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[YeReVaN]

Listen little buddy, Karaback have always been Armenian land. The proof is in Karaback. There are churches, ancient scriptured that proove that Armenians lived there for thousans of years. Way before Azerbaijani state was created. Just because Stalin decided to give a peace of Armenian land (karaback) to Azeri's as a gesture, doesn't mean it has been Azeri land for thousands of years. I've seen Azeri terror first hand. I saw how Azeri soldiers would attack Armenian homes in Karaback at night and kill the families. I saw how they would pick out Armenians in the buses take them out and beat them up to death. I saw all those atrocities that Azeris did to Armenians, so don't say Armenians occupied land. It is our land, it was our land even before there was an Azeri race. We have villaged, churches that date back thousand of years. Do you have any evidence that Turks lived in Cyprus. Guess not there little buddy.

[Turkey (( *]

Yerevan you are seriously messed up! If we were to give you people land you would ask for more and say the whole world is yours and has signs that Armenians lived there and here and all! By the way learn some maths little boy I think you are literate enough to compare 3 million to 70 million as garbitsch said! About the genocide why were there high ranked Armenian officials in the Ottoman Empire?? If there was a genocide why wouldn't they(the officials) be killed?? What was the reason behind it and yerevan let me guess are you gonna say that my government wants me to think like that well some Ottoman reports were found and published on the newspapers a few months ago, I think it is time for you to start to think some reasons and not give cheap responses!!!!

[YeReVaN]

You think all those peaople don't know what they are talking about?

) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.

2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world’s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the “incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide” and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas’s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity





HOW ABOUT THESE

To Honor the 50th Anniversary of the U.N. Genocide Convention

We Commemorate the Armenian Genocide of 1915 and Condemn the Turkish Government's Denial of this Crime Against Humanity. On April 24, 1915, the Young Turk government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic, premeditated genocide of the Armenian people -- an unarmed Christian minority living under Turkish rule. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. Another million fled into permanent exile. Thus an ancient civilization was expunged from its homeland of 2,500 years.

The Armenian Genocide was the most dramatic human rights issue of the time and was reported regularly in newspapers across the U.S.. The Armenian Genocide is abundantly documented by Ottoman court-martial records, by hundreds of thousands of documents in the archives of the United States and nations around the world, by witness reports of missionaries and diplomats, by the testimony of survivors, and by eight decades of historical scholarship.

After 83 years the Turkish government continues to deny the genocide of the Armenians by blaming the victims and undermining historical fact with false rhetoric. Books about the genocide are banned in Turkey. The words "Armenian" and "Greek" are nonexistent in Turkish descriptions of ancient or Christian artifacts and monuments in Turkey. Turkey's efforts to sanitize its history now include the funding of chairs in Turkish studies -- with strings attached -- at American universities.

It is essential to remember that ... --When Raphael Lemkin coined the word genocide in 1944 he cited the 1915 annihilation of the Armenians as a seminal example of genocide. --The United Nations, the European Parliament, the Association of Genocide Scholars, the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), and the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have reaffirmed the extermination of the Armenians by the Turkish government as genocide by the definition of the 1048 United Nations Genocide Convention.

Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to demonize the victims and rehabilitate the perpetrators. Denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide. It is what Elie Weisel has called a "double killing." Denial murders the dignity of the survivors and seeks to destroy remembrance of the crime. In a century plagued by genocide, we affirm the moral necessity of remembering.

We denounce as morally and intellectually corrupt the Turkish government's denial of the Armenian genocide. We condemn Turkey's manipulation of the American government and American institutions for the purpose of denying the Armenian genocide. We urge our government officials, scholars, and the media to refrain from using evasive or euphemistic terminology to appease the Turkish government; we ask them to refer to the 1915 annihilation of the Armenians as genocide.

This statement has been signed by more than 150 distinguished scholars and writers, including:

K. Anthony Appiah Michael Arlen James Axtell Ben Badikian Houston Baker Peter Balakian Mary Catherine Bateson Yehuda Bauer Robert N. Bellah Norman Birnbaum Peter Brooks Robert McAffee Brown Christopher Browning Frank Chalk Israel W. Charny Ward Churchill Rev. William Sloane Coffin Vahakn Dadrian David Brion Davis James Der Derian Marjorie Housepian Dobkin Jean Bethke Elshtain Kai Erikson Craig Etcheson Helen Fein Lawrence J. Friedman William Cass Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Carol Gilligen Langdom Gilkey Daniel Goldhagen Vigen Guroian Geoffrey Hartman Seamus Heaney Judith Herman Raul Hilberg Richard G. Hovannisian Kurt Jonahsson Alfred Kazin Steven Kepnes Ben Kiernan Robert Jay Lifton Deborah E. Lipstadt Norman Mailer Eric Markusen Robert Melson W.S. Merwin Arthur Miller Henry Morgenthau III Joyce Carol Oates Grace Paley Harold Pinter Robert A. Pois Francis B. Randall Nicholas V. Riasanovsky Leo P. Ribuffo David Riesman Nathan A. Scott Christopher Simpson Susan Sontag Roger Smith Max L. Stackhouse Charles B. Strozler Rose Styron William Styron Ronald Suny Raymond Tanter D. M. Thomas John Updike Kurt Vonnegut Derek Walcott Cornel West Howard Zinn

