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Birkibrisli & Miltiades Proposals regarding the TCs

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Postby bigOz » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:18 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
bigOZ wrote: Now we have another clown joining the club! What is this? IDIOTS' CONVENTION for the GCs?

My intelligence and knowledge is far superior to your brainless cranium - so much so you even wish to distract the truth when it is slapping you in the face!

The source I quoted from is an international site created by mainland Greeks advertising Athen's and Greece to tourists. Within history of Athens and Greece they also included their involvement in the Cyprus conflict. If you bothered to have a really good look at the site (which you never did because it would show you a fool), you would see just how Greek it is and why it would not lie in favour of Turks. That being the case why are you still in a state of denial and scornful?

There is no point in you giving me examples of Greek Cypriot sites claiming TMT asa terrorist organisation and me quoting Turkish sites claiming the same for EOKA, because we shall both adress it as nothing but propaganda. Hence, what better source than a GREEK site?

Are you now saying Greece is making TC propaganda? Or perhaps you believe Greeks are liars - either way you end up looking a fool that you probably are!


Listen man, I understand you are a newbie and you thought you discovered gold by quoting web-sites. Well nothing wrong with that, it’s a good start actually. This is what most people who want to learn and understand the Cyprob do for a start. That was what I was doing in the past as well. Soon enough you will realise most web-sites simply copy content from one another.The claim that TMT was formed as a reaction to Eoka can be found almost anywhere in Turkish sides and I am not surprised Greek sites quote the same thing.
In short tell me anything you want to hear, any excuse you want to use, and I will find you both Turkish/Greek/ and "independent" web sites supporting it.

May I remind you your initial claim was that a TC should be proud be called a TMT. This is what you said:

wrote: Kikapu, the reason why VP does not get offended by you calling him TMT is because, contrary to brainwashing currently going on, you are actually complimenting.


You claimed you backed up your conviction by quoting a Greek site. Well put your brain together and tell me where that Greek site says so….


NB. I might have been away from the forum lately but I do know you, and I know how you jump up every time you are challenged.Typically you start up with "my intelligence is superior, you are brainless" and all that stuff.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have depeloped your footprint in here haven’t you?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Had you bothered to read further into my posts you would have realised I do not eddress people in such manner unless provoked and personally attacked the same way! If you care to read your own post prior to mine and evaluate it from my prespective you will understand what I am talking about.

The fact that I am new to CF does not mean I am new to Cyprus problem. My whole youth and higher education - mainly in England was spent studying Marksism/Leninism, Capitalism, Socialism, Mao and Communism, Imperialism, and the politics of the world that have been shaping it over the past century. The situation and war in Cyprus was the main reason for our interest - when I say our - I mean both TC and GC friends of mine in UK, who jointly formed a study group. Most of these guys are in key positions in Cyprus NOW, and stioll fighting for a united Cyprus. But nothing on the levels discussed in this forum which sometime do contain a lot of waffle and shit-stirring comments from various parties. You started to attack the wrong person!

Secondly,for you to understand within what context I said what I said, you would not have referred to the comment I made about TMT the way you did. In some past posts, a certain party used TMT as a title to someone in th ebelief that he was offending them. My point to him was, the title would not be offensive to any TC in Cyprus, because to them it signifies something that is not a terrorist organisation (as also supported by the Greek Athen's site) but an organisation that was/is largely respected. Hence it would be acompliment rather than an insult - does that make sense to you?

With all respects, you were the one who started off with my intelligence initially. Furthermore your advise about the internet is very well appreciated, but surplus to requirements. There are few TCs in this forum who know me well and I assure you, being a pilot and a flying instructor is just a side profession for me! I have a Uni diploma in Business Admin, a degree in Computing on its way, and have recently qualified in eCommerce, specialising in "internet online marketing" covering areas not just in Web Site Construction, but Search Engine Optimisation, online EPR, PPC, programming in VBscript re: Excell, Access, ASP, etc. JavaScript, CSS etc. not to mention high level language programming in C++. I spent more time in front of computers than any professor you have in a Cyprus University, so thanks for the advice but I think I do know enough about websites and how they function.

Get Real wrote:
If Turkish Napalm is classified as a “peace operation” by your community then why are you so bothered by mediocre EOKA activities?

Re gumbaro! It sounds like you did not have lunch today :lol:
I am not bothered by any one's activities, and TMT did not throw napalm bombs either. What I respond to (as always) is the wrong interpretation of facts that end up causing more damage than good. And if I believe & state the facts are wrong, I then have to explain why, which is exactly what I do every time. But unfortunately that is wrongly interpreted by some as Turkish fanaticism.

Now go and put that barbecue on - and remember shish kebab tastes best with two pieces of meat and one piece of fat on the skewer. :D
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:00 pm

bigOZ,

I hope you understand that there are thousands of GCs who view the Eokas (at least the Eokas of 55-59) as heroes/idealists and liberators of Cyprus. Yet I can understand TCs calling Papadopoulos an ex-Eoka man in a derogatory way, and never have thought of correcting anyone to think of it as a compliment. I can also quote you hundreds of web-sites prasing the Eokas - however the point in this forum is the personal opinion not what others say.

So correcting Kikapu to think of TMT as a compliment was interpreted as your beleif hence the attack. I am glad you say this is not hat you wanted to say, and I will even be more glad if you could confirm this is not your personal beleif about the TMTs either.

