by zan » Thu May 31, 2007 7:41 pm
Viewpoint wrote:What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?
by Viewpoint » Thu May 31, 2007 7:54 pm
DT wrote:Viewpoint wrote:What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?
gizzy is much more likeable.
or is it because she sings to your tune?
by Viewpoint » Thu May 31, 2007 7:54 pm
zan wrote:Viewpoint wrote:What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?
I wonder VP??? Some people are asking me why I have been so agressive lately too....It seems that they either have short memories or selective hearing.
by DT. » Thu May 31, 2007 7:59 pm
Viewpoint wrote:DT wrote:Viewpoint wrote:What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?
gizzy is much more likeable.
Discrimination yet again.....
by gizzy » Thu May 31, 2007 8:02 pm
EPSILON wrote:People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem?
EPSILON wrote:You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!
EPSILON wrote:1.proposition for solution of Cyprus problem: Tcs are to be considered as a small minority with all respctive rights UN and International Community offering to small monorities.
1a. Turkish army to withdraw from Cyprus since the majority in the Island do not need any guardian because they have a full/modern democratic system-Lieve Turkish army to be the guardian in Mainland Turkey where people , politicians and society can not operate under modern democratic system and they need some dogs or wolfs to keep them in order
1c. Clear declaration of GCs leadership that they stop any negotiation with the invasion army until the last soldier depart from Cyprus
2.Turkish army do not attack South since 1974.....Do not shake the eggs may you brake them.
2A.If you steel consider that 2007 is 1974 then go on and destroy your mainland country earlier than the schedule. Some signs started two days ago in boarders with Iraq.GOOD LUCK - We will be there in NC to say goodby
by MR-from-NG » Thu May 31, 2007 8:03 pm
Kifeas wrote:gizzy wrote:mrfromng wrote:Listen kid, you will never convince me otherwise, in fact you will not convince anybody with a bit of common sense.
You are a fake and we all know it.
I dont care whether you are convinced or not. You are free to think whatever you like. Its funny how you call me a "kid" but at the same time you are incapable of making "civilized" discussions without "swearing". Sorry but you are not worthy of having discussions with if you dont have "manners"...
Do not worry gizzy! In fact, mrfromng is incapable to of making any civilized, sensible and comprehensible discussion, even when he is swearing. He, together with Zan and Nikephorakos has been assessed among the forum members to be on top of the reversed list of the most intelligent forum members. They are identifiable by their exceptional IQ scores.
by MR-from-NG » Thu May 31, 2007 8:04 pm
gizzy wrote:EPSILON wrote:People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem?
Did I ever said "everybody must agree with me"? :S where did that came out from." People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with that" I agree with you. Thats why I proposed my opinion and anybody is free to agree or disagree. I didnt go on insult anybody, or I didnt say "you must agree". I proposed my own solution and you can propose yours. I dont see any problem here.EPSILON wrote:You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!
Let me specify, I dont "hate" anybody and I am personally "incapable" of hating people coz thats the nature of my personality. I have respect to others peoples' thoughts and I dont expect all TCs to think the same way I do. They are free to make their own decisions. These are my personal opinions and there are many TCs who share the same opinions as me.
Let me specify these things more:
I still dont believe Turkish army needs to be in island for security at the moment coz I believe GCs army are civilized. Lets imagine for once that there was no GC army. Would Turkish army invade south Cyprus?NO. Which century are we living? I just dont like the fact that some people make it seem like we need protection from the GC. Turkey is not far away anyways. Army base doesnt need to be in Cyprus to be able to defend us. They can come right away if needed. It just makes GCs unconfortable and I dont like that. Especially after what happened in 1974, these people are scared of the Turkish army.
I think you get me wrong... Its not like I am saying Turkish army didnt do good on coming to cpyrus on 1974. I know they saved the TCs (at the same time they killed innocent GCs) and thats perhaps the only reason why I am alive today but I wouldnt go an call it totally a "peace operation" since innocent GCs were killed. I try to see things throught the eyes of both sides and thats the most humane way of solving things. The GCs were hurt on 1974 and I wish it wouldnt have happened. At the same time I expect from them to feel sympathy to what happend to us while their EOKA was killing innocent. This is whats called "mutual understanding" and its not hard to practice.EPSILON wrote:1.proposition for solution of Cyprus problem: Tcs are to be considered as a small minority with all respctive rights UN and International Community offering to small monorities.
