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[Greek Cypriot]

I am a Greek Cypriot.
I am not a refugee.
I have a perfectly good life.
In 80 days I will be a citizen of the EU.

Can anybody tell me what I have to gain if a solution is found based on Anan's plan?

I will gain nothing!

5 out of 7 greek cypriots are like me.

[turkish_cypriot]

May be you have all you need...But isnt important to make our country whole? What u haven't got? U haven't got a complete country! There is no solution still.Don't forget there is still cease-fire situation!

[Greek Cypriot]

Yes, I agree that we all want a solution. Still I think the Anan plan gives a lot to Turkish Cypriots and almost nothing to us.
In just a couple a months after the solution TC will get a lot of benefits that they wouldn't get without a solution. On the other hand, our economical situation will become worst, for at least 3-4 years after the solution.

I think this is unfair. Why should I vote for something that gives me so little and will actually make my economical situetion worst.

If TC are the ones that are going to benefit the most, why is it us that make the most compromises again?

[PEACE]

Still I think the Anan plan gives a lot to Turkish Cypriots and almost nothing to us.

You read the plan? Look it one more time from www.cyprus-un-plan.org !
You will see that plan is setup up on balance !

In just a couple a months after the solution TC will get a lot of benefits that they wouldn't get without a solution.

Not at all... If there won't be a solution we are still EU citizen but in occupied area.We can get all EU rights if we leave this country and go to a EU country.Difference is there.

On the other hand, our economical situation will become worst, for at least 3-4 years after the solution.

EU gives more money to poorer areas in a country ! But it doesnt affect rich areas.Give me an example that a country got poorer after entering EU.

If TC are the ones that are going to benefit the most, why is it us that make the most compromises again

It sounds that u want peace only for getting more benefit from TCs.Both sides will make compromises.Don't worry! None of the sides accepts a solution that they give the "most compromise".Anyway ! Read the plan and look to the parts that u havent got sufficient information.

[Guest]

I read the plan already, and as I already said except from some of the refugees the rest of us will get nothing. If you disagree please tell me what we will get!

And yes, you will get benefits anyways if you agree that you are members of the Republic of Cyprus, and have Republic of Cyprus documents. But the north as an area will not get money from EU or recognition.

I didn't say that our site will get poorer because we will enter the EU!!! I said that we will get poorer because of a solution based on Anan plan. An example is Germany. After their unification west germany economy got worst. Of course that was ok, because easy germans didn't ask for veto powers and all that things that Anan plan gives to TC.

[PEACE]

I read the plan already, and as I already said except from some of the refugees the rest of us will get nothing.

Disarm of Cyprus?

United Cyprus?

Peace in Cyprus?

and u can see more....These were the main ones that i remembered in 1 second.
Of course there are many! There are many benefits for us too... But in total we get equal.

And yes, you will get benefits anyways if you agree that you are members of the Republic of Cyprus, and have Republic of Cyprus documents. But the north as an area will not get money from EU or recognition.

This situation makes you happy? The thought of Turkish Cypriots and north Cyprus getting EU support with a solution is disturbing you?

I didn't say that our site will get poorer because we will enter the EU!!! I said that we will get poorer because of a solution based on Anan plan.

I don't think so.We are not West Germany! There will be approximately 150.000 here after solution.Also this island's every place is ours! North won't be TC's and South won't be GCs'! .North side of the island may be will get more support from EU for a period after solution.But don't forget after solution Cyprus will be one.There won't be South or north part.No-one will say "i went to north Cyprus and didn't like there." But instead will say i went to Cyprus and didn't like may be!There won't be any borders.

Veto power is needed for some important subjects.This is the quarantee of our existance on this island as Turkish Cypriot Constitutional State.

If you see rights that are given us with Annan Plan are "so much" and don't want us to get EU support so PLEASE give NO in referendum.OK? That's the best choice ! Its better after solution saying these and making us troubled and new order UNSTABLE by trying to decrease the rights that u accepted with Annan Plan.

I don't any war and i don't want to see any blood spilled in this island ever again.I want to live in peace and happy and i prefere this situation to a new order that will be unstable after!


Life is short... We'll all die one day! The important point is living in peace during our life!

I suppose 1960 RC order spoiled cos like this reasons.... TC's have so much rights etc.

So Makarios wanted to change the 1960 constitution and Turkish side veto all! And ... anyway !Forget the past. ( I dont know what ur history books writing.) Let's not discuss about past and forget all... Future is important.


THE ONES WHO HAVE AN OBJECTION TO NEW ORDER NOW SPEAK OR BE SILENT FOREWER...

