Yes VP I do get emotional and I do find it difficult to separate a rape towards a woman or a child a teenager or an elder woman. And you know why? Because I am a woman and I personally try to put myself into their position so I can understand them. Well and imaginary rape doesnt make me any different because I know that is only imaginary...a real rape is a rape...which cause lots of pain ... and you are actually dead inside and outside after a rape....I am amazed with the strength of those women that found the courage to move on with their lives even after they had to kill a baby that came from a rape.
I agree totally, You were trying to understand why TCs cannot trust GCs without safeguards and why we want to live in our own designated area. The rape analogy was to try and get accross to you was the extent of emotional damage that occured in TCs during 1963 to 1974...they still bare the scares today just like GCs do with 1974...Maybe being the recognized part of Cyprus has helped your people recover and forgive much faster than ours...we still do not trust GCs and the majority of TCs will not move form their desire to see a solution via BBF and political equality.
I actually didnt hear about any rape towards TC but yes I did hear about killings humiliation etc...so the story of the raped woman doesnt make any sense to my ears. It is a fairy tale and very bad one. VP...try once to put yourself into our position...just once. You talk about safeguard....what about us...what about our need for safety...we didnt ask from Greece to help us and invade Cyprus, Greece doesnt occupy the island and kill every now and then TC, they dont take into prison young children because they were holding a camera, they didnt send you away from home and draw their flag on the mountains with small lights turning the mountains and the whole issue into a show...should I go on?
VP...what is your job by the way? Go back and read again the above. He was a 13 years old boy who came from Australia to see his parent’s land…are we serious here? Military area the church area??
By the way do you admit with the above statement that is dangerous to walk around in the North? Do you believe that there are ad people with guns? Do you say that we should watch our back when we are there? Nice hole you are digging VP....really nice and shinny. Keep on the good work.
TCs would never publically admit to rape as it is seen a bad stain on a families honour and a girl that has been raped and tells the authorities will find it hard to find a partner who will accept her tragic misfortune. Sad but a fact especially in 1974 when TCs famalies were more conservative and judgemental. So you would not hear about the rapes that happened to our females, this does not mean that did not happen...unlike others we do not believe in using these sickening acts to further our arguements are right.
You always believed Greece would save you from the big bad Turkey if things should go wrong, even today you have military pacts with Greece whom you think are a match for Turkeys miltary might...I still dont feel they would come to your rescue if you should do anything stupid like taking miltary action against Turkey.
You have taken steps to counter the threat you feel from Turkey by joining the EU, why is it that you deny us this right?
There are miltary zones in every country and people are warned not to enter these for their own safety be they 5yo or 90yo you have to adhere to the laws of the lad you visit. You cliamthis child was put in prison, do you really feel we would put a child in prision they we all detained its very unlikely the adult would be detained and the child let out on its own to fen for itself. Untill the statements were taken the whole family were detained and then released..this is nothing unusal and standard pratice all over the world where there are miltary zones with miltary presence.
The flag is there as a reminder that we TCs are a part of Cyprus and we will never go away...as long as you continue with your current policies the TRNC will continue to exsist despite your closing your eyes to this reality.
Dont worry about safety in the north we have 40.000 soldiers protecting us, they together with our police force will ensure your protection and safety...plus as long as I am here you will be safe.
Dont you also have soldiers (20.000 regulars 100.000 armed reservists) and police protecting us when we go south?
Is that a walts ...chifteteli or what? Too many turns. I dont want to camouflage anything. You are the one who keep doing this. VP...i said that GC didnt treated you with the best way...you dont admit that TC harm GC as well. I said that Turkey killed raped kick out people invaded Cyprus...which are all facts. You say that Turkey save you. You were the excuse not the plan. Do you understand the difference. I admit that TC felt fear then thats why they call Turkey...but you dont admit that we feel fear all this years with the Turkish army pointing at us and even shooting us.
If you play with a bomb you must understand their are great risks...GCs took those risks and lost, paying the price heavily. Imo our actions were those of people trying to protect themselves against a numerically stronger and aggresive GC population whos actions threatened the exsistence of the weaker TCs...they were reactionary not proactive like the GCs towards their ultimate goal of enosis which they even today beleive was their god given right although they signed a partnership agreement with the TCs.
As to your arguement that we were the excuse not the plan when Turkey took action..well all I can say is thank god they took action when they did as it was my community that felt the fear and smell of annialation at the hands of crazed Greeks and GCs.
You are such a fun of the laws and the right....but only when it comes to your self....we dont have rights we dont have laws we dont have anything. You are the poor guy that suffer...we are the one who break the laws...you are the one who have rights...you are the only one who suffer...YOU YOU YOU....your world is only a huge YOU...benefits...and lots of imagination and lies.
I dont really understand the above and what you are saying but its you people that always accuse us of being lawless and thieves of our own country.
Really??? Thank you...you are so kind ...I do appreciate that
VP....just from curiosity which part you want from the pizza? Which part do you let me have? I like mushrooms on it please...You want to live where you are...in GC lands...you want all the rights all the benefits...you want your laws...you want our laws...you want EE...you want Turkey by your side...you want money...you want ...you want ...you want....again this YOU world.
We can have the top 3.7 slices and you can have the bottom 6.3 slices. The whole pizza has mushrooms so dont worry you have your share but as far as I can see you want your 6.3 and my 3.7 as well, isnt that being greedy? Dont you want all those things as well? All we want is to share the island whereby there are 2 parts the north administered by TC and the south admnistered by GCs where everyone can go and live where they want, where both sides have the same rights as each other and one cannot control the other or force the other to do something against their will.
Did I ever mention that i want you or us become part of Greece? I only said that we have our background form Greece...and you have your background from Turkey. I never said that i want myself become Greek and for sure not you. I want ONE Cyprus...united and with all the people in peace.
This was the GC dream of your elders and the fight was enosis vs taksim, the fact that you now claim your people have changed their tune after defeat and seeing that we will not be brushed to one side is a positive move if presume you are sincere as to a certain extent you have achieved enosis via the EU.
SOOOOOOOOOOO we do we get the blame for that as well? We give you jobs that you dont have...but we are still the bad guys here. By the way...job is a job...if you are politician or a street cleaner... we all do our jobs...did anybody came to us and said I have this degrees and we said ok yes...keep them into your wall and come to be my slave??? VP are you kidding me...we are very educated people. You need to have just a master degree to teach in a University...we need to have a PhD and experience and lost of other bullshits...we get a master degree in economics and we are just keeping books for some small companies...all the workers that works South dont even speak English...and i dont think that any of those are not happy or they have been under our mercy or we treated them bad. I have family members that works with TC workers and they need to pick them up from the check point, get them breakfast lunch...drinks...drive them back to the check point... the money are quite ok...so I dont understand where the mercy thing comes from.
Lena did you read my previous post? I clearly stated this is our disgrace not yours, the sad fact is these people cannot find jobs in the north and go south and the only areas they can be employed is on construction sites. Many are university graduates and filling in the jobs that would normally be given to other migrant workers like Sri Lankens, Indians Kurds etc. The mercy is that they have no choice and are at the mercy of GC employers who could refuse them employment or treat them with comtempt and hatred, not all emploers are angels.
Never said that i will not give you space in the coach but you have to understand that i will probably get more space since I have a big ass...and I can not sit in the same space you can...but is not because i dont want you to have the same us me is because i just can not feed in that space.
You still miss the point...are we not both humans? therefore equals? The fact that you are larger doent not give you the right to torture me or use your size to take decisions that will effect only me negatively...do you now understand what I am saying..we need safeguards to ensure this does not happen.
