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[bigOz]

The very fact that TC children in kindergartens are not taught such jokes must mean something! Here we go again - back to the question of "trust"...

[LENA]

The very fact that TC children in kindergartens are not taught such jokes must mean something! Here we go again - back to the question of "trust"...

BigOz...can you see now why I dont want to marry you? We have a luck of communication here...I never said that GC kids are taught this kind of jokes...probably the joke came from family or else where...she is just 6 years old...but children in school are been taught of the bad and barbarian Turks...but what was my point is that for the kids Turks and TC are the same...not that I agree with the barbaric Turks etc.

And BgOz...a TC told me one thing that I will never forget...not because it was so great but because it was exactly the same thing what I hear since i 've been born....she said to me..."I dont know why I dont trust the GC so much but you know Greek are Greek"....well we say "Turks are Turks"...with the meaning that they are Turks/Greek and you can not trust them...even of they tell you good things ... thy do it just fro the surface..at the bottom are still Turks/Greek!!

Now my dear can you see my point?

[Natty]

And BgOz...a TC told me one thing that I will never forget...not because it was so great but because it was exactly the same thing what I hear since i 've been born....she said to me..."I dont know why I dont trust the GC so much but you know Greek are Greek"....well we say "Turks are Turks"...with the meaning that they are Turks/Greek and you can not trust them...even of they tell you good things ... thy do it just fro the surface..at the bottom are still Turks/Greek!!

Now my dear can you see my point?

I have to say that when I was young there was a lot of bitterness and distrust directed towards Turkey, as oppose to the Turkish Cypriots, because of the invasion and ongoing partition of the Island...When the North was opened up, that's when the Turkish Cypriots were spoken of often and in my family it was always good things, about how the majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriot's lived together quite happily, for example..But I don't know, that may have something to do with not living in an area with many Turkish Cypriots (Only one Turkish Cypriot family that I know of), or maybe I’ve just been lucky…

[humanist]

Natty, I have the same experience as yourself. I alo heard of three families who visited the occupied areas and visited their homes and they all had positive things to say about Turkish Speaking Cypriots who occupy their homes and how welcoming they have been as well as positive stories of saving and returning wedding pictures etc.

[LENA]

And BgOz...a TC told me one thing that I will never forget...not because it was so great but because it was exactly the same thing what I hear since i 've been born....she said to me..."I dont know why I dont trust the GC so much but you know Greek are Greek"....well we say "Turks are Turks"...with the meaning that they are Turks/Greek and you can not trust them...even of they tell you good things ... thy do it just fro the surface..at the bottom are still Turks/Greek!!

Now my dear can you see my point?

I have to say that when I was young there was a lot of bitterness and distrust directed towards Turkey, as oppose to the Turkish Cypriots, because of the invasion and ongoing partition of the Island...When the North was opened up, that's when the Turkish Cypriots were spoken of often and in my family it was always good things, about how the majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriot's lived together quite happily, for example..But I don't know, that may have something to do with not living in an area with many Turkish Cypriots (Only one Turkish Cypriot family that I know of), or maybe I’ve just been lucky…

No Natty is not just that family but lots of them. Not all the TCs are like VP who doesn't want to talk to us or to welcome us to their homes...Cypriots are well known for their hospitality. My point up there is that school teach us to hate the Turks, to have a bad picture for who they are...and unfortunately children don't separate the Turks from the TC.

And the TC that I know they have told me the same things...and they were very friendly and warm with me. One of them I remember he couldn't speak English very well but he knew Greek quite well...the old village Cypriot dialect but we could communicate very well.

[bigOz]

And BgOz...a TC told me one thing that I will never forget...not because it was so great but because it was exactly the same thing what I hear since i 've been born....she said to me..."I dont know why I dont trust the GC so much but you know Greek are Greek"....well we say "Turks are Turks"...with the meaning that they are Turks/Greek and you can not trust them...even of they tell you good things ... thy do it just fro the surface..at the bottom are still Turks/Greek!!

Now my dear can you see my point?

I have to say that when I was young there was a lot of bitterness and distrust directed towards Turkey, as oppose to the Turkish Cypriots, because of the invasion and ongoing partition of the Island...When the North was opened up, that's when the Turkish Cypriots were spoken of often and in my family it was always good things, about how the majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriot's lived together quite happily, for example..But I don't know, that may have something to do with not living in an area with many Turkish Cypriots (Only one Turkish Cypriot family that I know of), or maybe I’ve just been lucky…

No Natty is not just that family but lots of them. Not all the TCs are like VP who doesn't want to talk to us or to welcome us to their homes...Cypriots are well known for their hospitality. My point up there is that school teach us to hate the Turks, to have a bad picture for who they are...and unfortunately children don't separate the Turks from the TC.

And the TC that I know they have told me the same things...and they were very friendly and warm with me. One of them I remember he couldn't speak English very well but he knew Greek quite well...the old village Cypriot dialect but we could communicate very well.

Lena I know you must have the last word but I won't let you on this one.

The children hear these jokes from the elderly and the elderly are the role models - hence, indirectly they are teaching these things to the kids! If they were just as sensitive to the subject, as when they discuss sexually intimate things in front of the children, then it would not be a problem.

