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[EPSILON]

People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem? You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!


1.proposition for solution of Cyprus problem: Tcs are to be considered as a small minority with all respctive rights UN and International Community offering to small monorities.

1a. Turkish army to withdraw from Cyprus since the majority in the Island do not need any guardian because they have a full/modern democratic system-Lieve Turkish army to be the guardian in Mainland Turkey where people , politicians and society can not operate under modern democratic system and they need some dogs or wolfs to keep them in order

1c. Clear declaration of GCs leadership that they stop any negotiation with the invasion army until the last soldier depart from Cyprus

2.Turkish army do not attack South since 1974.....Do not shake the eggs may you brake them.

2A.If you steel consider that 2007 is 1974 then go on and destroy your mainland country earlier than the schedule. Some signs started two days ago in boarders with Iraq.GOOD LUCK - We will be there in NC to say goodby

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

ODE to the_snake_and_the_crane:

The only person full of shit that is left in this forum (everyone else have decided to retract from verbal abuse) is you RE EOKA SUPPORTING BRAINDEAD PIG!

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....

Come on fat boy - let me have it.

I bet you dont even know much about EOKA do you lol.

What gives you the right to address other people's claims as "bullshit" especially when they have been proven as facts with references time and time again?

Give me realistic and credible proof to some of these Turkish Cypriot fairytales about how Makarios supposedly blessed a grenade or how the Greek Cypriot suppoedly murdered thousands of Turkish Cypriot between 1963 and 1974. On the other hand, if I or or someone else with more than a couple of braincells such as yourself can be bothered, we'll search the interet to give you some decent proof to show you wrong - which happens time and time again on these websites....and time and time again Turkish Cypriots such as Zan and VP choose to ignore.

Where is the proof for your crap claim that "Greek women and children" are being murdered by Turkish army? Show me one and I'll show you Two or three examples proving the Greek army supported EOKA killing Turkish women and children.

Are you serious? You honestly dont believe the Turkish army or the TMT killed innocent women and children??? Are you THAT much in denial - and you have the audacity to call ME brainwashed??? I KNOW the Greek military junta in power in Greece, who were put in place by the CIA, sponsored EOKA B (cant be arsed to explain the difference between EOKA and EOKA B to another ignorant Turk). I also understand through much research of my own of balanced and fair material, that EOKA B did commit such terrible crimes as killing innocent Turkish Cypriot women and children but were done so after the Turkish invasion had started and as an reaction to the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries doing the same to Greek Cypriot women, children and old people but on a considerably larger scale.

You are fool consumed by your emotions and feelings based on the hatred for Turk, and the type of GCs (not in majority) who are standing in the way of any progress for a peaceful co-existence! Do not worry about the women and children, but I'd blow your bloody brains out anytime, as a service to humanity!

Blow my brains out? You sound like the kinda guy who would blow something else fat boy. No thanks, I dont need a gun to handle you.

To other readers - dont you get the feeling sometimes that people who accuse you of something are guilty of their own accuastions.

Where in Europe did you read that Turks did not suffer or got killed to come up with stupid crap like "Cyprus problem is in black and white". We are viewing the scene through HD widescreen Technicolor projection while you are still living in the dark ages seeing things in black and white. Why don't you just get back into your hole you flipping snake?

Where in Europe did I read that? Errrrrrrrrrrrm The Republic of Ireland!! - whilst I was having a Guiness with a couple of lepricorn buddies.

Oh yeah I forgot - the Turks see things more clearly than the rest of the world. Seriously though, sometimes dont you listen to yourself. And I can be like a snake if you want, or a crane, or a tiger, or an eagle...monkey. Wushu is a beautiful thing.

People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you?

People such as Zan and VP shouldnt spread lies and manipulate history for there own ultra-nationalistic gain. If this means the continued theivery from my people and abolishment of their human rights (REAL human rights - not the warped Turkish kind. International trading as a pseudo country is NOT a human right)...then im going to attack.

What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem?

One man. One Country. One Vote.

You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view!

Many Turkish Cypriots hate the Turkish army also. Just not the ultra-nationalist kind such as yourself. The difference between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots is that on the whole, we pray to Jesus while you pray to Ataturk and the Turkish army. Says it all.

Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal?

Watch this space. Not as far fetched as you make out.

Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people.

More Turkish ultra-nationalist tripe. You dont have a secular society in Turkey and occupied Cyprus, you have a facist one.

They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!

...and this makes you proud?

Sorry Lena but this ignorant peasant (who can be nothing else) has been constantly attacking people with a lot of venom (a real snake as he is). I have turned the blind eye to his stupid remarks in the past, but it has only helped him get worse. He is a probing - testing coward, who seeks any opportunity to make a vile comment!

Sorry Lena but this Big Oz who is probably some fat bastard sounds like another Turkish army worshiping ultra-nationalist moron from some website like ATCA. How many of these guys exist??

