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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:12 am

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Lena its simple really were TCs better off during 1960 to 1974 when we were living with GCs? or has the period 1974 to 2007 been better for TCs? The raped woman never wants to return to her rapist, and tries to move on with her life which is exactly what we have done.


Of course the same "raped woman" proverb can always be said from the part of the GCs regarding the 300 years of Turkish domination and the tens of thousands of people that have passed from the Turkish knife or have died from the hardships, mistreatment, poverty and starvation. The same can also be said from the part of the Kurdish people and other minorities in Turkey, etc, etc.

No VP, if you ineed feel like you are the "raped woman" and the GCs the "rapist," we do not want you to return back to your "rapist" either! Just return to the GCs all the extra territory and properties that you are illegitimately occupying, and keep only a part proportional to the 1974 or 1960 population demographics, and go and get "married" with whomever you want! On our part, we will build a 10 meter high wall along the boarder, so that we do not see each other's faces again, and to also hopefully forget about that part of our country. Enough time and energy have been wasted all these years in arguing with each other!


Despite the raped women here and there..no wall is alloved to build anymore but only bridges .. I warn You, Kifea :twisted:


But Karma, how would you like it to be compelled to be seeing your rapists face every day? Are you a pervert masochist? I am just offering to the “raped” by us TCs a way to overcome the psychological traumas that we caused them, and for us to forget that lost part of our historical homeland!


I agree with Kifeas here.
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Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:19 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Lena its simple really were TCs better off during 1960 to 1974 when we were living with GCs? or has the period 1974 to 2007 been better for TCs? The raped woman never wants to return to her rapist, and tries to move on with her life which is exactly what we have done.


Of course the same "raped woman" proverb can always be said from the part of the GCs regarding the 300 years of Turkish domination and the tens of thousands of people that have passed from the Turkish knife or have died from the hardships, mistreatment, poverty and starvation. The same can also be said from the part of the Kurdish people and other minorities in Turkey, etc, etc.

No VP, if you ineed feel like you are the "raped woman" and the GCs the "rapist," we do not want you to return back to your "rapist" either! Just return to the GCs all the extra territory and properties that you are illegitimately occupying, and keep only a part proportional to the 1974 or 1960 population demographics, and go and get "married" with whomever you want! On our part, we will build a 10 meter high wall along the boarder, so that we do not see each other's faces again, and to also hopefully forget about that part of our country. Enough time and energy have been wasted all these years in arguing with each other!


Despite the raped women here and there..no wall is alloved to build anymore but only bridges .. I warn You, Kifea :twisted:


But Karma, how would you like it to be compelled to be seeing your rapists face every day? Are you a pervert masochist? I am just offering to the “raped” by us TCs a way to overcome the psychological traumas that we caused them, and for us to forget that lost part of our historical homeland!


I agree with Kifeas here.


So do I! Just a slite adjustment on %'s and we are there. Yasasin Kifeas....
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:56 am

Here you go Kifeas with your wise ideas.
I told you before ask for partition and you will be lucky if you can even retain what is left.
It is THEM that have to propose partition so that we prepare their doomsday, NOT US.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:16 am

zan wrote:So you are the one that actually enjoyed being raped and want to go back for more. I think there is a name for women that keep going back for more and think that the rapisst realy loves them and will change his ways. I just can't think of it at the moment???


Therefore Zan, in your point of view, any TC that goes to the South for shopping or for work, as thousands do every day, must all be "whores" or loves to be "raped". Talk about insulting thousands of TC's every day with your mindset and logic.!!

You and VP have a strange way of "connecting the dots".

Perhaps you two are into rape, who knows.???
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Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:31 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:So you are the one that actually enjoyed being raped and want to go back for more. I think there is a name for women that keep going back for more and think that the rapisst realy loves them and will change his ways. I just can't think of it at the moment???


Therefore Zan, in your point of view, any TC that goes to the South for shopping or for work, as thousands do every day, must all be "whores" or loves to be "raped". Talk about insulting thousands of TC's every day with your mindset and logic.!!

You and VP have a strange way of "connecting the dots".

Perhaps you two are into rape, who knows.???



