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[Get Real!]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

[bigOz]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

As often the case is - you are distorting the content of th epost and taking it out of context GR.

No one said it was any one's imagination that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in 1974 - and no one denies it either. What is not clear, what is the motive behind GC thinking (and I do not believe or agree that all claim the same); Cyprus problem started with the invasion by Turkish forces in 1974! Sorry, but even when I am writing this ridiculous assumption as a quote I cannot keep a straight face!

[Get Real!]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

As often the case is - you are distorting the content of th epost and taking it out of context GR.

No one said it was any one's imagination that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in 1974 - and no one denies it either. What is not clear, what is the motive behind GC thinking (and I do not believe or agree that all claim the same); Cyprus problem started with the invasion by Turkish forces in 1974! Sorry, but even when I am writing this ridiculous assumption as a quote I cannot keep a straight face!

Well, I hope you weren't thinking of 1963, 1960, 1955, or any other 20th century date because then I will laugh at YOU and remind that the Cyprus problem started in 1571 when the Ottomans first came here uninvited so never laugh too soon BigOz.

[MR-from-NG]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

As often the case is - you are distorting the content of th epost and taking it out of context GR.

No one said it was any one's imagination that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in 1974 - and no one denies it either. What is not clear, what is the motive behind GC thinking (and I do not believe or agree that all claim the same); Cyprus problem started with the invasion by Turkish forces in 1974! Sorry, but even when I am writing this ridiculous assumption as a quote I cannot keep a straight face!

Well, I hope you weren't thinking of 1963, 1960, 1955, or any other 20th century date because then I will laugh at YOU and remind that the Cyprus problem started in 1571 when the Ottomans first came here uninvited so never laugh too soon BigOz.

GR, you are probably the smartest guy on the forum. Do you think it is smart to go as far back as 1571? Surely 1960 has more significance than 1571 could ever have re the Cyprob as we know it.

[Get Real!]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

As often the case is - you are distorting the content of th epost and taking it out of context GR.

No one said it was any one's imagination that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in 1974 - and no one denies it either. What is not clear, what is the motive behind GC thinking (and I do not believe or agree that all claim the same); Cyprus problem started with the invasion by Turkish forces in 1974! Sorry, but even when I am writing this ridiculous assumption as a quote I cannot keep a straight face!

Well, I hope you weren't thinking of 1963, 1960, 1955, or any other 20th century date because then I will laugh at YOU and remind that the Cyprus problem started in 1571 when the Ottomans first came here uninvited so never laugh too soon BigOz.

GR, you are probably the smartest guy on the forum. Do you think it is smart to go as far back as 1571? Surely 1960 has more significance than 1571 could ever have re the Cyprob as we know it.

It's all relative Mrfromng. Some people wish they could go back to 1960 and restart the Cypriot republic and do some things differently but I feel that it would not have made ANY difference because Turkey would have never allowed us to live in peace anyway.

Her mind was made up from the early 50's to have a base here so she would've found alternative ways to stir the pot so I rather have the chance if I could, and go back to 1571 and sink the Turkish armada before they landed here.

Cyprus problem solved! You and I would have never met and we would both be happy as can be in our separate worlds. I would've also saved my people from 320 years of bondage.

[MR-from-NG]

There i no way for a fair solution, presently. Just stop negotiating and eturn the problem to its initial base-INVASION/OCCUPATION

What a typical GC conclusion! "Cyprus problem initially started with the invasion in 1974!"

OK you have just received the first prize in this year's first ever "Cyprus Comedy Awards". I ask all those GCs who have more sense to have a look at what this joker has been preaching in his posts and then tell me if they still do not understand why TCs cannot trust the GCs at this time. Remember, this fellow is not unique, there are many in the South who think like him.

Sorry bigOz, I have to disagree with your "there are many in the South who think like him" theory. I would argue that everybody, without exception think like him in the South.

Correct and also Epsilon is technically right because it is still recorded as a invasion/occupation in the UN's books and that's what counts in this world.

Btw, as a victim of this invasion/occupation I don't appreciate being told by anyone that's it's all a figment of my imagination.

As often the case is - you are distorting the content of th epost and taking it out of context GR.

No one said it was any one's imagination that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in 1974 - and no one denies it either. What is not clear, what is the motive behind GC thinking (and I do not believe or agree that all claim the same); Cyprus problem started with the invasion by Turkish forces in 1974! Sorry, but even when I am writing this ridiculous assumption as a quote I cannot keep a straight face!

Well, I hope you weren't thinking of 1963, 1960, 1955, or any other 20th century date because then I will laugh at YOU and remind that the Cyprus problem started in 1571 when the Ottomans first came here uninvited so never laugh too soon BigOz.