The other point is, TC children are not told GCs are barbarians and murderers, but at older ages are informed of the dangers of EOKA and how EOKA-B harmed TCs. I emphesize EOKA because they do not relate them to all Greeks. Furthermore, TC youth are also made aware that GCs themselves fought off EOKA and got killed by them, and not all GCs are like that. It is for that reason many young TCs were not scared to cross to South when the border gates were opened.

The problem we have now, the very same TCs who were too eager to get together with their counterparts in the South are now less sure of a permanent settlement than when they were then.

[LENA]

And BgOz...a TC told me one thing that I will never forget...not because it was so great but because it was exactly the same thing what I hear since i 've been born....she said to me..."I dont know why I dont trust the GC so much but you know Greek are Greek"....well we say "Turks are Turks"...with the meaning that they are Turks/Greek and you can not trust them...even of they tell you good things ... thy do it just fro the surface..at the bottom are still Turks/Greek!!

Now my dear can you see my point?

I have to say that when I was young there was a lot of bitterness and distrust directed towards Turkey, as oppose to the Turkish Cypriots, because of the invasion and ongoing partition of the Island...When the North was opened up, that's when the Turkish Cypriots were spoken of often and in my family it was always good things, about how the majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriot's lived together quite happily, for example..But I don't know, that may have something to do with not living in an area with many Turkish Cypriots (Only one Turkish Cypriot family that I know of), or maybe I’ve just been lucky…

No Natty is not just that family but lots of them. Not all the TCs are like VP who doesn't want to talk to us or to welcome us to their homes...Cypriots are well known for their hospitality. My point up there is that school teach us to hate the Turks, to have a bad picture for who they are...and unfortunately children don't separate the Turks from the TC.

And the TC that I know they have told me the same things...and they were very friendly and warm with me. One of them I remember he couldn't speak English very well but he knew Greek quite well...the old village Cypriot dialect but we could communicate very well.

Lena I know you must have the last word but I won't let you on this one.

The children hear these jokes from the elderly and the elderly are the role models - hence, indirectly they are teaching these things to the kids! If they were just as sensitive to the subject, as when they discuss sexually intimate things in front of the children, then it would not be a problem.

The other point is, TC children are not told GCs are barbarians and murderers, but at older ages are informed of the dangers of EOKA and how EOKA-B harmed TCs. I emphesize EOKA because they do not relate them to all Greeks. Furthermore, TC youth are also made aware that GCs themselves fought off EOKA and got killed by them, and not all GCs are like that. It is for that reason many young TCs were not scared to cross to South when the border gates were opened.

The problem we have now, the very same TCs who were too eager to get together with their counterparts in the South are now less sure of a permanent settlement than when they were then.

Have the last word? You wont let me?

BigOZ…no I don’t have the last word…I insist only when I know I am right…but I don’t know lots of things and I don’t insist on things that I am not familiar with.

I don’t disagree with you that what is happening with the jokes is not right…I disagree with the parents or elders that don’t want to teach their children to have a good judgment but strong nationalistic feelings. And you are wrong BigOz…tell me does you history books that are taught in school present the GC as good people that used to live with them in harmony? No they give to the children the idea that they are the dangerous people that want to hurt them. EOKA was formed by GC not Greek and it was formed by some GC not all of them. The GC children are taught that the TC has been forced to leave their homes and move to the north…and I don’t believe that the reason that young TC are not scared to cross to South but the reason comes from the families. As I said not all the TC are like VP. And I am glad and honoured that I met some of the TCs that are NOT like VP.

I know that the Annan plan instead of help the island to unite managed to divide the island even more to some point.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

You Fat Oz, like the majority of Turkish Cypriots and Turks, have NO IDEA about the EOKA thing.

[EPSILON]

You Fat Oz, like the majority of Turkish Cypriots and Turks, have NO IDEA about the EOKA thing.

What they are mixing here is maybe EOKA B and EOKA
Someone must explain to them hat when EOKA started the fight against British in 1955 was not even thinking about TCS or Turkey since both had nothing to do with Cyprus politics. The fight was against The occupation force, the British. Disputes between EOKA and Tcs started when British employed (on purpose) TCs as policemen to fight EOKA).Any fights against TCs during 1955-1960 was done on the basis of the fact that certain TCs became employees of the occupator not because they were Turks.

[gizzy]

You Fat Oz, like the majority of Turkish Cypriots and Turks, have NO IDEA about the EOKA thing.

What they are mixing here is maybe EOKA B and EOKA
Someone must explain to them hat when EOKA started the fight against British in 1955 was not even thinking about TCS or Turkey since both had nothing to do with Cyprus politics. The fight was against The occupation force, the British. Disputes between EOKA and Tcs started when British employed (on purpose) TCs as policemen to fight EOKA).Any fights against TCs during 1955-1960 was done on the basis of the fact that certain TCs became employees of the occupator not because they were Turks.

I know the actuall story from the GCs and "un-distorted" history web-sites and books...One of my GC friends grandpa was actually part of EOKA A and also told me the whole story.

EOKA A was not targetting the TCs and their only aim was to get rid of the british out of the island..

It was EOKA B which targeted the TCs

The history books our youth is being educated doesnt give the difference between EOKA A and B. They distort the truth so it seems better from their own side...