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[zan]

Did you read my two posts above DT?

[DT.]

I did Zan. I have turned on many times against fellow GC's such as EPsilon, Nikephoros etc for the bulls**t they spout.

I realise there is a large chasm of views between us but surely you can't condone whats happening today to other peoples property? This is what threw me about you and mrfromngs posts. Surely there must be an internal alarm that rings when theft occurs or when an atrocity is committed just like in the 60's for some of my TC compatriots and 74 for my GC compatriots.

It shouldn't matter who you are...people are using other people's homes for profit.

[zan]

I did Zan. I have turned on many times against fellow GC's such as EPsilon, Nikephoros etc for the bulls**t they spout.

I realise there is a large chasm of views between us but surely you can't condone whats happening today to other peoples property? This is what threw me about you and mrfromngs posts. Surely there must be an internal alarm that rings when theft occurs or when an atrocity is committed just like in the 60's for some of my TC compatriots and 74 for my GC compatriots.

It shouldn't matter who you are...people are using other people's homes for profit.

There was an advert on the TV a good few years back DT and I think it was for a newspaper but I cannot remember which one. It first showed a skinhead looking type of man running towards another man that looked like he was walking away fast. The whole thing was in slow motion. It was done to look like that the skinhead was going to jump on this man and start beating him up. As the advert went on he slowly reached this man and pushed him to the ground. The camera panned back again and you saw an old lady pulling a trolley behind her and you were made to believe that he was going to mug the lady. The camera panned back again and it was then that you saw something that was falling from a scaffold tower above the old ladies head. The skinhead grabbed her and pulled her to safety. The advert said that you had to see the whole picture before you knew the whole story. You have to broaden your view of things and not just see the refugees. I am a refugee as well and not able to get back what I lost. If we can work out something for them then I will be more than happy but they are not the be all and end all of the Cyprus problem. Sorry mate but that’s the way it is in this world and I had to learn that from the age of four.

[DT.]

I did Zan. I have turned on many times against fellow GC's such as EPsilon, Nikephoros etc for the bulls**t they spout.

I realise there is a large chasm of views between us but surely you can't condone whats happening today to other peoples property? This is what threw me about you and mrfromngs posts. Surely there must be an internal alarm that rings when theft occurs or when an atrocity is committed just like in the 60's for some of my TC compatriots and 74 for my GC compatriots.

It shouldn't matter who you are...people are using other people's homes for profit.

There was an advert on the TV a good few years back DT and I think it was for a newspaper but I cannot remember which one. It first showed a skinhead looking type of man running towards another man that looked like he was walking away fast. The whole thing was in slow motion. It was done to look like that the skinhead was going to jump on this man and start beating him up. As the advert went on he slowly reached this man and pushed him to the ground. The camera panned back again and you saw an old lady pulling a trolley behind her and you were made to believe that he was going to mug the lady. The camera panned back again and it was then that you saw something that was falling from a scaffold tower above the old ladies head. The skinhead grabbed her and pulled her to safety. The advert said that you had to see the whole picture before you knew the whole story. You have to broaden your view of things and not just see the refugees. I am a refugee as well and not able to get back what I lost. If we can work out something for them then I will be more than happy but they are not the be all and end all of the Cyprus problem. Sorry mate but that’s the way it is in this world and I had to learn that from the age of four.

Why are you a refugee Zan?

[zan]

I did Zan. I have turned on many times against fellow GC's such as EPsilon, Nikephoros etc for the bulls**t they spout.

I realise there is a large chasm of views between us but surely you can't condone whats happening today to other peoples property? This is what threw me about you and mrfromngs posts. Surely there must be an internal alarm that rings when theft occurs or when an atrocity is committed just like in the 60's for some of my TC compatriots and 74 for my GC compatriots.

It shouldn't matter who you are...people are using other people's homes for profit.