GR, you are probably the smartest guy on the forum. Do you think it is smart to go as far back as 1571? Surely 1960 has more significance than 1571 could ever have re the Cyprob as we know it.

It's all relative Mrfromng. Some people wish they could go back to 1960 and restart the Cypriot republic and do some things differently but I feel that it would not have made ANY difference because Turkey would have never allowed us to live in peace anyway.

Her mind was made up from the early 50's to have a base here so she would've found alternative ways to stir the pot so I rather have the chance if I could, and go back to 1571 and sink the Turkish armada before they landed here.

Cyprus problem solved! You and I would have never met and we would both be happy as can be in our separate worlds. I would've also saved my people from 320 years of bondage.

By the same token I could say I wish Turkey had gone just that bit further and run the GC's off the island altogether. There wouldn't be a North-South issue nor would there have been a stolen land problem and we certainly wouldn't have been exchanging these messages. Then what?

Its just not the way forward for you to go into the Ottoman era and blame the Turks or the TCs for today's Cyprob.

[EPSILON]

Dear All,

You are making a basic mistake.

I never quoted that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. Repeatetly I said that the problem started in 1956 when British employed TCs as their policemen against EOKA.

What I am quoting here is that I consider it as big mistake on GCs side to continue to negotiate about a solution after 1974 ,before the case of invasion/occupation be ended.Gcs and their leadership wrongly consider that they can negotiate with TCs community for a solution and they suceeded by this way to reach an Annan plan.

The Turkish side who has the authority and power to accept or reject a solution is not the TCs communitity but the Turkish forces and Generals in Turkey.

On basis they have the military power , they have already what they have in Cyprus, I can not see any reason for them to accept anything worst than what they have today.

The only negotiation power GCs have against Turkey mainland and not TCs should be the international law about invasion/occupation.

They made the mistake to move out of this basic fact and now is even very difficult for them to return where they were in 1976-1977.

What I am stating here is about the GCs tactics (wrong for me) and has nothing to do on when the problem started.

[Get Real!]

I never quoted that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. Repeatetly I said that the problem started in 1956 when British employed TCs as their policemen against EOKA.

Playing the devils advocate I could easily reply that the TC's joined the British because of the 1950 GC Church referendum in favor of union with Greece and then someone else will come along and counter that by bringing up the 1923 agreements (treaty) as an example etc.

The bottom line is that there are many dates that suit each side to call it the "beginning of the problem" so none can possibly be valid but nobody can deny the ABSOLUTE beginning being none other than 1571 and I don't care how far back that goes as long as it's the truth.

[iceman]

The bottom line is that there are many dates that suit each side to call it the "beginning of the problem" so none can possibly be valid but nobody can deny the ABSOLUTE beginning being none other than 1571 and I don't care how far back that goes as long as it's the truth.

c'mon Get Real....Dont be so ungratefull as to show 1571 as the begining of your problems...
Dont forget it was the Ottomans after 1571 who gave your people freedom to practice your religion as well as many other privilages you were denied previously

[bigOz]

I never quoted that the Cyprus problem started in 1974. Repeatedly I said that the problem started in 1956 when British employed TCs as their policemen against EOKA.

Playing the devils advocate I could easily reply that the TC's joined the British because of the 1950 GC Church referendum in favor of union with Greece and then someone else will come along and counter that by bringing up the 1923 agreements (treaty) as an example etc.

The bottom line is that there are many dates that suit each side to call it the "beginning of the problem" so none can possibly be valid but nobody can deny the ABSOLUTE beginning being none other than 1571 and I don't care how far back that goes as long as it's the truth.

So what is it that happened in 1571, that caused the GCs and TCs kill each other? What happened during 350 yeras of Ottoman occupation that would have turned the GCs against TCs and vice versa - can you give us some examples please?

You are completelly wrong my friend! You have to look at the historical developements within the context of causing the inter-communal fighting and killings, which undeniably turned TCs and GCs against each other. As far as my knowledge of history serves me, that was no other than the events of 1950s, closely followed by the events of 1963, 1967, and finally 1974.

Never mind being devil's advocate but we both know you are absolutely right about the TCs resistance to EOKA during 1950s. What did Turkey do during 1960 to 1963 to destroy Cyprus, can you please elaborate on that? And I'll tell you the true version of what exactly happened!

What did Turkey due between 1963 and 1974 to destroy GCs or their dominance on the island (except to attack them on one occasion as a response to attcaking Turkish villages & civilians)? Please quote me something from an international source and I'll agree with you.

There is no relevance of any other part of Cyprus history to the hatred created between GCs and TCs, because until 1950s GCs and TCs lived together in peace with many mixed marriages, sharing a rich culture that was a mixture of many over thousands of years. If you are not aware, I can even provide you with the details of TCs and GCs uprising together against Ottoman taxation! Endaksi re gumbaro?