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[bigOz]

Ode to Kikapu and anyone else in this forum who have fallen into the net of GC propaganda relating to TMT:
Kikapu, the reason why VP does not get offended by you calling him TMT is because, contrary to brainwashing currently going on, you are actually complimenting.

For someone who claims to be a TC ,one would have wished you did more research into your own past before taking up sides, as a direct result of heated exchanges with one or two other TCs who may have expressed their opinion in a more heated way.

TO CLEAR THE SUBJECT OF TMT ONCE AND FOR ALL I am quoting from a Greek site promoting Athen's Greece:
For full details see: http://www.athensinfoguide.com/history/ ... mpaign.htm

In January 1955, Grivas founded the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston – EOKA). On 1 April
1955, EOKA opened a campaign against British rule in a
well-coordinated series of attacks on police, military, and other
government installations in Nicosia, Famagusta, Larnaca and
Limassol. This resulted in the deaths of over 100 British servicemen
and personnel and Greek Cypriots suspected of collaboration.

In 1957 the Turkish Resistance Organization (Türk Mukavemet
Teskilati – TMT), was formed to fight EOKA. In response to the
growing demand for enosis,[/b] a number of Turkish Cypriots became
convinced that the only way to protect the interests and identity of
the Turkish Cypriot population in the event of enosis would be to
divide the island into a Greek and a Turkish sector, a policy known as taksim ("partition" in Turkish).

By now the island was on the verge of civil war. In December 1958, representatives of Greece and Turkey discussed the concept of an independent Cyprus, i.e., neither enosis nor taksim. Subsequent talks yielded a compromise agreement supporting independence, laying the foundations of the Republic of Cyprus. In London, the Greek and Turkish representatives were joined by representatives of the Greek Cypriots, the Turkish Cypriots (represented by Dr. Fazil Kucuk), and the British.

The Zurich-London agreements that became the basis for the Cyprus constitution of 1960 were supplemented with three treaties - the Treaty of Establishment, the Treaty of Guarantee and the Treaty of Alliance. Greek Cypriots, especially members of organizations such as EOKA, expressed disappointment because enosis had not been attained. Turkish Cypriots, however, welcomed the agreements and set aside their demand for taksim.

This is just one proof of many misleading facts created by some fanatic GCs. The truth is, all TCs and VP are aware of the true identity and history of TMT. When they read baseless claims perpetuauted by false propaganda how do you expect them to react?

Now, shall we begin again from the start?

[Pyrpolizer]

Do you mean to say the degree of your ignorance is such that you need Greek sources to learn what exactly TMT was? Or are you trying to digest the Turkish propaganda that the Eokas were terrorists and the TMTs pigeons /brave resistence fighters?

If yes all you have to do is ask Birkibrisli to explain you what TMT actually was.


NB. And you claim you are here to clear the subject once and for all and for everybody? Man you are a joke! I wonder what will happen to you after you realize it

[T_C]

No Pyro, he needs Greek sources to prove his point since most people in here will challange anything they can unless it comes from a Greek source....

[Get Real!]

NB. And you claim you are here to clear the subject once and for all and for everybody? Man you are a joke! I wonder what will happen to you after you realize it

Nice to see good old Pyro back in business as usual...

[Get Real!]

Majority and Minority
For all who talk about the Greeks being the majority in Cyprus I will like to remind them that it will only take a week for them to be in minority here is this what they want?

Why don't you expand on that possums?

[zan]

NB. And you claim you are here to clear the subject once and for all and for everybody? Man you are a joke! I wonder what will happen to you after you realize it

Nice to see good old Pyro back in business as usual...

What do you expect an arsehole to do. It produces shit....Are you that shocked.

[DT.]

That's very funny VP puts the issue of settlers and land distribution among the prerequisites to feel first class citizen.

Listen crooky. Land you get whatever you inherited from your parents, not whatever I INHERITED from my parents. Settlers is the mistake of Turkey and Turkey should take care of it, I really don't care how as long as it is not on my expense.

Btw I did not even bother to read the rest of your topic, as I was actually looking for what B's and M's proposal was, and all i saw was your own usual crap.

welcome back big man.

[Rain]

Get Real
Possums is a word that could not be found in any dictionary, try something else.

[BirKibrisli]

Ode to Kikapu and anyone else in this forum who have fallen into the net of GC propaganda relating to TMT:
Kikapu, the reason why VP does not get offended by you calling him TMT is because, contrary to brainwashing currently going on, you are actually complimenting.

For someone who claims to be a TC ,one would have wished you did more research into your own past before taking up sides, as a direct result of heated exchanges with one or two other TCs who may have expressed their opinion in a more heated way.

TO CLEAR THE SUBJECT OF TMT ONCE AND FOR ALL I am quoting from a Greek site promoting Athen's Greece:
For full details see: http://www.athensinfoguide.com/history/ ... mpaign.htm

In January 1955, Grivas founded the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston – EOKA). On 1 April
1955, EOKA opened a campaign against British rule in a
well-coordinated series of attacks on police, military, and other
government installations in Nicosia, Famagusta, Larnaca and
Limassol. This resulted in the deaths of over 100 British servicemen
and personnel and Greek Cypriots suspected of collaboration.

