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[Murtaza]

Yarevan he want to say, you gained your independence without war.

[2fan]

I suggested that Russia gave you the land after the break up of the Soviet government. The only reason you got it is because Russia couldn't afford Armenia after the economy was bancrupt. Did you fight the Russians for it?
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You say a lot of things that you don't know. So where did Armenians live before the break of Soviet Union. What was present day Armenian called during the Soviet era? Was it called something else?

It doesn't matter what it was called. It was Soviet property.

[YeReVaN]

I suggested that Russia gave you the land after the break up of the Soviet government. The only reason you got it is because Russia couldn't afford Armenia after the economy was bancrupt. Did you fight the Russians for it?
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You say a lot of things that you don't know. So where did Armenians live before the break of Soviet Union. What was present day Armenian called during the Soviet era? Was it called something else?

It doesn't matter what it was called. It was Soviet property.

It was called Armenia. Did the Soviets give the land to Azerbaihan too?
During the Soviet era both counties were called Soviet Armenia and Soviet Azerbaijan. Russians could not make those lands their property because it was the property of those nations who lived there. They had their own launguange and their own culture. Yes it was under Soviet rule, but that does not mean that Soviets just gave those lands after the break up. They could no keep those lands and make it Russia.

[Murtaza]

that is nonsense argument. If I am not wrong Armenians fought against russia before occupation.

So they showed their courage. No need to discuss, this things.

[2fan]

I suggested that Russia gave you the land after the break up of the Soviet government. The only reason you got it is because Russia couldn't afford Armenia after the economy was bancrupt. Did you fight the Russians for it?
_________________

You say a lot of things that you don't know. So where did Armenians live before the break of Soviet Union. What was present day Armenian called during the Soviet era? Was it called something else?

It doesn't matter what it was called. It was Soviet property.

It was called Armenia. Did the Soviets give the land to Azerbaihan too?
During the Soviet era both counties were called Soviet Armenia and Soviet Azerbaijan. Russians could not make those lands their property because it was the property of those nations who lived there. They had their own launguange and their own culture. Yes it was under Soviet rule, but that does not mean that Soviets just gave those lands after the break up. They could no keep those lands and make it Russia.

Yerevan,
Shut up already. You're on ignore. Geeeeez Cenen Kopsun = may mouth fall off

[YeReVaN]

Who the hell are you to tell met to shut up. You couldn't hold your argument. You say I lot of crap that you don't even know about. Go back to sleep little kid.

[YeReVaN]

[YeReVaN]

Recipients of Turkish Government Money
From Armeniapedia.org
ITS, stands for the Turkish Studies Institute, in Washington D.C., honorary chairman, the Turkish Ambassador to the U.S.. The Institute's purpose is to counter Armenian activity at the "academic level" and to act as a pro-Turkey lobbying group.

ARIT, stands for the American Research Institute in Turkey.

The number in ( ) stands for the number of monetary grants by either ITS, or ARIT to the "scholar", and the items between [ ] indicate the total number of grants to the rest of the College or University the "scholars" are affiliated with.

