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[DT.]

is halil a machine?

no

well he replies like one. Is he the Turkminator?

[LENA]

is halil a machine?

no

well he replies like one. Is he the Turkminator?

DT glad to see you in a good mood...but i will give you again the same answer...no

But i will better leave him to speak for him self!!

[bigOz]

Hey Halil, there is also the argument that TCs are not really Ottoman settlers but mostly GCs that became Muslims during the Ottoman rule. TCs reject this argument?

Greek Cypriots:

Greek Cypriots formed the island's largest ethnic community, nearly 80 percent of the island's population. They were the descendants of Achaean Greeks who settled on the island during the second half of the second millennium B.C. The island gradually became part of the Hellenic world as the settlers prospered over the next centuries . Alexander the Great freed the island from the Persians and annexed it to his own empire in 333 B.C.. Roman rule dating from 58 B.C. did not erase Greek ways and language, and after the division of the Roman Empire in A.D. 285 Cypriots enjoyed peace and national freedom for 300 years under the jurisdiction of the Eastern Empire of Byzantium . The most important event of the early Byzantine period was that the Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus became independent no in 431. Beginning in the middle of the seventh century, Cyprus endured three centuries of Arab attacks and invasions. In A.D. 965, it became a province of Byzantium, and remained in that status for the next 200 years.

The Byzantine era profoundly molded Cypriot culture. The Greek Orthodox Christian legacy bestowed on Greek Cypriots in this period would live on during the succeeding centuries of oppressive foreign domination. English, Lusignan, and Venetian feudal lords ruled Cyprus with no lasting impact on its culture .Because Cyprus was never the final goal of any external ambition, but simply fell under the domination of whichever power was dominant in the eastern Mediterranean, destroying its civilization was never a military objective or necessity.

Nor did the long period of Ottoman rule (1570-1878) change Greek Cypriot culture .The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Constantinople by the Archbishop of the Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head, or ethnarch.

However tolerant Ottoman rule may have been with regard to religion, it was otherwise generally harsh and rapacious, tempered mainly by inefficiency. Turkish settlers suffered alongside their Greek Cypriot neighbors, and the two groups endured together centuries of oppressive governance from Constantinople.

In the light of intercommunal conflict since the mid-1950s, it is surprising that Cypriot Muslims and Christians generally lived harmoniously. Some Christian villages converted to Islam. In many places, Turks settled next to Greeks. The island evolved into a demographic mosaic of Greek and Turkish villages, as well as many mixed communities . The extent of this symbiosis could be seen in the two groups' participation in commercial and religious fairs, pilgrimages to each other's shrines, and the occurrence, albeit rare, of intermarriage despite Islamic and Greek laws to the contrary. There was also the extreme case of the linobambakoi (linen-cottons), villagers who practiced the rites of both religions and had a Christian as well as a Muslim name. In the minds of some, such religious syncretism indicates that religion was not a source of conflict in traditional Cypriot society.

The rise of Greek nationalism in the 1820s and 1830s affected Greek Cypriots, but for the rest of the century these sentiments were limited to the educated. The concept of enosis--unification with the Greek motherland, by then an independent country after freeing itself from Ottoman rule--became important to literate Greek Cypriots. A movement for the realization of enosis gradually formed, in which the Church of Cyprus had a dominant role.

During British rule (1878-1960), the desire for enosis intensified. The British brought an efficient and honest colonial administration, but maintained the millet system. Government and education were administered along ethnic lines, accentuating differences. For example, the education system was organized with two Boards of Education, one Greek and one Turkish, controlled by Athens and İstanbul, respectively. The resulting education emphasized linguistic, religious, cultural, and ethnic differences and ignored traditional ties between the two Cypriot communities. The two groups were encouraged to view themselves as extensions of their respective motherlands, and the development of two distinct nationalities with antagonistic loyalties was ensured.

By the 1950s, the growing attraction of enosis for ever larger segments of Greek Cypriot society caused a Turkish Cypriot reaction, a desire for taksim--partition of the island--for the smaller ethnic community had well-founded reasons for fearing rule from the Greek mainland. In the mid-1950s, Greek Cypriot agitation for enosis went beyond manifestos and demonstrations, and Turkish Cypriots responded in kind Emergency , Within 33years, the island was tragically divided.

Yet another great post Halil! Well done for taking the time and bothering to be so informative. I only wish some people would seriously read these posts before starting to call others "brainwashed" and evaluating the current situation based on their narrow perception...

[halil]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

[DT.]

Hey Halil, there is also the argument that TCs are not really Ottoman settlers but mostly GCs that became Muslims during the Ottoman rule. TCs reject this argument?

Greek Cypriots:

Greek Cypriots formed the island's largest ethnic community, nearly 80 percent of the island's population. They were the descendants of Achaean Greeks who settled on the island during the second half of the second millennium B.C. The island gradually became part of the Hellenic world as the settlers prospered over the next centuries . Alexander the Great freed the island from the Persians and annexed it to his own empire in 333 B.C.. Roman rule dating from 58 B.C. did not erase Greek ways and language, and after the division of the Roman Empire in A.D. 285 Cypriots enjoyed peace and national freedom for 300 years under the jurisdiction of the Eastern Empire of Byzantium . The most important event of the early Byzantine period was that the Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus became independent no in 431. Beginning in the middle of the seventh century, Cyprus endured three centuries of Arab attacks and invasions. In A.D. 965, it became a province of Byzantium, and remained in that status for the next 200 years.