There was an advert on the TV a good few years back DT and I think it was for a newspaper but I cannot remember which one. It first showed a skinhead looking type of man running towards another man that looked like he was walking away fast. The whole thing was in slow motion. It was done to look like that the skinhead was going to jump on this man and start beating him up. As the advert went on he slowly reached this man and pushed him to the ground. The camera panned back again and you saw an old lady pulling a trolley behind her and you were made to believe that he was going to mug the lady. The camera panned back again and it was then that you saw something that was falling from a scaffold tower above the old ladies head. The skinhead grabbed her and pulled her to safety. The advert said that you had to see the whole picture before you knew the whole story. You have to broaden your view of things and not just see the refugees. I am a refugee as well and not able to get back what I lost. If we can work out something for them then I will be more than happy but they are not the be all and end all of the Cyprus problem. Sorry mate but that’s the way it is in this world and I had to learn that from the age of four.

Why are you a refugee Zan?

1963 Killing the TCs. 1964 shortage of food and everything for the TCs and more killings. I think it was in between that and the fact that a very good friend of my family got his leg blown of by a GC sniper. A well known man in Lefcosa that died a few years back by the name of Topal Mustafa. Well as soon as my dad could he got us the hell out of there in 65. We have heard nothing but hardship from our cousins ever since. It is only since the Annan plan that I can see any positive news coming out of the TRNC/KKTC. My fathers land is in the buffer zone.

[Bananiot]

Ger Real wrote

Bananiot’s primary objective is the defamation of Tasos Papadopoulos and everything else comes secondary. Occasionally he’ll throw in the odd support for “unification”, usually opting for the most complex and least likely method to work.

One could write up and post an essay full of fabrications and insults to Cyprus and yet Bananiot wouldn’t lift a finger to counter it. In fact, if such an essay was to also contain insults to TP then he may even be tempted to add further reinforcement to it.

With regards to unification, a complex political arrangement such as the Annan plan, that involves proportional power sharing of communities and territorial dissections is nothing short of the dissolution of such a state/country, yet Bananiot and many others, support such a chaotic and technically unfeasible scenario to be applied to Cyprus even knowing that it would also call for the constant interference and likely intervention of external powers.

Such diabolical arrangements destroy the sovereignty of Cyprus and places the island's future into the hands of others so any suggestion that promoters of these schemes are patriotic is nothing short of laughable.

Regards, GR.

Must admit I missed this thread and my failure to respond is not a sign of disdain towards Get Real and other authors.

Get Real claims that my sole aim in life is to defame Papadopoulos. Well, Papadopoulos does not need me to do this job. He manages quite nicely to defame Papadopoulos by himself. He has become the black sheep in Europe and the whole world. You can hardly find anyone that stomachs him but this would not mean anything to me had he not been the President of this plantation. He is fast taking Cyprus down the drain with him. Then, I am not the only person that thinks like this. Even present day close associates of him have thought like this for many years. In AKEL he was considered a hard liner and a sick anti Turk, until Christofias decided to participate in the loot.

His staunches ally, Giannakis Omirou (EDEK leader), has been recorded saying (only as far back as 2002) that Papadopoulos is not the right person to lead Cyprus into the new era. He was saying that the management of the Cyprus issue cannot be left on a hard liner who thinks he knows all. Omirou was saying that a political leader who has refused repeatedly to create any type of relationship with the healthy political forces in the north is not fit to be a President (autumn 2002).

Thus, Get Real, if you have something to say about others, more important than me, that have issues with Papadopoulos, please go ahead and say it. I am just insignificant small fry, admittedly with an issue, because I can clearly see that Papadopoulos has destroyed Cyprus. Of course I was saying this long before he was elected but people were telling me that I was scare mongering.

Regarding the Annan plan, we have been through this many times. Of course you are entitled to believe that partition is better than the cursed plan but since no other option was placed in front of us (it was no buffet of solution plans from where we could take our pick) I opted for a loud and resounding "yes" for a solution that would allow the two communities to be politically equal partners in a new unified Cyprus. Granted, the plan was complex but it was fitting to a complex situation we helped create with our nationalist acts of previous. In short, we did not deserve anything better. We were lucky they offered us the Annan plan which could have been negotiated and made much more workable, had we not have the misfortune to be ruled by the most stubborn nationalist that came out of Cyprus.

[DT.]

Ger Real wrote

Bananiot’s primary objective is the defamation of Tasos Papadopoulos and everything else comes secondary. Occasionally he’ll throw in the odd support for “unification”, usually opting for the most complex and least likely method to work.

