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[Kikapu]

I have given up trying to identify forum members blood line as I get the feeling some of us seem not to be whom they want us to believe.
There is a difference between Turkeyfied (new word to me) and Turkified, so please make sure others realise what you mean. Me included. Home for me is Cyprus. Apoligies If I have given you the false impression. My "temporary home" since 1963 has been the UK, but my "home" "vatanim" is Cyprus. I prefer not to be classified in any way or the other. What I say re: factitiouspolitical parties still stands and applies mainly to south of the border. Since I do not have Haram land that excludes me from being a partitionist - with your logic. Could you please elaborate on what civil war you are talking bout. You have got me their. For a moment I thought you were refering to the GC Civil war!
Selam

Not all Partitionist have "HARAM LAND", but my guess is, most do.

The "Civil War" that I was referring to Denizaksulu, is the one that started in 1963 and still goes on today between the GC's and the TC's. No we are not fighting with guns but we are with words on every level. Until all peoples rights are restored in Cyprus, the "Civil War" will never end.

Perhaps I see things differently than others.

What do you think.??

[MR-from-NG]

I have given up trying to identify forum members blood line as I get the feeling some of us seem not to be whom they want us to believe.
There is a difference between Turkeyfied (new word to me) and Turkified, so please make sure others realise what you mean. Me included. Home for me is Cyprus. Apoligies If I have given you the false impression. My "temporary home" since 1963 has been the UK, but my "home" "vatanim" is Cyprus. I prefer not to be classified in any way or the other. What I say re: factitiouspolitical parties still stands and applies mainly to south of the border. Since I do not have Haram land that excludes me from being a partitionist - with your logic. Could you please elaborate on what civil war you are talking bout. You have got me their. For a moment I thought you were refering to the GC Civil war!
Selam

Not all Partitionist have "HARAM LAND", but my guess is, most do.

The "Civil War" that I was referring to Denizaksulu, is the one that started in 1963 and still goes on today between the GC's and the TC's. No we are not fighting with guns but we are with words on every level. Until all peoples rights are restored in Cyprus, the "Civil War" will never end.

Perhaps I see things differently than others.
What do you think.??

You hit the nail on the head. You see it from the GCs point of view, where as us TCs, living and having first hand experience in the realities of the Cyprob tend to look at things from our own point of view.

[Kikapu]

Not all Partitionist have "HARAM LAND", but my guess is, most do.

The "Civil War" that I was referring to Denizaksulu, is the one that started in 1963 and still goes on today between the GC's and the TC's. No we are not fighting with guns but we are with words on every level. Until all peoples rights are restored in Cyprus, the "Civil War" will never end.

Perhaps I see things differently than others.
What do you think.??

You hit the nail on the head. You see it from the GCs point of view, where as us TCs, living and having first hand experience in the realities of the Cyprob tend to look at things from our own point of view.

You can see it from which ever view you want mrfromng. I am a independent because I do not have any "conflict of interest" in Cyprus, as far as land or greed goes, that would hinder me badly if we have a settlement. Can most of you say the same thing, who wants a Partition. I dare to say NO. So of course the Partitionist will have their own point of view, and that has been the whole issue. Do they really have security issues or is it how much money that they will lose, because they are sitting on other peoples land and property.

Do you think a TC who is running a hotel that once belonged to a GC, is going to be happy to have a settlement, or a family that has a much larger house now than before. Do you think they would want to have a settlement. The politicians who act like big shots in the "TRNC". Do you think they want a settlement. Well, the answers to all those questions is a resounding NO. The bottom line is, we can all have different points of view, but deep down, we all know what is Right and what is Wrong, and when it is Wrong, then I say it, where as others also know it is Wrong, but cannot say them, because it will go against their best interest.

[denizaksulu]

Dear Kikapu, thanks for enlightening me. I will try and get around the idea of civil war between GC and TCs. That really puts a new dimension on the whole thing. In fact I was referring to the GC internal strife prior to July 1974.
Well I do believe we are all Cypriots, so Civil war idea partially accepted.

[Kikapu]

Dear Kikapu, thanks for enlightening me. I will try and get around the idea of civil war between GC and TCs. That really puts a new dimension on the whole thing. In fact I was referring to the GC internal strife prior to July 1974.
Well I do believe we are all Cypriots, so Civil war idea partially accepted.