Mine was a tongue in cheek stab at you Kiks but remind us again what you called the TCs about the property issue..........If you think that I am going to take this rape thing seriously after Kifeas' and Pyros' contributions then.......... :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby free_cyprus » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:09 am

when i mention the words raped murdered ect ect by former invaders and accupiers of cyprus throu out history every one in the forum jumps up and down saying this did nto happen, and yet three thousand years dwon the line here and now today people are saying it happent in the pressent day or recenty history and yet today education far exxeeds knowladge of several thousand years ago when people were far more barbaric............. right i have said my peace
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Postby halil » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:38 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:So you are the one that actually enjoyed being raped and want to go back for more. I think there is a name for women that keep going back for more and think that the rapisst realy loves them and will change his ways. I just can't think of it at the moment???


Therefore Zan, in your point of view, any TC that goes to the South for shopping or for work, as thousands do every day, must all be "whores" or loves to be "raped". Talk about insulting thousands of TC's every day with your mindset and logic.!!

You and VP have a strange way of "connecting the dots".

Perhaps you two are into rape, who knows.???



Kikapu,
what do u or our Greek Cypriots friends thinks when the Greek Cypriots
that goes to the North for shopping or Doing holidays are they "whores'' or what else they are......
why u are always thinking negative about north ? U said u were going to ask me questions i guessed now about your questions .....
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Postby halil » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:43 am

Lena ,
what do u want to tell about this statement İ did not understand '' Halil if I am not wrong he said the same thing.Not all TC see things like you see them. "Turkey is great and loves you and treat you in the best way , we raped you and hate you and .........'' please open it !!!!!!
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Postby bigOz » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:08 am

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LENA wrote:Thank you Big OZ...would you be kind enough to give me the link you found those please...I need more. A lot more...that doesnt say anything to me.

Halil what KARAPENCE is? Will be easy to find a history book that write all this stuff inside in English?

Lena there is no need for in depth explanation of what KATAK's purpose was for. It was an organisation set up to represent politically the ethnic Turkish Minority in those times. It was not a terrorist organization of any kind but a political. You can read further details about the events of the time and KATAK in this independent source:

http://www.emu.edu.tr/English/ingeneral ... rising.htm


Thanks Big Oz...well as I said that was not a political statement it was just from curiosity and because I want to learn more for the Turkish part in Cyprus. Since it was a political issue and most of the Turkish speaking members are checking this section first I post it here. But you are right from what I found out it was not a terrorist organization but a political one. But why separated organization for the Turkish speaking Cypriots. Did they had problems back then as well? Did they want to separate themselves? What were the reasons to establish that organization?

Lena, if you patiently read the following from the same quote, the answer to your question is in there - namely the problem was the desire for ENOSIS by GCs, provoked by and coupled with Greece's desire to annex Cyprus with Greece:
Enosis Campaign Resumed
Towards the end of the Second World War, enosis campaign had become once more the main topic of the Cypriot politics. On 31 March 1943 Lord Faringdon stated in the House of Lords that, Greece is not truly the mother of the Cypriots... and it is also a country from which they could obtain no possible advantage.
(Hansard, H/L Debate, ad 126 cols 1023-45)

While the Greeks protested Lord Faringdon's insults, the Turkish Cypriots sent telegrams to London protesting against any proposals for self-government or union with Greece.
(The Times, 17 April 1943)

Greek Refugees

Meanwhile Cyprus had become a safe place of Greek refugees from the Aegean islands invaded by Germany. It was estimated that during the last 3 years of the war around 12,000 Greek refugees arrived in Cyprus and were settled in special camps and lodgings provided by the government and Cyprus Mines Corporation. Many of them remained and settled in Cyprus after the war was over.

Prelude To Disorder and Violence

On 23 August 1946, the office of Bishop of Paphos -the Locum-tenens, had sent a cable to the British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin and the Greek Prime Minister Tsaldaris, asking that the question of Union with Greece should be raised at the Paris Peace Conference.
(The Times, 24 August 1946)

Following this cable, the Bishop of Paphos headed a Greek Cypriot delegation to London in November 1946. The Turkish Cypriot people, who formed in 1943 their political organization, KATAK, was closely following the Greek Cypriot political activities, concerning the future of Cyprus. But when the Colonial Office assured them that the interests of Turkish Cypriots would be safeguarded they declined from going to London to challenge the Bishop of Paphos and Instead, Fadil N. Korkut the chairman of KATAK sent a cable to the Colonial Office protesting Enosis demands. In an interview with Picture Post he also explained the Turkish Cypriot point of view.