The Byzantine era profoundly molded Cypriot culture. The Greek Orthodox Christian legacy bestowed on Greek Cypriots in this period would live on during the succeeding centuries of oppressive foreign domination. English, Lusignan, and Venetian feudal lords ruled Cyprus with no lasting impact on its culture .Because Cyprus was never the final goal of any external ambition, but simply fell under the domination of whichever power was dominant in the eastern Mediterranean, destroying its civilization was never a military objective or necessity.

Nor did the long period of Ottoman rule (1570-1878) change Greek Cypriot culture .The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Constantinople by the Archbishop of the Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head, or ethnarch.

However tolerant Ottoman rule may have been with regard to religion, it was otherwise generally harsh and rapacious, tempered mainly by inefficiency. Turkish settlers suffered alongside their Greek Cypriot neighbors, and the two groups endured together centuries of oppressive governance from Constantinople.

In the light of intercommunal conflict since the mid-1950s, it is surprising that Cypriot Muslims and Christians generally lived harmoniously. Some Christian villages converted to Islam. In many places, Turks settled next to Greeks. The island evolved into a demographic mosaic of Greek and Turkish villages, as well as many mixed communities . The extent of this symbiosis could be seen in the two groups' participation in commercial and religious fairs, pilgrimages to each other's shrines, and the occurrence, albeit rare, of intermarriage despite Islamic and Greek laws to the contrary. There was also the extreme case of the linobambakoi (linen-cottons), villagers who practiced the rites of both religions and had a Christian as well as a Muslim name. In the minds of some, such religious syncretism indicates that religion was not a source of conflict in traditional Cypriot society.

The rise of Greek nationalism in the 1820s and 1830s affected Greek Cypriots, but for the rest of the century these sentiments were limited to the educated. The concept of enosis--unification with the Greek motherland, by then an independent country after freeing itself from Ottoman rule--became important to literate Greek Cypriots. A movement for the realization of enosis gradually formed, in which the Church of Cyprus had a dominant role.

During British rule (1878-1960), the desire for enosis intensified. The British brought an efficient and honest colonial administration, but maintained the millet system. Government and education were administered along ethnic lines, accentuating differences. For example, the education system was organized with two Boards of Education, one Greek and one Turkish, controlled by Athens and İstanbul, respectively. The resulting education emphasized linguistic, religious, cultural, and ethnic differences and ignored traditional ties between the two Cypriot communities. The two groups were encouraged to view themselves as extensions of their respective motherlands, and the development of two distinct nationalities with antagonistic loyalties was ensured.

By the 1950s, the growing attraction of enosis for ever larger segments of Greek Cypriot society caused a Turkish Cypriot reaction, a desire for taksim--partition of the island--for the smaller ethnic community had well-founded reasons for fearing rule from the Greek mainland. In the mid-1950s, Greek Cypriot agitation for enosis went beyond manifestos and demonstrations, and Turkish Cypriots responded in kind Emergency , Within 33years, the island was tragically divided.

Yet another great post Halil! Well done for taking the time and bothering to be so informative. I only wish some people would seriously read these posts before starting to call others "brainwashed" and evaluating the current situation based on their narrow perception...

listen, even though i agree as well that his posts are very informative (even though i may not agree with some of them) with the way he responds you gotta ask if there's some sort of software behind Halil.

[DT.]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

[halil]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

u are right about my english.i told u about my carrier.i have a big sources with me. i am not hiding my identity like most of u do.our web site is their.my mail is there.i am using my own name as well nothing to afraid.

[EPSILON]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

u are right about my english.i told u about my carrier.i have a big sources with me. i am not hiding my identity like most of u do.our web site is their.my mail is there.i am using my own name as well nothing to afraid.

Well , despite who Halil is , considering that he is Turk or TC, we have to accept that ,at least, he has not a fanatic view on the subject.

[bigOz]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

u are right about my english.i told u about my carrier.i have a big sources with me. i am not hiding my identity like most of u do.our web site is their.my mail is there.i am using my own name as well nothing to afraid.

Well , despite who Halil is , considering that he is Turk or TC, we have to accept that ,at least, he has not a fanatic view on the subject.

I would have thought not many TCs do!

DT wrote:

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

DT, are you really that slow in realising the man is posting from a quote based on a foreign historian? Of course, the content, and hence, the language would not be his - would it? Sometimes you come up with things just for the sake of an argument and nothing else.

Furthermore, who cares what you might agree to or not? Since when has your views been more credible than those of international historians?

[DT.]

is halil a machine?

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history.i am not stuck with one idea. i am trying to show all of u .that there is 2 sides in cyprus.u have to read what the otherside says about otherside than u can find better solution.

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

u are right about my english.i told u about my carrier.i have a big sources with me. i am not hiding my identity like most of u do.our web site is their.my mail is there.i am using my own name as well nothing to afraid.

Well , despite who Halil is , considering that he is Turk or TC, we have to accept that ,at least, he has not a fanatic view on the subject.

I would have thought not many TCs do!

DT wrote:

I'm guessing by your english on this post that you're not the one writing those long historical posts

DT, are you really that slow in realising the man is posting from a quote based on a foreign historian? Of course, the content, and hence, the language would not be his - would it? Sometimes you come up with things just for the sake of an argument and nothing else.

Furthermore, who cares what you might agree to or not? Since when has your views been more credible than those of international historians?

there you go with the insults again littleOz.

The reason I queried him was cause he said

İ am writing only right things....... i am working at the broadcasting sector.i have to write balanced history

And your opinion doesn't matter as to whether my opinion does little man.