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[denizaksulu]

That is right DT, we (both sides) need politicians who are able to see beyond their noses. Fat chance.

[DT.]

That is right DT, we (both sides) need politicians who are able to see beyond their noses. Fat chance.

in our case its fat nose

[denizaksulu]

No point crying over spilt milk now, but the ironing out could have been a pre-requisite to the signing. It is all gone now. One thing we all must agree on is the fact that no side will be 100% happy with any plan. Does that mean we are stuck in limbo? It is a matter of trust, and with people like Tpop at the helm of the RoC. what hope is there?

[Kikapu]

No point crying over spilt milk now, but the ironing out could have been a pre-requisite to the signing. It is all gone now. One thing we all must agree on is the fact that no side will be 100% happy with any plan. Does that mean we are stuck in limbo? It is a matter of trust, and with people like Tpop at the helm of the RoC. what hope is there?

You can point the finger at PappaD if you want and I do not want to defend him, but he only gets one vote like anyone else, so what do you say to the rest of the GC's, that voted NO and the most of the TC's voted YES. Can you not see, that there was an imbalance to the AP from the beginning, and once it was written and accepted, good luck trying to change anything, without another Civil War.

[denizaksulu]

Another war will not solve anything. It will only lead to another impasse and eventual solidification of the Fait Accompli, that is Partition. I do not know how many TCs want it(Partition), but how many GCs want it? Any clues?

[Kikapu]

Another war will not solve anything. It will only lead to another impasse and eventual solidification of the Fait Accompli, that is Partition. I do not know how many TCs want it(Partition), but how many GCs want it? Any clues?

I can't speak for the GC's, and I'm sure no body in their right mind will want another Civil War, since the last one is not even over yet, if you know what I mean. In all reality, I cannot even see a Official Partition of the Northern Part of Cyprus by the Partitionist, because they will not be recognised, so what would be the point. According to the Partitionist on this Forum, they claim that majority of the TC's will want a Partition. Personally, I think it is only those who have gotten "HARAM LAND", that want a Partition.

If they think, that they can get the same status as Taiwan, they better think again, because Taiwan is a fully developed and a fully Industrialized Country, but even Taiwan cannot declare independence, because it can never get it, even with the protection of the USA. The best the Partitionist can hope for, is an Annexation of the Northern Part of Cyprus by Turkey, and then live like the Turks from Turkey. If that was the case, does it not make more sense for the Partitionist to move to Turkey instead, and for Turkey to withdraw from Cyprus to better her chances in joining the EU. If Turkey Annexed Northern Cyprus, then I would not be surprised if the RoC would not build a permanent wall between the North and South, and allow those TC's who want to live in a EU country of the RoC, and leave the rest for Turkey to take care of, if they do not wish to live in the RoC.

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu, why do you assume that Turkish speaking CYPRIOTS wish to live in Turkey. All they want is to live in their homes in security. The only way to achieve this security is a kind of separation whether you want to call it Partition , Bi-federal/ Bi-zonal state with a united central Goverment or whatever is on the table. You say your civil war is not over, how can we expect a solution from Greek speaking Cypriots when the chasm between your two factions is so great. If your factious parties can not agree amongst themselves what hope is there for Greek / Turkish dialogue leading to a settlement? I am not saying I am a partitionist, but seeing the GCs state of mind I can not see a unification at this time. I see a stalemate which leaves us currently divided until when............ God only knows. Till then lets live as good neighbors and and keep to a sensible dialogue and see what will transpire. You can keep on with the embargoes and and the number of our settlers will increase, knocking yet another nail in the coffin of unity. Thats how I see it which does not mean that is what I want.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, why do you assume that Turkish speaking CYPRIOTS wish to live in Turkey. All they want is to live in their homes in security. The only way to achieve this security is a kind of separation whether you want to call it Partition , Bi-federal/ Bi-zonal state with a united central Goverment or whatever is on the table. You say your civil war is not over, how can we expect a solution from Greek speaking Cypriots when the chasm between your two factions is so great. If your factious parties can not agree amongst themselves what hope is there for Greek / Turkish dialogue leading to a settlement? I am not saying I am a partitionist, but seeing the GCs state of mind I can not see a unification at this time. I see a stalemate which leaves us currently divided until when............ God only knows. Till then lets live as good neighbors and and keep to a sensible dialogue and see what will transpire. You can keep on with the embargoes and and the number of our settlers will increase, knocking yet another nail in the coffin of unity. Thats how I see it which does not mean that is what I want.

I'm a True Turkish Cypriot, just in case you have missed that part in my posts, here on the Forum. With all due respect to you Denizaksulu, you sound just like a typical Partitionist when you automatically call the Northern Part of Cyprus as your "Home", when infact, there are many more other Cypriots whose home's that most TC's and settlers are living in, but are told to stay away.

Tell me how can we have a True Peace in Cyprus, when only one side declares that the "civil war" is over, and lets just start fresh from this point on. If you want for us all to be Cypriots, then we must act like Cypriots, but if you want those living in the "TRNC" becoming more "Turkeyfied" by each passing day, and do not see others on the island as their people, then I will say it again, why don't you go and live in Turkey, and be as much "Turkeyfied" as you want without limits, but we as TC's, have no right to turn the Northern Part of Cyprus, as if it was the Southern Part of Turkey. I enjoy going to Turkey, because it is Turkey. I do not want the same in my own Country of Cyprus, that's all.

[T_C]

Kikapu, why do you assume that Turkish speaking CYPRIOTS wish to live in Turkey. All they want is to live in their homes in security. The only way to achieve this security is a kind of separation whether you want to call it Partition , Bi-federal/ Bi-zonal state with a united central Goverment or whatever is on the table. You say your civil war is not over, how can we expect a solution from Greek speaking Cypriots when the chasm between your two factions is so great. If your factious parties can not agree amongst themselves what hope is there for Greek / Turkish dialogue leading to a settlement? I am not saying I am a partitionist, but seeing the GCs state of mind I can not see a unification at this time. I see a stalemate which leaves us currently divided until when............ God only knows. Till then lets live as good neighbors and and keep to a sensible dialogue and see what will transpire. You can keep on with the embargoes and and the number of our settlers will increase, knocking yet another nail in the coffin of unity. Thats how I see it which does not mean that is what I want.

I agree with you deniz!

[denizaksulu]

I have given up trying to identify forum members blood line as I get the feeling some of us seem not to be whom they want us to believe.
There is a difference between Turkeyfied (new word to me) and Turkified, so please make sure others realise what you mean. Me included. Home for me is Cyprus. Apoligies If I have given you the false impression. My "temporary home" since 1963 has been the UK, but my "home" "vatanim" is Cyprus. I prefer not to be classified in any way or the other. What I say re: factitiouspolitical parties still stands and applies mainly to south of the border. Since I do not have Haram land that excludes me from being a partitionist - with your logic. Could you please elaborate on what civil war you are talking bout. You have got me their. For a moment I thought you were refering to the GC Civil war!
Selam