Note the names on this list are the Scholars Who Signed No-Genocide Ad

Abu El Haj, Rifaat Cal. St. Univ, Long Beach ITS(1)
Atis, Sara Univ. of Wisc @ Madison ITS(1), [ITS(8)]
Barbir, Karl K. Siena Coll. (NY) Arab-Ottoman Studies
Basgoz,Ilhan Indiana Univ. ITS(3), ARIT(2), [ITS(8)]
Bates, Daniel Hunter Coll., Univ of NY [ITS(1)]
Bates, Ulku Hunter Coll., Univ of NY ARIT(1), [ITS(1)]
Bayerle, Gustav Indiana Univ. ARIT(1), [ITS(8)]
Bodrogligetti, Andras UCLA ITS(1), [ITS(4)]
Burrill, Kathleen Columbia University ITS(8), ARIT(1), [ITS(9)]
Childs, Timothy SAIS, John Hopkins Univ. 19th-20th century Ottoman history
Daulet, Shafiga Univ. of Conn. [ITS(4)]
Davison, Roderic Geo. Wash. Univ. ARIT(1)
Denny, Walter Univ. of Mass. ARIT(1)
Duben, Alan Anthropoliogist
Ervin, Ellen N.Y. Univ. ITS(1), [ITS(6)]
Farah, Caesar Univ. of Minn. ITS(1)
Findley, Carter Ohio State. Univ. ITS(2), ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
Finefrock, Michael Coll. of Charleston 20th century Turkish history
Fisher, Alan Mich. State Univ. ARIT(1), [ITS(1)]
Fleischer, Cornell Wash. Univ, Misssouri 16th-17th century Ottoman history
Golden, Peter Rutgers Univ.
Goodrich, Tom Indiana Univ of Penn. 16th century Ottoman history
Gould, Andres Historian
Griswald, Willaim Colo. State Univ. ARIT(1)
Halasi-Kun, Tibor Columbia Univ. ITS(3), [ITS(10)]
Hickman, William UCAL, Berkeley ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
Hurewitz, J.C. Columbia Univ (ret) ITS(10)
Hymes, John Glenville State Col., W. Va. 19th-20th Century Ottoman history
Inalcik, Halil Univ. of Chicago ITS(1), [ARIT(9)]
Jaeckel, Ralph UCLA [ITS(4)]
Jennings, Ronald Univ. of Illinois ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
Kelly, James Univ. of Utah ITS(2), ARIT(1), [ITS(5)]
Key, Kerim Southeastern Univ. 19th-20th Century Ottoman history
Kunt, Metin Ottoman history
Latimer, Frederick Univ. of Utah (ret.) Ottoman history
Levy, Avigdor Brandies Univ. ARIT(1), [ITS(7)]
Lewis, Bernard Princeton Univ. [ITS(3)]
Lowry, Heath Inst. of Turkish Studies ARIT(2)
McCarthy, Justin Univ of Louisville ITS(1), ARIT(1)
Mandaville, Jon Portland State Univ. ARIT(1), [ITS(2)]
Meeker, Michael UCAL San Diego Turkish studies
Murphy, Rhodes Columbia Univ. ITS(1), ARIT(1), [[ITS(10)]
Naff, Thomas Univ. of Penn. [ITS(9)]
Oberling, Pierre Hunter Coll., Univ of NY ITS(1), [ITS(1)]
Ochsenwald, William Va. Polytech Inst. ARIT(1)
Olson, Robert Univ. of Kentucky 18th-20th century Turkish history
Peachy, William Ohio State University ARIT(2)
Quataert, Sonald Univ of Huston ITS(2), ARIT(1), [ITS(2)]
Reed, Howard Univ. of Conn. ITS(1), [ITS(5)]
Rustow, Dankart City Univ of NY ITS(1)
Shaw, Ezel Kural Cal. State Univ, Nothridge 19th century Ottoman history
Shaw, Stanford UCLA ITS(1), ARIT(2), [ITS(4)]
Smith, Elaine Foreign Service (ret.) Modern Turkey
Smith, Grace UCAL, Berkeley ITS(1), ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
Smith, John Masson UCAL, Berkeley ARIT(1), [ITS(3)]
Soucek, Svat ARIT(1)
Staab, Robert Univ. of Utah [ITS(5)]
Starr, June SUNY Stoneybrook Anthropologist
Stewart-Robinson, James Univ. of Mich. [ITS(3)]
Stoddard, Phllip Middle East Institute, (Dir.) ITS(3)
Tachau, Frank Univ. of Illinois ITS(1), ARIT(2), [ITS(3)]
Tamkoc, Metin Texas Tech [ITS(1)]
Thomas, David RI College ARIT(2)
Yenzke, M.L. Dickinson College ARIT(1)
Walker, Warren Texas Tech [ITS(1)]
Webster, Walter Rutgers Univ. 1930's Turkish History
Woods, John Univ. of Chicago [ITS(9)]
Zilfi, Madeline Univ of Maryland ARIT(2)

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sources for the above chart: Middle East Studies Association Bulletins, Directory of American Scholars, and the Ottoman Studies Directory.

[YeReVaN]

PM ERDOGAN TO SUE STATES RECOGNIZING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

First response of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Armenian President Robert Kocharian's speech during the Council of Europe summit in Warsaw came on May 16 "unscheduled" press conference and the second one on May 17. Upon his return from Warsaw, PM Erdogan gave his third response on May 18, this time at the sitting of Justice and Prosperity Party.

In all of 3 retorts Erdogan repeats himself resisting Kocharian's speech and meanwhile threatening to sue the 15 states whose parliaments have taken decision of recognizing the Armenian Genocide. Being asked by his party members why he didn't immediately come back at the Armenian President, Erdogan said, "I was absent from the hall because of a bilateral meeting".

Meanwhile, Turkish Prime Minister indirectly confirmed that the rumors about Armenia's readiness to withdraw from "7 regions of Nagorno Karabakh" are false. "The borders are closed. Azerbaijan has problems with Armenia. There are seven territories. It's uncertain which one of the 7 regions they are going to leave", he said.

Turkish Yeni Safaq newspaper informs in May 19 issue about the threats Erdogan made to European states. According to the paper, Erdogan said, "There are hitherto 15 parliaments that have taken decisions [on recognition]. We will put those countries on the scale. There are countries among them that have perpetuated genocides. We will counter those states with facts but not basing on lobbyists' activities and undercover talks and we will take appropriate decisions in our parliament. Why? Because Turkey has never been misled into committing a genocide. There is no way for it to be accepted. There may possible be death cases during the deportation. That's true. But why were they deported? Documents give clear answer: because a group of Armenians provoked by others revolted against the Ottomans who were waging war at 3 fronts".

Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gul confirms the fact of Erdogan's threats. As Milliyet informs in May 19 issue, Gul was asked during a program on Turkish private TV whether they are going to file a lawsuit against the states that recognized the Genocide. Gul Answered, "Yes, we will take that step against those countries. We are working in that direction. They should give an answer why they cast slurs upon us and whether they have grounds for that".

Being asked whether there is such a court to apply, Gul said, "We have means for that. I don't want to go into details but scrupulous work is in progress".

It's hard to say what the expectations of Turkish Prime Minister from accusing the Genocide recognizing states of having carried out genocides, moreover, from filing a lawsuit against them are. But it's clear that RA President Robert Kocharian left no chance for Erdogan to remove the issue of Armenian Genocide from Turkey's agenda by correspondence and by readiness for a meeting.




WHAT AN IDIOT. AND HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE WILL WIN?[b][u]

[2fan]

Don't open that bottle of schadenfreude yet my litlte armenian friend.