In 1957 the Turkish Resistance Organization (Türk Mukavemet
Teskilati – TMT), was formed to fight EOKA. In response to the
growing demand for enosis,[/b] a number of Turkish Cypriots became
convinced that the only way to protect the interests and identity of
the Turkish Cypriot population in the event of enosis would be to
divide the island into a Greek and a Turkish sector, a policy known as taksim ("partition" in Turkish).

By now the island was on the verge of civil war. In December 1958, representatives of Greece and Turkey discussed the concept of an independent Cyprus, i.e., neither enosis nor taksim. Subsequent talks yielded a compromise agreement supporting independence, laying the foundations of the Republic of Cyprus. In London, the Greek and Turkish representatives were joined by representatives of the Greek Cypriots, the Turkish Cypriots (represented by Dr. Fazil Kucuk), and the British.

The Zurich-London agreements that became the basis for the Cyprus constitution of 1960 were supplemented with three treaties - the Treaty of Establishment, the Treaty of Guarantee and the Treaty of Alliance. Greek Cypriots, especially members of organizations such as EOKA, expressed disappointment because enosis had not been attained. Turkish Cypriots, however, welcomed the agreements and set aside their demand for taksim.

This is just one proof of many misleading facts created by some fanatic GCs. The truth is, all TCs and VP are aware of the true identity and history of TMT. When they read baseless claims perpetuauted by false propaganda how do you expect them to react?

Now, shall we begin again from the start?

I know the official history of the EOKA and the TMT,bigOZ...
I will let others (preferably GCs talk about the rights and wrongs of EOKA)
but let me tell you a few things about TMT...The movement which produced TMT started much earlier,after the 2nd world war...It was a political movement called Volkan,and it s aims were to safeguard TC interests in case of a British withdrawal.My father was one of the founders of Volkan...when it was decided that an underground fighting force was necessary to combat any possible aggression from GCs TMT was founded...My father was a regional commmader in the Paphos area (he was also a teacher) and I remember our house in Yalya turned into an arms depot,with us kids as the guardians and protectors of the loot...Many a night I lay in bed snuggling up to handguns,stenguns,and granades,while British soldiers serched our house...Being British they never thought to look under the doona of a sleeping child or a sick (!) woman...and they never found the arms...while TMT was under the control of Dr Kuchuk and A>M>Berberoglu (my father's side) it functioned pretty much as was intended...But when Turkey decided that they needed "real action men" to run TMT Rauf Denktash and Burhan Nalbantoglu took over...Turkey threatened to kill Kuchuk and his supporters if they resisted,so they didn't...soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition...This is when my father,who was an honorable man,fell out with Denktash and Co and he was on their hitlist for a while...In fact Father was on the hitlist of EOKA as well,as they rightly suspected that he was the area commander in Paphos...But when the hitman finally arrived he was from the TMT,but by divine intervention,he turned out to be one of my father's former students...So instead of killing him he warned him of the danger,and I remember a time when we were on the move all the time to avoid a second hitman...
So dear, bigOz,I owe my exile to Australia to the TMT more than the EOKA...
This does not mean that TMT did nothing good for the TCs...or that all members were murderous thugs...But the leaders were,and they were kept in check somehow by the Turkish colonel in charge of TMT during the early 60s (Kemal Coskun code named Bayraktar,who was withdrawn to Turkey after the 67 events)...sorry to disappoint you,bigOz,but after more than 50 years of keeping silent about these things,I have earned the right to talk...It is upto you to believe me or not...But ask yourself,what motivation would I have to make all this up???All this information is in the public arena these days anyway...Read Arif Hasan Tahsin Hoca's column in Afrika and you will learn the truth about the TMT...warts and all...I want to stress the point that most underground organisations like TMT eventually end up serving the interests of those who control them,and not the general community interests...TMT was conrolled by Denktash locally and Turkey overseas,so it ended up serving their interests...In the process many good,honorable people who wanted to serve the interest of the TC people or the interests of all Cypriots were killed or sent into exile...I know you mean well,bigOz,and sorry once again if I woke you up from the dream imposed by Denktash and Co's propaganda machine...

[Pyrpolizer]

No Pyro, he needs Greek sources to prove his point since most people in here will challange anything they can unless it comes from a Greek source....

And his point was????

Man I bet you as well did not get it. That guy claimed it was an honour to be "a brave resistance TMT fighter" and tried to back up his claim from the so called official line of explanation that the TMT was presumably a reaction to Eoka's formation with the aim of fighting Eoka. It was not at all like that. Birkibrisli explained it fine, both organisations were murdering Terrorist organisations, both with a specific AGENDA, both were working and making plans as to what they would do to our Country AS SOON AS THE BRITISH WOULD LEAVE. The one to unite it with Greece and the other to partition it.

What I strongly object (and Birkibrisli proved it beyond any doubt-thanks my friend) is this Atca mentality of trying to portray the TMTs as heroes, and an honour for a TC to be one. Mind you we have the GC equivalent Eoka mentality among us, but so far very few GCs tried to impose such ideas in such a forum. The last one who dropped in here with such views (by the nick scotseza) was kicked out from here within 24 hours. What are you TCs doing when the same happens from your people? Just watching?

Both were a disgrace, and they were the 2 groups that lead our country to catastrophy.