Turkish Cypriots did not believe that the British would leave the island. But they stressed that if Britain decided to leave, Cyprus should go back to Turkey, its previous owner and nearest neighbour. Turkey was, after all, in a better position than any other neighbour to defend Cyprus.
(Hill, op. cit. p. 564)

Enosis Resolution Of The Greek Parliament
On 28 February 1947 the Greek parliament unanimously moved a resolution approving the call for union of Cyprus with Greece. This enosis resolution was as follows:
"The time has come for the settlement of the sacred national claim of the union of Cyprus to Greece. The Greek National Assembly appeals to the noble and gallant people of Great Britain, expressing the conviction that this claim will be fully satisfied."
(Times, 1 March 1947)

Efforts For a New Constitution
In early 1947 all was set for a fresh attempt to start new efforts to introduce a new constitution providing self-rule in Cyprus.

Lord Winster's Mission
The British Labour government appointed a Labour peer, Lord Winster, early in 1947, as the Governor of Cyprus with a special mission to form a consultative Assembly of leading Cypriot representatives to work for a new constitution based on self-rule. But the hope and opportunity for achieving self-rule was rejected by Ethnarchia, from the first day it was proposed and consequently a real chance to develop the preliminary stages leading to independence was lost.

Consultative Assembly and The Proposals

The left wing Greek Cypriot representatives and the Turkish Cypriots accepted to participate in the works of the Consultative Assembly formed to consider the new constitution. The opening ceremony of the Consultative Assembly took place on the first day of November 1947 under the chairmanship of Sir Edward Jackson, the Chief Justice. Rauf R. Denktas, who had just returned from London where he was called to the Bar and had started to practice as a lawyer in Cyprus was nominated to act as the spokesman and Secretary of the Turkish group. On 7 November the chairman explained the outlines of the proposed constitution.

Failure
The Greek Cypriot representatives who were under constant attack and severe criticism directed by the nationalists and the Church, had to reject the British proposals in order not to be branded as traitors yet again. The Archbishop and the Greek right wing organizations denounced the proposals and the leftists renewed their objections and withdrew from the Assembly on 20 May 1948. Lord Winster, first adjourned the Assembly sine die and later on 12 August he dissolved it stating that the offers would remain open for consideration if any reasonable and fully representative leaders come forward to re-examine the proposals for the purpose of their implementation. He also re-affirmed that no change in the status of Cyprus and its sovereignty was contemplated. Thus a step forward which would certainly lead, through evolution of self-rule, to independence was not taken.

Almost half a century later, some of the leading leftists who participated in the Consultative Assembly and particularly Andreas Phantis, a prominent leftist trade unionist admitted regretfully that by rejecting the British proposals in 1948, the Greek Cypriots had missed the first real opportunity to realize, in a gradual and smooth way, their ultimate goal.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:24 pm

halil wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:So you are the one that actually enjoyed being raped and want to go back for more. I think there is a name for women that keep going back for more and think that the rapisst realy loves them and will change his ways. I just can't think of it at the moment???


Therefore Zan, in your point of view, any TC that goes to the South for shopping or for work, as thousands do every day, must all be "whores" or loves to be "raped". Talk about insulting thousands of TC's every day with your mindset and logic.!!

You and VP have a strange way of "connecting the dots".

Perhaps you two are into rape, who knows.???





Kikapu,
what do u or our Greek Cypriots friends thinks when the Greek Cypriots
that goes to the North for shopping or Doing holidays are they "whores'' or what else they are......
why u are always thinking negative about north ? U said u were going to ask me questions i guessed now about your questions .....


Nothing man we don't consider anyone a "whore". It was VP who said the TCs feel like raped women, and Kikapu asked if you feel like that then why do you go shopping from those who raped you.

It was just a challenge to the validity of VPs argument.

I even put some sexy jokes down and Kifeas got.... angry.
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