1a. Turkish army to withdraw from Cyprus since the majority in the Island do not need any guardian because they have a full/modern democratic system-Lieve Turkish army to be the guardian in Mainland Turkey where people , politicians and society can not operate under modern democratic system and they need some dogs or wolfs to keep them in order
1c. Clear declaration of GCs leadership that they stop any negotiation with the invasion army until the last soldier depart from Cyprus
2.Turkish army do not attack South since 1974.....Do not shake the eggs may you brake them.
2A.If you steel consider that 2007 is 1974 then go on and destroy your mainland country earlier than the schedule. Some signs started two days ago in boarders with Iraq.GOOD LUCK - We will be there in NC to say goodby
I am a cypriot and I want the benefit of all cypriots. Other countries must be my second priority. Cyprus is a free nation and have its own problems to solve. I ofcourse have "emotional" connection to all turkic nations but I wouldnt let this interfear with matters regarding my own country. Its not my duty to protect Turkey neither its their "duty" to protect us. Towards those turks who are protecting us for "emotional" reasons, I feel the same way about all of them. However mostly its is politics and the Turkish army being in cyprus is more than "emotional" reasons and I can see that...
I am an extremly emotional person and I would never want Turkey destroyed and I would never want any "Turk" to get hurt. I want to see Turkey in EU coz I think that would help their economy. XXX
The caring feeling that I have for any Turk is same for the GCs. We share the same land, we share the same water and we share the same air. I believe we can co-exist in peace, and I love all Cypriots coz they are my people XXX
I hope I expressed myself clearly and didnt leave any open doors for misunderstanding. If you have a any other solution theories other than mutual solutions please say so. It would be really nice to hear them.
thnx for your evaluations ^^
by DT. » Thu May 31, 2007 8:09 pm
mrfromng wrote:gizzy wrote:EPSILON wrote:People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem?
Did I ever said "everybody must agree with me"? :S where did that came out from." People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with that" I agree with you. Thats why I proposed my opinion and anybody is free to agree or disagree. I didnt go on insult anybody, or I didnt say "you must agree". I proposed my own solution and you can propose yours. I dont see any problem here.EPSILON wrote:You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!
Let me specify, I dont "hate" anybody and I am personally "incapable" of hating people coz thats the nature of my personality. I have respect to others peoples' thoughts and I dont expect all TCs to think the same way I do. They are free to make their own decisions. These are my personal opinions and there are many TCs who share the same opinions as me.
Let me specify these things more:
I still dont believe Turkish army needs to be in island for security at the moment coz I believe GCs army are civilized. Lets imagine for once that there was no GC army. Would Turkish army invade south Cyprus?NO. Which century are we living? I just dont like the fact that some people make it seem like we need protection from the GC. Turkey is not far away anyways. Army base doesnt need to be in Cyprus to be able to defend us. They can come right away if needed. It just makes GCs unconfortable and I dont like that. Especially after what happened in 1974, these people are scared of the Turkish army.
I think you get me wrong... Its not like I am saying Turkish army didnt do good on coming to cpyrus on 1974. I know they saved the TCs (at the same time they killed innocent GCs) and thats perhaps the only reason why I am alive today but I wouldnt go an call it totally a "peace operation" since innocent GCs were killed. I try to see things throught the eyes of both sides and thats the most humane way of solving things. The GCs were hurt on 1974 and I wish it wouldnt have happened. At the same time I expect from them to feel sympathy to what happend to us while their EOKA was killing innocent. This is whats called "mutual understanding" and its not hard to practice.EPSILON wrote:1.proposition for solution of Cyprus problem: Tcs are to be considered as a small minority with all respctive rights UN and International Community offering to small monorities.
1a. Turkish army to withdraw from Cyprus since the majority in the Island do not need any guardian because they have a full/modern democratic system-Lieve Turkish army to be the guardian in Mainland Turkey where people , politicians and society can not operate under modern democratic system and they need some dogs or wolfs to keep them in order
1c. Clear declaration of GCs leadership that they stop any negotiation with the invasion army until the last soldier depart from Cyprus
2.Turkish army do not attack South since 1974.....Do not shake the eggs may you brake them.