I don't know whether you are being serious, or just taking the piss denizaksulu. Some people will like to water it down and call it "civil strife", but what I saw in 1963 was a "civil war" between the citizens of the same nation. I do not think, it can be anything else, just because we speak different language than the GC's. I would agree we do not have the same intensity today, but war of words still continue.

[Bananiot]

Kikapu my friend, do you really think that the two communities can come together and draw up an agreement by themselves without outside brokering? Is this really feasible? I appreciate you are frustrated by the impasse (aren't we all) but any help that we can still offer our country can only be a product of realistic and rational approaches that take into consideration the situation on the ground. If not, we will be left with the sour taste of wishful thinking that has done nobody any good. On top, the longer we take to appreciate this the nearesr we draw to final partition. I repeat once again that in my view my side did not reject the Annan Plan because of its complexity but mainly because powerful and influential people in my community consider sharing power with Turkish Cypriots (as two politically equal communities) an anathema and a stain on our hellenism.

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu, taking the piss as you call it is not my style. That sort of behaviour I reserve for people I am very familiar with, and idiots. You do not fall into either category,but beware. You'd better look up your definition of "Nation". I will, and I dont think anyone ,even GCs , will agrree as to a "Cyprus Nation" which comprises of Turkish, Greek, Armenian and Maronite speaking Cypriots.. I would like to know where you got that idea from?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, taking the piss as you call it is not my style. That sort of behaviour I reserve for people I am very familiar with, and idiots. You do not fall into either category,but beware. You'd better look up your definition of "Nation". I will, and I dont think anyone ,even GCs , will agrree as to a "Cyprus Nation" which comprises of Turkish, Greek, Armenian and Maronite speaking Cypriots.. I would like to know where you got that idea from?

I was just asking, regarding the "taking the piss part".

I must say, I do use the words Nation, Country, State, Homeland very loosely, that is meant to say, my Birth Place.

[Kifeas]

Kikapu, taking the piss as you call it is not my style. That sort of behaviour I reserve for people I am very familiar with, and idiots. You do not fall into either category,but beware. You'd better look up your definition of "Nation". I will, and I dont think anyone ,even GCs , will agrree as to a "Cyprus Nation" which comprises of Turkish, Greek, Armenian and Maronite speaking Cypriots.. I would like to know where you got that idea from?

If we are to refuse or reject the existence of a Cypriot Nation, then you need to explain to me what is it that was established in 1960, under the name "Republic of Cyprus." If it wasn't a nation, then what was it? A confederation of (two) independed nation-states (?,) and if so, why was it accepted as a member of the United NATIONS, as a single political and legal nation-state entity?

[Kifeas]

Kikapu my friend, do you really think that the two communities can come together and draw up an agreement by themselves without outside brokering? Is this really feasible?

Why isn’t it feasible, if both of them want to reach a fair, workable and viable compromised deal? Tell me why? Who can stop them and how, provided they both want this? Why only foreigners can do so, and the two parties themselves can’t?

I appreciate you are frustrated by the impasse (aren't we all) but any help that we can still offer our country can only be a product of realistic and rational approaches that take into consideration the situation on the ground.

Your vocabulary, notions and terms are precisely the same like those of Denktash and Turkey! “The situation on the ground!” I.e. what was effected with the use of an illegal force! Well, besides “the situation on the ground,” there is also the situation of international law and human rights laws, plus another situation “on the ground,” which is the fact that Cyprus -the whole of it and under the flag of the RoC, is now a full member of the EU! If we are to take into consideration your favourite “situation on the ground” as a basis, then let’s take all the other above situations into consideration too! I am in full agreement in this case! What do you have to say?

I repeat once again that in my view my side did not reject the Annan Plan because of its complexity but mainly because powerful and influential people in my community consider sharing power with Turkish Cypriots (as two politically equal communities) an anathema and a stain on our hellenism.

This is an insult to the thousands of refugees -in fact the majority of them including those whose immediate return was guaranteed, who have rejected the Annan plan simply because they felt it did not do any sense and /or justice, and it had very little to do with what they have been expecting all these years and what their consciousness would allow them to tolerate as compromised solution! Yes, there are those you described above, however, what did Kofi Annan do in order to expose them? Nothing! Instead, he presented a plan that besides been on the basis of (a twisted) power sharing, it also was against human rights, it satisfied all the demands of Turkey and the British to have Cyprus under their domination, and finally, it granted complete ethnic ownership of 30% of Cyprus to the 18% TC community and to Turkey via its settlers here! This was the Annan plan that you so much cherish!