Well?
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Postby Rain » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:10 pm

You are welcome DT,I could offer you a cup of coffie as well.
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:22 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:bigOZ,

I hope you understand that there are thousands of GCs who view the Eokas (at least the Eokas of 55-59) as heroes/idealists and liberators of Cyprus. Yet I can understand TCs calling Papadopoulos an ex-Eoka man in a derogatory way, and never have thought of correcting anyone to think of it as a compliment. I can also quote you hundreds of web-sites prasing the Eokas - however the point in this forum is the personal opinion not what others say.

So correcting Kikapu to think of TMT as a compliment was interpreted as your beleif hence the attack. I am glad you say this is not hat you wanted to say, and I will even be more glad if you could confirm this is not your personal beleif about the TMTs either.

Well?

One cannot compare the activities of EOKA with those of TMT for the simple reasons I gave quoting the Greek site. Having said that, TMT is a spent organisation who no longer has any benefit to anyone at this time. Hence my personal belief is that any fanatic supporter of TMT now (if there are any - which I doubt) does not have any of my or most TCs support. I can go further and say that I would strongly be against anyone who wishes to reincarnate or provide TMT views as a political alternative at this time.

I would like to believe TMT no longer exists anyway (and even if it does - it must be so ineffective I do not hear about them) - but can you say the same about EOKA-B? This is where I fall out with people. Denying the existence and dangers of EOKA-B supporters is looked upon by TCs with suspicion. OK so some GCs may be under the mistaken belief that the presence of such a fanatic group may scare and force the TCs into an agreement - but they are very wrong. It will only help alienate them more so! That has been my argument all along in this forum.

If you read my previous posts, you would have realised I do not support any racist, fanatic group who may generate friction and fighting between TCs and GCs. But unfortunately the arguments in this forum are going on in many different areas in parallell and sometimes the issue addressed gets lost or distorted (often depending on th einterpreter).

I hope the above has cleared the air a lttle more... :D
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Re: Birkibrisli & Miltiades Proposals regarding the TCs

Postby EPSILON » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:I have asked many times how you both intend to put safe guards in place to ensure the numerical majority do not exclude, dominate, exploit, discriminate and turn Tcs into second class citizens in ther own country?

Could we have a few proposals on,

Security

Federal Structure

Land distribution

Political Balance

Settlers

Property just to get you started.

You scream we all Cypriots but you dont seem to have anything concrete to achieve this aim, unless you try to avoid declaring that TCs have to take a leap of faith and can look forward to being assimilated into the GC numerical majority, leaving them at the mercy of GCs to decide whats right and wrong, in a GC state run by GCs for GCs.



VERY CLEAR AND CONCRETE SOLUTION: CYPRUS GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT ALL , WITHOUT ANY DETUCTION, RIGHTS KURDS ARE ALOWED IN TURKEY.EVEN TO COPY THE SAME RULES AND LAW
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:31 pm

Did someone just fart???Image
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:35 pm

Rain wrote:We come with nothing and we go with nothing, in between some fools like yourself think they become something.

Are these the lyrics to the national anthem of the “TRNC”? :lol:

Yes I respect every human being what ever race, religion, colour, age and education.

So does that include the GC’s you just threatened?

If you have a problem with that please visit the KIMONA Statue at Finigulles in Larnaca .

Make that… F I N I G O U D E S …and I might make it. :)

Regarding my losses, well they are beyond your imagination,

That bad eh? So what has your IQ gone down to now? 85? :lol:

as for the Greek Cypriots becoming a minority in a week? Well my dear remember the 74 million just next door

Yes, they are actually just above Cyprus and these guys are just below…

http://www.army.gov.cy/

…and now have a guess who are in the middle… :lol:
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:51 pm

Out of interest Get Real, do you really believe in what you write - or you just instinctively respond? :?

That last paragraph + quote in your reply was the most suicidal and comical response I am yet to read in this forum. Let me tell you a joke. As you may already know the mainland Turks see the Black Sea coast occupants like the Brits see the Irish - They are called "Laz", hence the jokes...

This Laz is having a coffe with some mates in a cafe in Istanbul. All of a sudden a mafia looking guyt walks in very angry and shouts:
"Who is this guy Ahmet amongst you"
After a brief pause Laz gets up and shouts "its me! so what!"
The other guy jumps dives in and beats the shit out of Laz leaving him behind with two black eyes and a runny nose! Laz's friends are bemused and ask him:
"You bloody idiot, your name is not Ahmet - why the hell did you lie and got beat for nothing"

Laz satarted to laugh hysterically "Well, I really fooled him did I not?" :roll:
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Postby Rain » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:01 pm

On the contrary Get Real , it’s the new anthem replacing what the children in Greek schools shout every morning.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:12 pm

bigOz wrote:Out of interest Get Real, do you really believe in what you write - or you just instinctively respond? :?

That last paragraph + quote in your reply was the most suicidal and comical response I am yet to read in this forum.


I was quite serious actually. If push goes to shove this is what the initial military manpower will look like...

“Greeks” “Turks”
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
National Guard 10,000............Turkish Cypriot Soldiers 4,000
GC Reservists 88,000............TC Reservists 26,000
Greek ELDIK ?............Turkish Military 39,000
------------.............................................------------
98,000.................................................69,000
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Regards, GR.

Sorry, it keeps coming up all screwed up!
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