2A.If you steel consider that 2007 is 1974 then go on and destroy your mainland country earlier than the schedule. Some signs started two days ago in boarders with Iraq.GOOD LUCK - We will be there in NC to say goodby
I am a cypriot and I want the benefit of all cypriots. Other countries must be my second priority. Cyprus is a free nation and have its own problems to solve. I ofcourse have "emotional" connection to all turkic nations but I wouldnt let this interfear with matters regarding my own country. Its not my duty to protect Turkey neither its their "duty" to protect us. Towards those turks who are protecting us for "emotional" reasons, I feel the same way about all of them. However mostly its is politics and the Turkish army being in cyprus is more than "emotional" reasons and I can see that...
I am an extremly emotional person and I would never want Turkey destroyed and I would never want any "Turk" to get hurt. I want to see Turkey in EU coz I think that would help their economy. XXX
The caring feeling that I have for any Turk is same for the GCs. We share the same land, we share the same water and we share the same air. I believe we can co-exist in peace, and I love all Cypriots coz they are my people XXX
I hope I expressed myself clearly and didnt leave any open doors for misunderstanding. If you have a any other solution theories other than mutual solutions please say so. It would be really nice to hear them.
thnx for your evaluations ^^
gizzy you are a fake, if you are a TC then I'm the pope.
by MR-from-NG » Thu May 31, 2007 8:13 pm
DT wrote:mrfromng wrote:gizzy wrote:EPSILON wrote:People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem?
Did I ever said "everybody must agree with me"? :S where did that came out from." People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with that" I agree with you. Thats why I proposed my opinion and anybody is free to agree or disagree. I didnt go on insult anybody, or I didnt say "you must agree". I proposed my own solution and you can propose yours. I dont see any problem here.EPSILON wrote:You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!
Let me specify, I dont "hate" anybody and I am personally "incapable" of hating people coz thats the nature of my personality. I have respect to others peoples' thoughts and I dont expect all TCs to think the same way I do. They are free to make their own decisions. These are my personal opinions and there are many TCs who share the same opinions as me.
Let me specify these things more:
I still dont believe Turkish army needs to be in island for security at the moment coz I believe GCs army are civilized. Lets imagine for once that there was no GC army. Would Turkish army invade south Cyprus?NO. Which century are we living? I just dont like the fact that some people make it seem like we need protection from the GC. Turkey is not far away anyways. Army base doesnt need to be in Cyprus to be able to defend us. They can come right away if needed. It just makes GCs unconfortable and I dont like that. Especially after what happened in 1974, these people are scared of the Turkish army.
I think you get me wrong... Its not like I am saying Turkish army didnt do good on coming to cpyrus on 1974. I know they saved the TCs (at the same time they killed innocent GCs) and thats perhaps the only reason why I am alive today but I wouldnt go an call it totally a "peace operation" since innocent GCs were killed. I try to see things throught the eyes of both sides and thats the most humane way of solving things. The GCs were hurt on 1974 and I wish it wouldnt have happened. At the same time I expect from them to feel sympathy to what happend to us while their EOKA was killing innocent. This is whats called "mutual understanding" and its not hard to practice.EPSILON wrote:1.proposition for solution of Cyprus problem: Tcs are to be considered as a small minority with all respctive rights UN and International Community offering to small monorities.
1a. Turkish army to withdraw from Cyprus since the majority in the Island do not need any guardian because they have a full/modern democratic system-Lieve Turkish army to be the guardian in Mainland Turkey where people , politicians and society can not operate under modern democratic system and they need some dogs or wolfs to keep them in order
1c. Clear declaration of GCs leadership that they stop any negotiation with the invasion army until the last soldier depart from Cyprus
2.Turkish army do not attack South since 1974.....Do not shake the eggs may you brake them.
2A.If you steel consider that 2007 is 1974 then go on and destroy your mainland country earlier than the schedule. Some signs started two days ago in boarders with Iraq.GOOD LUCK - We will be there in NC to say goodby
I am a cypriot and I want the benefit of all cypriots. Other countries must be my second priority. Cyprus is a free nation and have its own problems to solve. I ofcourse have "emotional" connection to all turkic nations but I wouldnt let this interfear with matters regarding my own country. Its not my duty to protect Turkey neither its their "duty" to protect us. Towards those turks who are protecting us for "emotional" reasons, I feel the same way about all of them. However mostly its is politics and the Turkish army being in cyprus is more than "emotional" reasons and I can see that...
