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[Viewpoint]

Thanx for the warm welcome... No, I wasnt brought up in New York,lol, I was born in Kyrenia and brought up there. I actually didnt have quiet a balanced life in terms of other nationalities, especially !"GC"!
1- I was brought up with propaganda where at school I was injected hight doses of GC hatret. I had to study those history books full of "turkish nationalism"
2- I had to sing every monday morning and every friday afternoon an anthem of another country
...etc...many more to count but I chosed not to get "brainwashed", I have a mind of my own and I can decide whats wrong and right. Therefore I dont need any "turkey is a great nation" injections or "you must hate the gc they are your enemies FOREVER and EVER" injections... Why am I only forced to learn these one sided stories? This cant be it I thought. Are these people not human like us? It was depicted as if we didnt kill their children and wives, as if only them killed the innocent and we were the "angels".... Who were they trying to fool...? Its sad that some of us are still "fool"... coz some dont ask the reasons "why?", they dont ask why these "killings" started in the first place, some still dont realize if Cyprus was at western mediterranean these things probably wouldnt have happened, they dont realize our neighbours have the "petrol" and some still dont realize they were manipulated like "fools" into this game and that we didnt win. We, the cypriots lost the game many times, in 1974, 1963...etc. and I guess we all know who the winners are...
I can understand the resons why the past havent been bright for us and perhaps the fact that people were less educated made things worse. I dont see how I could accept to be enemies with the second half of the island as cypriots are all beautiful people. Its not peaceful this way, I dont want our children to learn how to "hate" a person they dont even know of, before they learn how to "love".
I know very well that some turkish and TC might call me an "traitor" just coz I am not seeing GC or greeks as my enemy. Therefore I ask...Traitor of which country? Turkey? I am not turkish citizen and I dont feel like a part of their country or their culture. I am a Cypriot therefore I am meant to serve my own people, not to greece, not to england not to turkey! I want all cypriots to have a better tomorrow, I am tired of this "Cyprus Problem" already. My home is Cyprus and the benefits of any other country dont interest me.

I smell something fishy with this gizzy person. Nothing in his post is convincing, sorry young man but you come across as a fake.

Give us school and teachers names. Tell us how the lessons are conducted when you are taught to hate GCs. Unless you can give us solid evidence that this is happening in our schools I will take your stories with a pinch of salt.

FYI, I have nephews and cousins your age attending schools in the TRNC and none have been subjected to what you are claiming. Are you sure you are not some attention seeker? can you convince us that you are not a fake?

Well spotted mrfromng, I asked the same question. Something not right here, we will see as things unfold, woudlnt suprise me if it was Ms Kikapolosis in disguise. Desperate measures for desperate people.

Boy, with the rate you guys are going by turning TC's into GC's you're gonna be an even bigger minority in a few years.

No problem DT they can all go live in the promised land, no one is stopping them.

[denizaksulu]

No Problem there, there is more disunity amongst GCs than there is amongsts TCs. The GCs can not even make up their minds whether they are GCs or Cypriots. Whats the big deal?

[zan]

Thanx for the warm welcome... No, I wasnt brought up in New York,lol, I was born in Kyrenia and brought up there. I actually didnt have quiet a balanced life in terms of other nationalities, especially !"GC"!
1- I was brought up with propaganda where at school I was injected hight doses of GC hatret. I had to study those history books full of "turkish nationalism"
2- I had to sing every monday morning and every friday afternoon an anthem of another country
...etc...many more to count but I chosed not to get "brainwashed", I have a mind of my own and I can decide whats wrong and right. Therefore I dont need any "turkey is a great nation" injections or "you must hate the gc they are your enemies FOREVER and EVER" injections... Why am I only forced to learn these one sided stories? This cant be it I thought. Are these people not human like us? It was depicted as if we didnt kill their children and wives, as if only them killed the innocent and we were the "angels".... Who were they trying to fool...? Its sad that some of us are still "fool"... coz some dont ask the reasons "why?", they dont ask why these "killings" started in the first place, some still dont realize if Cyprus was at western mediterranean these things probably wouldnt have happened, they dont realize our neighbours have the "petrol" and some still dont realize they were manipulated like "fools" into this game and that we didnt win. We, the cypriots lost the game many times, in 1974, 1963...etc. and I guess we all know who the winners are...
I can understand the resons why the past havent been bright for us and perhaps the fact that people were less educated made things worse. I dont see how I could accept to be enemies with the second half of the island as cypriots are all beautiful people. Its not peaceful this way, I dont want our children to learn how to "hate" a person they dont even know of, before they learn how to "love".
I know very well that some turkish and TC might call me an "traitor" just coz I am not seeing GC or greeks as my enemy. Therefore I ask...Traitor of which country? Turkey? I am not turkish citizen and I dont feel like a part of their country or their culture. I am a Cypriot therefore I am meant to serve my own people, not to greece, not to england not to turkey! I want all cypriots to have a better tomorrow, I am tired of this "Cyprus Problem" already. My home is Cyprus and the benefits of any other country dont interest me.