One could write up and post an essay full of fabrications and insults to Cyprus and yet Bananiot wouldn’t lift a finger to counter it. In fact, if such an essay was to also contain insults to TP then he may even be tempted to add further reinforcement to it.

With regards to unification, a complex political arrangement such as the Annan plan, that involves proportional power sharing of communities and territorial dissections is nothing short of the dissolution of such a state/country, yet Bananiot and many others, support such a chaotic and technically unfeasible scenario to be applied to Cyprus even knowing that it would also call for the constant interference and likely intervention of external powers.

Such diabolical arrangements destroy the sovereignty of Cyprus and places the island's future into the hands of others so any suggestion that promoters of these schemes are patriotic is nothing short of laughable.

Regards, GR.

Must admit I missed this thread and my failure to respond is not a sign of disdain towards Get Real and other authors.

Get Real claims that my sole aim in life is to defame Papadopoulos. Well, Papadopoulos does not need me to do this job. He manages quite nicely to defame Papadopoulos by himself. He has become the black sheep in Europe and the whole world. You can hardly find anyone that stomachs him but this would not mean anything to me had he not been the President of this plantation. He is fast taking Cyprus down the drain with him. Then, I am not the only person that thinks like this. Even present day close associates of him have thought like this for many years. In AKEL he was considered a hard liner and a sick anti Turk, until Christofias decided to participate in the loot.

His staunches ally, Giannakis Omirou (EDEK leader), has been recorded saying (only as far back as 2002) that Papadopoulos is not the right person to lead Cyprus into the new era. He was saying that the management of the Cyprus issue cannot be left on a hard liner who thinks he knows all. Omirou was saying that a political leader who has refused repeatedly to create any type of relationship with the healthy political forces in the north is not fit to be a President (autumn 2002).

Thus, Get Real, if you have something to say about others, more important than me, that have issues with Papadopoulos, please go ahead and say it. I am just insignificant small fry, admittedly with an issue, because I can clearly see that Papadopoulos has destroyed Cyprus. Of course I was saying this long before he was elected but people were telling me that I was scare mongering.

Regarding the Annan plan, we have been through this many times. Of course you are entitled to believe that partition is better than the cursed plan but since no other option was placed in front of us (it was no buffet of solution plans from where we could take our pick) I opted for a loud and resounding "yes" for a solution that would allow the two communities to be politically equal partners in a new unified Cyprus. Granted, the plan was complex but it was fitting to a complex situation we helped create with our nationalist acts of previous. In short, we did not deserve anything better. We were lucky they offered us the Annan plan which could have been negotiated and made much more workable, had we not have the misfortune to be ruled by the most stubborn nationalist that came out of Cyprus.

and in your mind life would be better now?

[denizaksulu]

Replying to DT who in turn was replying to Bananiot, Yes, I think life would be better now. Had the Annan plan been accepted the few " creases" could have been ironed out, eventually. We are aware of the few stumbling blocks, with good and thoughtful negotiations with the right politicians on both sides.........But we will never know, will we.

[DT.]

Replying to DT who in turn was replying to Bananiot, Yes, I think life would be better now. Had the Annan plan been accepted the few " creases" could have been ironed out, eventually. We are aware of the few stumbling blocks, with good and thoughtful negotiations with the right politicians on both sides.........But we will never know, will we.

don't know about you Deniz but I'm definite we don't have the right politicians on our side.

[Kikapu]

Replying to DT who in turn was replying to Bananiot, Yes, I think life would be better now. Had the Annan plan been accepted the few " creases" could have been ironed out, eventually. We are aware of the few stumbling blocks, with good and thoughtful negotiations with the right politicians on both sides.........But we will never know, will we.

If we could not "ironed out" the 1960 Constitution, because the way it was written, what makes you think, the AP could have been "ironed out" the way that too was written. Haven't we learned a lesson yet from signing agreements that comes with many faults, because the side that seemed to benefit the most, only have their best interest at heart, and not the Country's.

No, it was better to vote the AP down as it was written, then run around like chickens with it's head cut off, to try and fix it later on. I had the same views as you at one point, but looking back, I can say that I was mistaken to believe, that GREED would not play a part, but I was wrong.