Now we have another clown joining the club! What is this? IDIOTS' CONVENTION for the GCs?
My intelligence and knowledge is far superior to your brainless cranium - so much so you even wish to distract the truth when it is slapping you in the face!
The source I quoted from is an international site created by mainland Greeks advertising Athen's and Greece to tourists. Within history of Athens and Greece they also included their involvement in the Cyprus conflict. If you bothered to have a really good look at the site (which you never did because it would show you a fool), you would see just how Greek it is and why it would not lie in favour of Turks. That being the case why are you still in a state of denial and scornful?
There is no point in you giving me examples of Greek Cypriot sites claiming TMT asa terrorist organisation and me quoting Turkish sites claiming the same for EOKA, because we shall both adress it as nothing but propaganda. Hence, what better source than a GREEK site?
Are you now saying Greece is making TC propaganda? Or perhaps you believe Greeks are liars - either way you end up looking a fool that you probably are!
As for BK, your tactics of divide and rule will no longer work with us! BK can express what he believes to be true from his knowledge data, and I can challenge that from mine with examples / quotes with a view of proving my side of argument (and vice versa). We might both end up learning from each other, but as always there can only be one truth AND IT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING, not in million years. Now if you read my reply to BK below you might learn more (if you have the capacity to register what you read that is)...
Birkibrisli, I have read you post with interest and have no problems with it at all except there are couple of misguided points I can enlighten you on.
Before I go on to that, I wish to inform you that both sides of my family come from Paphos and villages around it. My father was a very close associate of Dr Kucuk with Ismail Sadikoglu, and because of his loyalty to Dr Kucukhe was also one of the people persecuted when Denktash was forcibly made a hero. He never got on with any imported mainland commanders, and he lost a lot because of his "Cyprus for Cypriots" ideology. At the same time he never let go of the factthat there was an evil presence within the GC community (EOKA supporters) who wished all Turks dead. His responsibilities to his family and community came first and fought to keep TCs apart from the GCs at the time - because it had to be done. But that did not mean he hated GCs or looked at them as the enemy. In fact hhe was a prisoner of war both in 1963 and 1974, and in both cases he was saved by his GC friends and made his way to TC controlled areas!
I personally grew up believing in united Cyprus but, NOT AT ALL COSTS! Like my father before me, I also have my prioritioes lying with my family and my community's safety. Going back to your mistaken points:
It is true that TMT leaders were imposed from Turkey in 1960s, but that was because TCs had no organised military experience or skill. It ius also true that these Bayraktars and Sancaktars were more often than not fanatic idiots whose rank could not have been higher than that of sergeant's in Turkish Army. But TCs have saying "If one is drawning in the sea, they can end up hanging on to a snake to survive". Not that I claim anyone was a snake - but it is to prove the point that under the circumstances, TCs had nothing to lose and nothing else to look for support.
There is no denying that:
In January 1955, Grivas founded the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston – EOKA). On 1 April
1955
and
In 1957 the Turkish Resistance Organization (Türk Mukavemet
Teskilati – TMT), was formed to fight EOKA. In response to the
growing demand for enosis,[/b] a number of Turkish Cypriots became
convinced that the only way to protect the interests and identity of
the Turkish Cypriot population in the event of enosis would be to
divide the island into a Greek and a Turkish sector, a policy known as taksim ("partition" in Turkish).
This is confirmed by a very credible Greek site! So you can see that TMT was created as a response to EOKA and its purpose. Of course you will have national fanatics within such organisation. Of course there were the odd murderous idiots who also became members, but you can never put it in the same context as what EOKA stood for or did! They were never know as a "Terrorist organisation" by the British, Greeks or Turks - whereas the same cannot be said for EOKA. The quote from the site I've given proves that point.
As for Volkan, this from U.S Library of Congress on:
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/10.htm...after 1954 the Turkish government had become increasingly involved as the Cyprus problem became an international issue. On the island, an underground political organization known as Volkan (volcano) was formed. Volkan eventually established in 1957 the Turkish Resistance Organization (Türk Mukavemet Teskilâti--TMT), a guerrilla group that fought for Turkish Cypriot interests. In Greece, enosis was a dominant issue in politics, and pro-enosis demonstrations became commonplace in Athens. Cyprus was also bombarded with radio broadcasts from Greece pressing for enosis.
So really, its purpose and function was not any different than that of TMT. In any case TMT's activities cannot be likened to that of EOKA activities between 1963-1974.
Denktash was not in Cyprus between 1963-1968. He took over from Dr Kucuk in 1969 (if I remember correctly), that is when all Kucuk supporters including my father were exiled to different parts of the island or the world as the case may have been. By that time, GCs felt so not threatened by the TCs that they opened up the doors for the TCs to cross into / across the Greek side. No TMT or anyone else bombed the Greeks did they?
I do not dream BK! I was living in Cyprus myself between 1960 - and 1974. I do not recall any bombing of their own people by TMT at any time during this period. If I am mistaken then please quote me such events and I shall learn.
I also spent my whole summer holidays in my village Alektora (near pissuri). It was an all TC village with thousands of donums of vineyards. I spent my holidays picking up grapes and delivering them to the packing house Lanitis had at the entrance of the village (for export). During the day armed Greek police used to patrol the village in a passing Land Rover. TCs were allowed the freedom of other Cypriots in that part of the area. But just like any other village, at night fall, couple of dozen of the village youth would put on their khaki uniforms and pick up their arms, moving on to sentry duty dug in on the outskirts. I joined them when they gathered at a yard yard as young boy - all excited with the action. Come 5 am in the morning everything was back to normal again.
The whole thing was comical to me. Yes they were organised and armed by the TMT. Do you know why? Not because they intended to attack any surrounding Greek village or passers by, not because they were interested in any terrorist activity, but because they were scared shitless, that what happened in many other villages few years ago as a result of EOKA attacks, could happen to their village. The same was true for hundreds of other TC villages. That being the case, it is irrelevant or immaterial whether they had some idiot imported from Turkey as a commander or whatever. The "means" never changed the "purpose". And that is exactly why I object to wrong evaluation of TMT's true existence - something not denied even by today's Greece!
I believe these are nothing but distractions that make a solution to the Cyprus problem. Now I sit back and wait for the next barrage of "Yeah! but what about all the land we left behind?" arguments. Well, that was not exactly TCs fault or doing was it? We are talking about security for the lives of people in our community, the other side is talking about material things and property. No one gets nothing until they guarantee the safety of TCs in a unified Cyprus. The way it is at the moment, no one in TC - left or right of the political spectrum - believes that the South in its current political status can guarantee that. If you wish to know why, we can start a new thread on that one.
