thank you but i do have a lot of work to do with my dissertation dont want extra reading. But thank you for the article and generally


It's not just an article Lena, it is the actual speech made by Makarios. I can try to find the link in which you can hear the man himself speaking those words but it will not change I promise you. If there is one speech that can show you what was happening at the time then there can be no argument that that one is the ultimate.


Zan have you not learnt GCs block these articles out and even if they read them they continue by making lame excuses and trying to make out it never happened or it was never said, typical.




I will not give up VP. It seems that Lena has not even seen it before....Bad "RoC' bad....





Here it is Lena and others that might not have heard Makarios' voice.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... peech.html
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Postby LENA » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:09 am

Zan i didnt even read the title...I read the red line and that about it. Thanks for the link...we are all familiar with Makarios voice....trust me on that. :?

Thank you I will come back later with comments...
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Postby zan » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:21 am

LENA wrote:Zan i didnt even read the title...I read the red line and that about it. Thanks for the link...we are all familiar with Makarios voice....trust me on that. :?

Thank you I will come back later with comments...


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Postby Chimera » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:44 am

Thanks Zanathustra for posting the link, but I can't get the voice activated.

However, I have a warm glow inside just seeing His picture, in those black robes.....

The memory of kissing that soft, gentle hand that "ne'er do any harm, to man nor beast". :)
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