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[denizaksulu]

Thank you Kifeas. I have read the definitions you provided through you link. I will stick to answers 3 and 4. They are the best suited for the Cypriot Problem (my opinion)

[denizaksulu]

The Kurds are a nation and dont be pedantic. Its all semantics.

[iceman]

I repeat once again that in my view my side did not reject the Annan Plan because of its complexity but mainly because powerful and influential people in my community consider sharing power with Turkish Cypriots (as two politically equal communities) an anathema and a stain on our hellenism.

This is an insult to the thousands of refugees -in fact the majority of them including those whose immediate return was guaranteed, who have rejected the Annan plan simply because they felt it did not do any sense and /or justice, and it had very little to do with what they have been expecting all these years and what their consciousness would allow them to tolerate as compromised solution! Yes, there are those you described above, however, what did Kofi Annan do in order to expose them? Nothing! Instead, he presented a plan that besides been on the basis of (a twisted) power sharing, it also was against human rights, it satisfied all the demands of Turkey and the British to have Cyprus under their domination, and finally, it granted complete ethnic ownership of 30% of Cyprus to the 18% TC community and to Turkey via its settlers here! This was the Annan plan that you so much cherish!

Like it or not,the future UN plans will not be much different to Annan's version...Get used to the idea

Like it or not, there won't be any future UN plans! It is either your side abandons its intransigent and opportunistic stance and seats down with us to agree a solution on the parameters I have indicated above, or you will continue to remain isolated (and Turkey outside the EU) until the hell freezes!

Ha ha ha....you will be waiting a long time for that my friend...we have managed to survive through isolation so far,what makes you think we will give up?

How long my friend? 30, 40, 50 years! Too little! We have survived 306 years under the ottomans, 100 years under the Venetians, 400 years under the Romans, 200 years under the Arabs, 200 years under the Franks, 100 years under the Assyrians, 300 years under the Persians, etc, etc! What makes you think that we will ever give up?

We'll wait as long as it takes my friend...you might have the patience but i cant say the same thing about the UN & the rest of the world...Do you think they are willing to wait for you that long?

[karma]

Yes, Kifeas; Turks are a Nation, Greeks are a Nation in the meaning I use it.

Yeah? Then, in the meaning you use it, Turks are a nation but Turkey isn't one! Oh ...I forgot, the kurds are not kurds but ...mountain Turks!

llloooooollllll
then Greeks are Sea Turks

[denizaksulu]

Thank you Karma

[Kifeas]

I repeat once again that in my view my side did not reject the Annan Plan because of its complexity but mainly because powerful and influential people in my community consider sharing power with Turkish Cypriots (as two politically equal communities) an anathema and a stain on our hellenism.

This is an insult to the thousands of refugees -in fact the majority of them including those whose immediate return was guaranteed, who have rejected the Annan plan simply because they felt it did not do any sense and /or justice, and it had very little to do with what they have been expecting all these years and what their consciousness would allow them to tolerate as compromised solution! Yes, there are those you described above, however, what did Kofi Annan do in order to expose them? Nothing! Instead, he presented a plan that besides been on the basis of (a twisted) power sharing, it also was against human rights, it satisfied all the demands of Turkey and the British to have Cyprus under their domination, and finally, it granted complete ethnic ownership of 30% of Cyprus to the 18% TC community and to Turkey via its settlers here! This was the Annan plan that you so much cherish!

Like it or not,the future UN plans will not be much different to Annan's version...Get used to the idea

Like it or not, there won't be any future UN plans! It is either your side abandons its intransigent and opportunistic stance and seats down with us to agree a solution on the parameters I have indicated above, or you will continue to remain isolated (and Turkey outside the EU) until the hell freezes!

Ha ha ha....you will be waiting a long time for that my friend...we have managed to survive through isolation so far,what makes you think we will give up?

How long my friend? 30, 40, 50 years! Too little! We have survived 306 years under the ottomans, 100 years under the Venetians, 400 years under the Romans, 200 years under the Arabs, 200 years under the Franks, 100 years under the Assyrians, 300 years under the Persians, etc, etc! What makes you think that we will ever give up?