I smell something fishy with this gizzy person. Nothing in his post is convincing, sorry young man but you come across as a fake.

Give us school and teachers names. Tell us how the lessons are conducted when you are taught to hate GCs. Unless you can give us solid evidence that this is happening in our schools I will take your stories with a pinch of salt.

FYI, I have nephews and cousins your age attending schools in the TRNC and none have been subjected to what you are claiming. Are you sure you are not some attention seeker? can you convince us that you are not a fake?

Well spotted mrfromng, I asked the same question. Something not right here, we will see as things unfold, woudlnt suprise me if it was Ms Kikapolosis in disguise. Desperate measures for desperate people.

Boy, with the rate you guys are going by turning TC's into GC's you're gonna be an even bigger minority in a few years.

No problem DT they can all go live in the promised land, no one is stopping them.

Gizzy

Can you also tell us what you would except as a Cypriot. Do you accept the TRNC without Turkey?????

[Get Real!]

Can you also tell us what you would except as a Cypriot. Do you accept the TRNC without Turkey?????

Your forgot the inverted commas Zan...

[zan]

They are strictly reserved for the "RoC"

[74LB]

I am also relatively new to posting on this forum, although I have been reading posts for quite a while now.

I'd just like to say that I also have my doubts about the claims by gizzy regarding the hatred being taught in our schools. Not sure why he posted these and I too would like to see some 'evidence' that this indeed is happening.

gizzy gave the following 'background' information in one of his other posts :

I am not exactly sure of my exact ancestry but these are the infos I got from my grandparents and the archieve.
My mums mum side is half Albenian-half Slav
My mums father side is Ottoman and they also suspect they have arab blood
My fathers father side is all mixed up and we have relatives in egypt somehow :S
My fathers mum side refuse to accept but everybody knows his grandma was Maria who became Fatima. Other than that she claims she is "pure turk" but couldnt find the record on archieve
Who am I?
I stopped thinking about this a while ago coz I used to get really confused. I am simply a turkish speaking cypriot...

Confused is a good description !

[T_C]

Ofcourse this "gizzy" is a fake.

That's TRNC through the eyes of a GC.....or Kikapu .....I doubt BK would go to such extremes but I know Kikapu would....

[BirKibrisli]

What will you do when the first bomb explodes?

You still have not answered what proposals and safeguards you demand for the TC community.

I think your question is similar to these ones below:
What do you do if there is a car accident? What do you do if there is a murder? What do you do if there is a fire? What do you do if there is a robbery? These are the things happening in everyday life and we can take precausions to prevent them from happening but there will be always troubles and you cannot prevent all of them completly. If we have "strict" laws that can bring justice, there is nothing to be scared of.

Do you consider yourself more safe in the north? Do you consider "TRNC" an independent nation? Do you think "TRNC" has "fair" and "independent" laws. What do you do when you hear every single day a 5 year old being raped? What do you do when there is a robbery almost everyday? What do you do when your people are being targeted by "turkish nationalism" and your politicians are oppressed & humiliated with "proove that you are a turk" assimilation?

Please ask yourself these questions and perhaps you realize that "TRNC" has always been corrupt and not safe for any TC... What do you do when they set free a child raper after 10 months of jailing and send it back to his country and then he can come back again coz your country dont even ask for a visa and its not even have a free country in the first place?

I know VP has correctly stated that the quote above belongs to him,gizzy,but I thought I would mention it as well...What you say makes a lot of sense,and because of that you are gettingthe "treatment" from the official Trnc propaganda department...I did warn you before that with opinions like yours you will not have an easy time in this forum...I hope you have the balls to stand up to these bullies,and be true to yourself...

