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[devil]

A simple question devil. Have you seen the film?
Here's a promise. If AFTER you see it, you can still hold the same convictions then I will go straight to a psychiatric.

NB. Tell me how the steel at the base of towers 100 floors below the fire melted

No I haven't seen it. I have no intention of wasting my time seeing it, either. OTOH, I have read probably more than you have on the subject. Very briefly, what happened is that the metallurgical characteristics of the steel altered in the intense heat started initially by the burning fuel and then including everything organic, helped by updraught created by the fire itself. This initially distorted the steel structure until a whole concrete floor gave way, falling onto the floor below and causing it to give way until the whole lot gave way like dominoes, taking everything with it. The so-called ground floor "explosions" were caused by debris falling, esp. down the lift shafts, including some of the elevators themselves. This has all been very seriously and scientifically demonstrated by computer modelling.

Can I recommend a good psychiatrist?

[Get Real!]

are cypriots blowing themselves up too?
oh my!
i suppose that is also the USA's fault?

Unfortunately GG, Cypriots WERE blowing themselves up during the 50s and 60s for similar reasons to those currently instilled in Iraq.

Correction GG, please read "blowing each other up" not "blowing themselves up".

Regards, GR.

[Pyrpolizer]

OTOH, I have read probably more than you have on the subject.

I have propsed you something easier.Just to watch something not read. You refuse. Really do watch it and answer the questions raised in there. I am very curious to hear your answers based on your already -as you claim- existing knowledge on the matter. The film is very scientific. It’s not mumbo jumbo.

Very briefly, what happened is that the metallurgical characteristics of the steel altered in the intense heat started initially by the burning fuel and then including everything organic, helped by updraught created by the fire itself.

The burning was far from been a furnace effect like you descibed it before, hence the dark smoke. It was a very inneficient burning leading to maximum 1000 degrees compared to the 3000 required for steel to melt. Kerozene and organic matter under perfect burning conditions are unable to reach more than 2/3rds of the temperature required for steeel to melt.The firemen on the burning floors were reporting 2 isolated fires that they could put down with just 2 hose lines Its all in the video with live recordings that you don’t want to "waste" your time listening. The only truth in your theory is that steel at those temperatures loses its strength (but DOES NOT melt). If this was what happened then the steel would just let go the concrete slabs and cause the pancake effect you and the official explanation of events describes. This however DOES NOT ANSWER the question to what happened to the STEEL CORE of the building even 100 floors below the fire.

The so-called ground floor "explosions" were caused by debris falling, esp. down the lift shafts, including some of the elevators themselves.

The exlosions were well before the buildings fell.

I do not know based on what info you have come to above conclusions, but there had been a lot of controlled experiments on collapsing steel structures (after the 9/11) that demonstrated beyond any doubt they will collapse under the high temperatures involved.

I already said where I base my convictions. Name me one steel structure/skyscraper anywhere in the world that collapsed due to fire. The planes that crashed on the twin towers did not even tilt them. They presumably fell because of the fire.As for the high temperatures involved look above.


NB. I am still waiting for someone to tell me how many builings of the World Trade center have collapsed on 9/11. GorillaG-living in NY- any ideas?

[GorillaGal]

GG so you live in NY? Well tell us how many builings fell on 9/11. 1,2, 3, 100 ?

three fell

[Pyrpolizer]

FINALLYYYYY! 3 fell! The twin towers and World Trade Center building 7 situated 300 meters away from the twin towers, which was not hit by plane, not this, not that. How tall was WTCB7? 42 floors. (4 times taller than the tallest building in Cyprus).

So GG would you care informing the audience how WTCB7 fell?

[GorillaGal]

Pyrpolizer: if you think i am going to stoop to your conspiracy theories, you are nuts and need to get psychiatric help immediately.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well I know who needs treatment worldwide but you all have to wait for the time being. I hope you don't burtst into tears but the news is nothing can change with you, the hopes are only for future generations

Why don't you just tell the audience how WTCB7 fell GorillaG? Nobody is going to call you a traitor of your nation, if this is what you fear.

[GorillaGal]

i am no traitor. and i am also no engineer. since you seem to know it all, why don't you tell us. i need a good laugh.

[Pyrpolizer]

So you live there and you don't even know how building 7 fell? You might not be an scientist or anything, but even a retarted person would somehow think along this line: "hey the 2 towers fell because of the planes but how the hell the other building 300 meters away (about 1000 feet) fell". And of course a retarded person would say the 3rd building felt sympathetic to the other 2, that's why it fell.

Well here's some help for you Gorilla girl to laugh. Type these words on Google: "world trade center building 7".It will give you 42 million results. No need to read them all. just concentrate on the first page . ONLY ONE result subscribes to the official theory! And even that does not give absolutely no explanation as to what happened to the core of buildings 1 and 2.

Still laughing GG?

[Pyrpolizer]

But hold on for a minute. What do you mean by saying "I am no traitor". I never said you were. I said are you afraid they call you a traitor if you question the official explanations? Well GG is this what you are really afraid of?