You should believe everything I told you before Main Source. I only give real information out to people that are GC or TC and not to fake Mavros. I have told you that before. Now go and pray to that fake religion you told me about.

The guy that cant read or write or speak Turkish calls ME fake? lol
What fake religion are you talking about Zan?? By the way Zan, did you sort out that STD problem in the end?

[Kifeas]

Listen kid, you will never convince me otherwise, in fact you will not convince anybody with a bit of common sense.

You are a fake and we all know it.

I dont care whether you are convinced or not. You are free to think whatever you like. Its funny how you call me a "kid" but at the same time you are incapable of making "civilized" discussions without "swearing". Sorry but you are not worthy of having discussions with if you dont have "manners"...

Do not worry gizzy! In fact, mrfromng is incapable to of making any civilized, sensible and comprehensible discussion, even when he is swearing. He, together with Zan and Nikephorakos has been assessed among the forum members to be on top of the reversed list of the most intelligent forum members. They are identifiable by their exceptional IQ scores.

[DT.]

Since when 20 years olds are considered as "kids"? Actually I feel good when you guys are calling me "kid" coz I always used to get depressed know that I will never be a "teen" again.lol
Oh and to those who think am a "fake" I will give you couple of TC teacher names in general that I know and can remember of:
- Minüfe hoca var soyadını unuttum lefkoşada. Meşhur ingilizce hocası, özel ders verir
- Sevinç hoca var gene inglizce özel ders verir lefkoşada. Lefkoşada İtimat durağının arkasındadır evi.
- Kemal Manalı var Alasya ilkokulunda Mağusa da
- Erbil Aydınova 23 Nisan ilkokulunun müdürüydü benim zamanımda

Eski dedigodu haberlerlerinden hatırladığım.
- Anibal ın sahibi eşinden ayrıldı. Ardından sanırım lefkoşadaki dükyanına "herşey para deil" yazılı bir kağıt yapışdırmış ve dükyan kapalı kalmış bir süre. Ex-eşi da gendi Anibal restoranını açmış.

Will write more if still not satisfying^^ lol

apologies for calling you a kid gizzy, i'm 31 so if you're 20 and still a kid i guess it makes me feel better about being in my 30's.

I agree that you shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone on the forum however congrats on shutting them up. I'm afraid the presence of the of Bir and Kikapu on this forum has really gotten this groups back up and they have become a little more paranoid and a little more extreme.

They're not the only people on this forum so don't worry about them.

To explain, by them i mean the ones you refer to as "those" in your post..

[Viewpoint]

gizzy

Yes, I was educated in "TRNC" and now I am attending University in the UK. I didnt claim I was tought to hate "TRNC". I actually said the opposite in my previous posts. At school they teach us to love "TRNC" and Turkey, hate the GCs coz they killed the TCs. They tought us one-sided stories where GCs had the evil role while the TCs were "angels". Morover all the world was against us, the "TRNC", they didnt recognize our republic coz they were on the "evil side" . None of my teachers thought me to "hate" TRNC, even if they did, I wouldnt have told their names here anyways. Your description of my feeling as "hate" towards "TRNC" wouldnt be right as "hate" is extremly strong negative feeling and I would never "hate" the "TRNC". A better description of my feelings is being "un-pleased" more like "unsatisfied" with most things about the "TRNC".

I may have worded this incorrectly as your venomous attack towards the TRNC where you were probably born and raised on those Turkish funds which you seem to conveniently disregard, that you in fact did state that our education system taught you to hate GCs, obviously it didnt do a very good job, so claiming this is not only immature but contradictory, or are you caiming you were so strong willed that it had no impact and the rest of our youth hate GCs. Can you hand on heart say that the TC youth hate GC due to the education system? They dont give a shit about GCs they are more concerned about what to wear, which car to drive and who to date, I have 3 of them so I know. What have you got to say about the GC youth and their education system? only recently did we see the hatred displayed during the English School incident.

Young lady you can live anywhere in the world and be unpleased or unsatisfied, this is a frame of mind, I am sure there are plenty of GCs who feel the same about southern Cyprus. Would you be pleased or satifised living in a country where your family and loved ones were at risk of being discriminated or even killed due inter communal conflicts, its all a frame of mind and you are caught up in the sydrome where you feel the grass is always greener on the other side.

I accept that the word "everyday" is incorrect interpretation as I didnt mean it like "every single day" but more like, "very often". Its hard not to see the increased crime rate over the past years and that most of the criminals are jobless people who come to "work" to "TRNC" with no penny in their pockets. I get more scared walking alone on the streets on the north than I that of the south. Infact I feel really confortable during my visits to south while I feel "unsafe" walking along the Kyrenia Bay and am not the only one. All of my friends feels that "TRNC" is getting less safe day after day. Why? coz we allow a lot of dangerous people in and our laws are not good enough to bring justice

Here I think you owe us TCs an apology for such sweeping statements giving everyone the impression we live in a lawless country, all you have to do is look at our crime figures they are much lower in the north than they are in the south and most of the EU. So again your claim that 5yo girls are raped on a daily basis is total crap and does nothing towards your own creditbility, all you have done is "ekmelerine bal surdunuz" you have put honey on ther bread well done.