And in 2000, 126 Holocaust scholars signed a similar petition published in the Jerusalem Post, shown above


You are in a complete denial. How come the whole world is saying one thing and only Turkey is saying another? Think about it. Those are International Scholar who have studies Genocide for years using international archives.

[Saint Jimmy]

Guys (from Turkey), I have a question.
The Times article I pasted in the previous page pretty much says that, genocide or not, it is inexplicable why Turkey would cancel the Historian Conference at the Bosphorus University (if they truly believe that they are right).

How would you explain it?

P.S.: Yerevan, please spare me your explanation. I already know what you're going to say.

[YeReVaN]

No problem, by the way I'm very interested to hear the answear because I've asked that question several times, but I did not get any reasonable answer.

[Murtaza]

why Turkey would cancel the Historian Conference at the Bosphorus University

They didnt, Cemil Çicek said they are backstabing Turkey, And univercity itself postponed.(Not canceled infact)

And All people, Gül, Erdoğan,First Army Commander Gen. Hurşit Tolon,Higher Education Board (YÖK) Chairman Erdoğan Teziç,The Speaker of the Turkish Parliament Bulent Arinc . All of them said, this conference should be made.



'Provided there is no advocation of violence, everyone can discuss their views, including extreme opinions, within the framework of the Constitution and the law,' says the foreign minister

Gül said, adding that academics who would have participated in the conference have already shared their views with the Turkish public via interviews with Turkish dailies. (what they would said is already known)

First Army Commander Gen. Hurşit Tolon said on Saturday that there was nothing in its history Turkey needed to be ashamed of, adding, “Don't be upset when you listen to those who are trying to blacken Turkey's history with biased and baseless information.”

Speaking during a visit to Gallipoli Tolon said all archives were open and that Turks would continue to be proud of what their ancestors had achieved.


Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said over the weekend that a postponed Armenian conference at Boğaziçi University should have been held, noting that people need not fear the opinions of others.

“We should never forget that those who believe in their opinions should never be afraid of expressing them," adding that the views of the participants at the conference should have been heard.

Arinc noted that the conference should be accepted in the frame of freedom of speech and added: "Even if I do not like it, the speeches should not be prevented."


So stupidy is not banned at our law. And this is complately an act of stupidy. Cemil Cicek gived most harm to us.

And noone but noone supported him, He is only one man.

And some people who would join conference, accused Cemil Çiçek to court because He said them backstaber.

If they are too afraid of him, how can they accuse him?

That is all I can say about this topic.

Infact Erdogan made a proposal to Armenian President, a search should be made for genocide by Turkish, armenian, and other historian, and they should decide which is true. But no reply.




By the way, Yerevan no need to reply, I dont think I can have a sensible conversation with you.

[YeReVaN]

You still did not answear the question. Please if someone other than Martaza could answear the question, it would be much apreciated.

[Turkey (( *]

Is that because he always gives answers against your views?? Somebody else would definately post a reply if they had different views but it seems like they all share the same view as Murtaza, and that includes me. I undoubtly agree with him, anybody else who doesn't agree can write their views ppl go ahead...

[Saint Jimmy]

OK Murtaza, I can understand that.

Here's another question, then: this guy who postponed (not cancelled) the Conference (the one who said they plan to backstab Turkey) is the University's head, right? So, if everyone else is against him and feels that the Conference should, in fact, take place, why don't they organise it in another University? Why does it have to be at the Bosphorus University?

[Murtaza]

OK Murtaza, I can understand that.

Here's another question, then: this guy who postponed (not cancelled) the Conference (the one who said they plan to backstab Turkey) is the University's head, right? So, if everyone else is against him and feels that the Conference should, in fact, take place, why don't they organise it in another University? Why does it have to be at the Bosphorus University?

The one who say they are backstabing is not the one postpone conference.

Cemil Cicek is minister of justice, he talked at parlement.
But this conference has another a big problem. Standart Turks dont like it also. They just afraid from protests.

They should overcome with the protest of people too. Because they called noone, even one people who is against genocide.Infact Their ideas about Genocide is known in Turkey, Protests are against their undemocratical conference. If they call some people who are against genocide, I am sure noone will had enough courage to tell about this bacstabing bulshit.

they can write articles about genocide.
so why they get that much protest?

You thinks, they couldnt express themself, because there is not conference. That is wrong, Their ideas are already expressed by articles, they write.