I am an extremly emotional person and I would never want Turkey destroyed and I would never want any "Turk" to get hurt. I want to see Turkey in EU coz I think that would help their economy. XXX
The caring feeling that I have for any Turk is same for the GCs. We share the same land, we share the same water and we share the same air. I believe we can co-exist in peace, and I love all Cypriots coz they are my people XXX
I hope I expressed myself clearly and didnt leave any open doors for misunderstanding. If you have a any other solution theories other than mutual solutions please say so. It would be really nice to hear them.
thnx for your evaluations ^^
gizzy you are a fake, if you are a TC then I'm the pope.
What we doing about that potty mouth then Mr Pope?
by gizzy » Thu May 31, 2007 9:33 pm
Viewpoint wrote:I may have worded this incorrectly as your venomous attack towards the TRNC where you were probably born and raised on those Turkish funds which you seem to conveniently disregard, that you in fact did state that our education system taught you to hate GCs, obviously it didnt do a very good job, so claiming this is not only immature but contradictory, or are you caiming you were so strong willed that it had no impact and the rest of our youth hate GCs. Can you hand on heart say that the TC youth hate GC due to the education system? They dont give a shit about GCs they are more concerned about what to wear, which car to drive and who to date, I have 3 of them so I know. What have you got to say about the GC youth and their education system? only recently did we see the hatred displayed during the English School incident.
Young lady you can live anywhere in the world and be unpleased or unsatisfied, this is a frame of mind, I am sure there are plenty of GCs who feel the same about southern Cyprus. Would you be pleased or satifised living in a country where your family and loved ones were at risk of being discriminated or even killed due inter communal conflicts, its all a frame of mind and you are caught up in the sydrome where you feel the grass is always greener on the other side.
Here I think you owe us TCs an apology for such sweeping statements giving everyone the impression we live in a lawless country, all you have to do is look at our crime figures they are much lower in the north than they are in the south and most of the EU. So again your claim that 5yo girls are raped on a daily basis is total crap and does nothing towards your own creditbility, all you have done is "ekmelerine bal surdunuz" you have put honey on ther bread well done.
Thats all I am asking for what are those estinguishers and alarms going to be that will act as safeguards against being dominated or exploited by the numerical majority? or do you suggest that we close our eyes and take a leap of faith into union with GCs were safeguards are not in place and we are left at their mercy. When you go for a job interview in a united Cyprus and you are rejected by a totally GC interview team for the only reason that you are a TC dont come running to me, GCs are experts at providing you with logical explanations to why you were rejected covering up the reality of the situation.
I and many TCs no longer trust the EU they have to make good on their promises to restore their depleated crediblity with the TC people. You are free to put your future in the hands of the GC south at anytime seeing that you are content in the fact that if anything shoudl go wrong the EU will bail you out, they have to have 300 mettings to decide buying a pen can you imagine what they will do in a moent of crisis, good luck.
For 44 years TCs have been looking for "mutual solutions" but this can not be achieved on our own, do you honestly feel a people that have their own recognized country and all the benefits that bring want to share that cake? if you do you are kidding yourself, if you accept to assimilate into the GC majority you can do that tomorrow no one is stopping move south and live happily ever after but dont force me to do the same, ı need my safeguards to ensure I am not pushed to one side by the 80% that has shown me nothing but hardship.
I truly feel that we will never agree a solution with Gcs as the chasm is to wide but I am open to be persuaded by safeguards and guarantees that will insure my role in a united Cyprus will be one where I can influence my own future and not have the GC force decisions that will effect my community negatively, in my own designated state.
Would you rather be a Pirate or a Slave?
I appreciate your concerns about your future but it appears you are wll on the way to getting a first class education therefore the world is your oyster, you are young and can work anywhere you wish, even the south if you feel that that is the promised land.
The TRNC will always be here and you have to learn to accept it with all its imperfections, we will strive to make things better for future generations and I am really hopeful that in time isolation will be eased and TCs will propsper thus providing better employment opportunites for our youth. Think of it this way we TCs are 1000 times better off than were in the 1960s and in the future you will be better off than we are. When faced with political obstacles our progress will be slower but dont give up your faith in the TRNC because it is where your community live and breath and where you belong, when the time comes we have to hand over the flag to you to build a better future for generations that will follow be it with or in our case without a solution.
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