Listen your heart and choose.... "YES" or "NO"... and be HONEST!
That decision will be our future and the stability of the new order... United Cyprus...

[Guest]

Annan's plan promises things like peace and disarmament (partial actually), but how can you have peace and stability when this plan doesn't respect the human rights of people? Maybe for you it is easy to ask from us to be a second category european citizens, but we are used otherwise. We want all rights that any other EU citizen has.

So I really doubt that Annan plan will bring those benefits to us.

I have no problem with TC getting support. My problem is that you are ungrateful. You ask for more and more and you are never satisfied.

How is whole Cyprus going to be my country when not even all refugees will be able to go back to their homes? Do you know any country that will not allow its citizens to go and live at any place of their country that they like?

So basically this plan gives you your own state in a very loose federation with us. If you are going to have your own state anyways, then have it, but outside of the EU and without our money!

You are just a toy of Turkey and you are used for their interests.
I can predict from now what the situation will be on May 2nd:
-We will be in the EU.
-Turkey will say "well, its not our fault, we tried"
-You will be at the same situation that you are today. Maybe you will blame us for it, maybe you will blame Turkey, I don't know. But the only ones you should blame should be yourselfs because you let Turkey manipulate you for their own interests and you don't wake up to see yours!

The plan of Turkey is simple:
Ask for too much, so much that GC will never accept, and then tell TC that it is the fault of GC. So they get what they want, and then they convince you that it is our fault.

[EIPHNH, BARIS]

To all Cypriots i say lets work to unite our island, because it seems that the time is now that the problem must be resolved. Don't just look at self interest and "How I will gain" but How can Cyprus and cypriots gain? not to mention future generations.

Critics say it is all about Turkey's benefit and her EU asprations.
Yes, this is true, but once Turkey is in the EU i think we can all say that is a GOOD thing. Even Greece is supporting Turkeys membership.

Reconciliation => Solution => Peace.......because life is far too short.

[PEACE]

Briefly my friend you don't accept Annan Plan and its new order.OK!

Maybe for you it is easy to ask from us to be a second category european citizens, but we are used otherwise. We want all rights that any other EU citizen has.

Noone will be 2nd category EU citizen.Annan Plan has some limitations for transition period.This ends when Turkey enters to EU.

Some limitations will continue and these are needed for the stability of the new order.

So basically this plan gives you your own state in a very loose federation with us. If you are going to have your own state anyways, then have it, but outside of the EU and without our money

No.Annan Plan's new order is federation but contains some confederal elements too...

I have no problem with TC getting support. My problem is that you are ungrateful. You ask for more and more and you are never satisfied

"Ungrateful".This is what makes me angry so much.Some people from Turkey saying this to us to look us down and to apply pressure on us.Of course we are not listening.We know what we want and we know ourself.Please don't be rude.


We want a solution with Annan Plan and thats it and just it.Ok?

The plan of Turkey is simple:
Ask for too much, so much that GC will never accept, and then tell TC that it is the fault of GC. So they get what they want, and then they convince you that it is our fault

That was like that yes.But this time is different.Gcs can decline all and Annan fills the gaps ! Than plan is going to referendum.You'll decide the result and we!

The side who really works for solution will get something. Don't beleive everthing will be same if Gc side found guilty.

You are just a toy of Turkey and you are used for their interests.

You don't know us so saying this.But be sure we won't be a toy of anyone!

Any effort to spoil Annan Plan's order and system will be declined.
This is needed for a good solution!

[Guest]

Noone will be 2nd category EU citizen.Annan Plan has some limitations for transition period.This ends when Turkey enters to EU.

When Turkey enters the EU? This can be in 15 years minimum, and it can be never. Why should my rights depend on this? Turkey is VERY far from being a full EU member.
You might think that Greece and Cyprus are the main obstacles for Turkey entrance in the EU. But you are wrong. Turkey does not meet any of the economic, democratic or human rights criteria. Also some EU members (not Greece or Cyprus) wouldn't like a muslim nation to enter the EU.

The side who really works for solution will get something. Don't beleive everthing will be same if Gc side found guilty.

We work for a solution for long time already. It doesn't mean that we have to accept any solution, right? No solution is much better than a bad solution.
If they will find us guilty because we did not accept a bad solution, then let it be. In any case both Greece and Cyprus have the veto power in EU, so you and Turkey can say bye bye to EU forever.

Turkey is the invator. 200.000 refugees. 30 years of occupation. We have the right on our side and no Annan or US or whomever can make us guilty for not accepting yet another tragedy for our country.

If you really want peace then give us back our properties in the north, and you can come to take yours in the south. All human rights should be respected, and democracy should be in place. Otherwise what you ask for is not peace, is just something to serve your own interests.