But don't expect anything sensible from VP...He is the proof that "there is no one as blind as one who refuses to see"...VP worries about imaginary bombs going off in a united Cyprus,and he considers that as the ultimate catastrophy.But he is blind to the real bombs that are going off all the time in his little imaginary paradise as we speak...Like the moral bombs which come under headings such as gambling,prostitution,drugs,occassional rapes of girls as young as 5 or 6,pack rapes of older girls,random beatings of prisoners in his jails,the use of settlers as slave labour,and the occasional murder and beating up of journalists and fire bombing of cars and businesses,plus Texas style gangland killings at casinos...and other intimadation and standover tactics practised by his "security forces"...And I want even go into the political bombs like the Turkish general putting VP's Prime Minister in his place for not being "Turkish" enough...

Young voices like yours,gizzy,is a red flag to the likes of VP because you demolish his main argument that we (Kikapu and myself) do not live in the Trnc and have no idea what we are talking about...Poor VP et al...Soon you will have only the fear factor to try to keep the troops in line...and after a while even that won't be enough...The truth will come shining through,and you will have nowhere to hide,except perhaps in Turkey if they see you fit enough (read,servile enough) to admit you to their exalted ranks...

[BirKibrisli]

We are not talking Paris, Milan or Copenhagen we are talking throwing both communities into an explosive situation like Israel/Palestine where bombs are a common occurance and people die while going about thier daily business. The last 33 years must have taught you that divided these incidents are non exsistent, all it will take is for a bomb to go off and for the authorities not to show the attention the incident deserves thus inflaming the 2 communities aganst each other. A GC rapes a TC girl can you imagine the uproar and inflamed attitude of the TCs against the GCs and vise versa, I do not even want to think about it. How will you explain to the girls parents that unificaiton was the best solution, wont your conscience ache just a little that you forced unificaiton of the 2 communites without taking the safe guard measure which are imperative to any solution.

I am being genuine, do you get a kick out of being scarcastic? You know full well that I can return the same attitude if thats the route you wish to take but our past arguements have taught you that we do not get anywhere using that route, can you at least try to be civil, your last comments are those of a person who brushes other peoples concerns under the carpet and has nothing concrete to put forward asking them to take a leap of faith with their future and even lives.

I have yet to hear any safe guards you would have in place to ensure we are not absorbed, dominated discriminated excluded or exploited by the GC numerical majority

...........................and force us to give up our illegally obtain "HARAM LAND". Bir, don't you have any compassion to us Partitionist. How can you be so cruel. We are respected land owners now and the elite of the elites. Do you want us to be just an another "common man" living with the GC's, specially them taking our Greek Cypriot lands away. I have never heard of such "cold hearted" persons, specially from a TC. Why can't you think of us as your people also, as you do with your Greek Cypriot Cousins.

Kikapu,every time I get the feeling that perhaps I am being too hard on VP he comes up with something like this:

Were you actually educated in the TRNC? and do you live here? Which school did you attend? I have 3 children which have been and are in the state school system and none of them have been exposed to what you claim. If you dont mind can you give me the teachers names that have educated you and made you hate the TRNC like you do.

Correctly identitfied by you as TMT tactics,VP is also using gestapo methods to try to intimidate and silence gizzy...When I see this kind of response I get very angry and I want to bite VP's head off...

[BirKibrisli]

Viewpont took the words out of my mouth. He must have gone to a one student and one GC teacher school? His opening speech makes no sense. I have met met many students and teachers and I can assure you from personal experience what he claims makes no sense. Something is not quite right. Even prior to 1963 there was never any anti-greek education.I am sure the forum detectives will expose gizzi for what he really is. I think he is a "plant". If he is TC he is entitled to his opnion, but most of the the statements dont ring true. Naturall, as expected he got a lovely welcome from all the GCs.

And here is the other favourite TMT tactic...If you don't like what someone is saying you attack his/her person and identity,try to suggest that they cannot possibly be real TCs but plants or GC spies...As if all TCs have to be carbon copies,by divine intervention,of a thick-headed Turkish nationalist,chauvinist,unforgiving,bitter,pathologically-paralysed-with-fear individual, with no human compassion or empathy...