We'll wait as long as it takes my friend...you might have the patience but i cant say the same thing about the UN & the rest of the world...Do you think they are willing to wait for you that long?

Well, as far as I am concerned, they will not be waiting for us, but for you and Turkey instead! Do you think they will have the patience to wait for too long with your motherland's illegal occupation, before they kick her out of the CoE and the UN -forget about the EU?

[iceman]

I repeat once again that in my view my side did not reject the Annan Plan because of its complexity but mainly because powerful and influential people in my community consider sharing power with Turkish Cypriots (as two politically equal communities) an anathema and a stain on our hellenism.

This is an insult to the thousands of refugees -in fact the majority of them including those whose immediate return was guaranteed, who have rejected the Annan plan simply because they felt it did not do any sense and /or justice, and it had very little to do with what they have been expecting all these years and what their consciousness would allow them to tolerate as compromised solution! Yes, there are those you described above, however, what did Kofi Annan do in order to expose them? Nothing! Instead, he presented a plan that besides been on the basis of (a twisted) power sharing, it also was against human rights, it satisfied all the demands of Turkey and the British to have Cyprus under their domination, and finally, it granted complete ethnic ownership of 30% of Cyprus to the 18% TC community and to Turkey via its settlers here! This was the Annan plan that you so much cherish!

Like it or not,the future UN plans will not be much different to Annan's version...Get used to the idea

Like it or not, there won't be any future UN plans! It is either your side abandons its intransigent and opportunistic stance and seats down with us to agree a solution on the parameters I have indicated above, or you will continue to remain isolated (and Turkey outside the EU) until the hell freezes!

Ha ha ha....you will be waiting a long time for that my friend...we have managed to survive through isolation so far,what makes you think we will give up?

How long my friend? 30, 40, 50 years! Too little! We have survived 306 years under the ottomans, 100 years under the Venetians, 400 years under the Romans, 200 years under the Arabs, 200 years under the Franks, 100 years under the Assyrians, 300 years under the Persians, etc, etc! What makes you think that we will ever give up?

We'll wait as long as it takes my friend...you might have the patience but i cant say the same thing about the UN & the rest of the world...Do you think they are willing to wait for you that long?

Well, as far as I am concerned, they will not be waiting for us, but for you and Turkey instead! Do you think they will have the patience to wait for too long with your motherland's illegal occupation, before they kick her out of the CoE and the UN -forget about the EU?

Don't you think they would have done that by now?
Don't not ever ask yourself why they haven't?

[Kifeas]

As a matter of fact, apart from your motherland's doomed EU membership becasue of Cyprus; the CoE is already considering to kick her out from being a member, for not obeying the ECtHR ruling in the “Cyprus vs. Turkey” case of 2001, in which Turkey was asked to stop violating GC’s human rights and to immediately return all GC refugees their properties back, and allow them free access and enjoyment of them!

After the EU and the CoE, the UN will take its turn!

[DT.]

As a matter of fact, apart from your motherland's doomed EU membership becasue of Cyprus; the CoE is already considering to kick her out from being a member, for not obeying the ECtHR ruling in the “Cyprus vs. Turkey” case of 2001, in which Turkey was asked to stop violating GC’s human rights and to immediately return all GC refugees their properties back, and allow them free access and enjoyment of them!

After the EU and the CoE, the UN will take its turn!

why would the Church of England kick turkey out?

[iceman]

As a matter of fact, apart from your motherland's doomed EU membership becasue of Cyprus; the CoE is already considering to kick her out from being a member, for not obeying the ECtHR ruling in the “Cyprus vs. Turkey” case of 2001, in which Turkey was asked to stop violating GC’s human rights and to immediately return all GC refugees their properties back, and allow them free access and enjoyment of them!

After the EU and the CoE, the UN will take its turn!

We shall wait and see..
The trouble with you GC's is that you seem to think the world revolves around you & your problems...
Well i have bad news for you my friend....it doesnt