For fire there are estinguishers, For robbery there are alarms, For accidents there are airbags and am sure we can find something for the bombs. GCs are allowed to pass to "TRNC" just showing their passports and they can put a bomb anytime and anywhere. Arent you scared of this also? The army is in their "camps" and they cannot protect us from dangers such as a bombing. Its the police's whose responsible for public safety. I dont see any security guards on public places that could protect us from any danger. Do you believe if the turkish army leaves, the GCs will start attacking the TCs just like that? I personally dont coz it sounds "primitive" and I think GCs are civilized people. On top of this, there is the EU factor which means they should be careful on their actions towards the TCs. I personally do trust to the EU policies.

Thats all I am asking for what are those estinguishers and alarms going to be that will act as safeguards against being dominated or exploited by the numerical majority? or do you suggest that we close our eyes and take a leap of faith into union with GCs were safeguards are not in place and we are left at their mercy. When you go for a job interview in a united Cyprus and you are rejected by a totally GC interview team for the only reason that you are a TC dont come running to me, GCs are experts at providing you with logical explanations to why you were rejected covering up the reality of the situation.

I and many TCs no longer trust the EU they have to make good on their promises to restore their depleated crediblity with the TC people. You are free to put your future in the hands of the GC south at anytime seeing that you are content in the fact that if anything shoudl go wrong the EU will bail you out, they have to have 300 mettings to decide buying a pen can you imagine what they will do in a moent of crisis, good luck.

I already told what I think about the safety issue....and yes...the "inhumane embargous"... All TCs should be saying "the only friend of a turk is another turk", ignore the rest of the world and forget about the ambargous. *sarcasm*. Sorry but I dont have same dreams as Denktas; where "TRNC is recognized by the rest of the world" and I dont want to be a part of "CcC". We depend on Turkey economically coz we havent yet found a mutual solution for the cyprus problem. I am trying to be realistic. No other solution will bring our children a future other than "mutual solutions". Dependence on Turkey brings us no benefits other than the cool title "pirates of the mediterranean" and this dependence blocks the development of "TRNC". North have great potential for healthy-development under EU and that will benefit both TCs and GCs.

For 44 years TCs have been looking for "mutual solutions" but this can not be achieved on our own, do you honestly feel a people that have their own recognized country and all the benefits that bring want to share that cake? if you do you are kidding yourself, if you accept to assimilate into the GC majority you can do that tomorrow no one is stopping move south and live happily ever after but dont force me to do the same, ı need my safeguards to ensure I am not pushed to one side by the 80% that has shown me nothing but hardship.

I truly feel that we will never agree a solution with Gcs as the chasm is to wide but I am open to be persuaded by safeguards and guarantees that will insure my role in a united Cyprus will be one where I can influence my own future and not have the GC force decisions that will effect my community negatively, in my own designated state.

Would you rather be a Pirate or a Slave?

I have respect to the evaluations about me as you are probably much older than me. However you should understand that I have some real concerns about my future and the future of next generations. I see no future of the "TRNC" and I dont think it will ever be recognized. It has been 33 years and nothing changed, we are still "pirates of the mediterranean". How long are we gonna wait for? If you know a better path that we can follow to bring a better tomorrow then please say so.

I appreciate your concerns about your future but it appears you are wll on the way to getting a first class education therefore the world is your oyster, you are young and can work anywhere you wish, even the south if you feel that that is the promised land.

The TRNC will always be here and you have to learn to accept it with all its imperfections, we will strive to make things better for future generations and I am really hopeful that in time isolation will be eased and TCs will propsper thus providing better employment opportunites for our youth. Think of it this way we TCs are 1000 times better off than were in the 1960s and in the future you will be better off than we are. When faced with political obstacles our progress will be slower but dont give up your faith in the TRNC because it is where your community live and breath and where you belong, when the time comes we have to hand over the flag to you to build a better future for generations that will follow be it with or in our case without a solution.

[zan]

Listen kid, you will never convince me otherwise, in fact you will not convince anybody with a bit of common sense.

You are a fake and we all know it.

I dont care whether you are convinced or not. You are free to think whatever you like. Its funny how you call me a "kid" but at the same time you are incapable of making "civilized" discussions without "swearing". Sorry but you are not worthy of having discussions with if you dont have "manners"...

Do not worry gizzy! In fact, mrfromng is incapable to of making any civilized, sensible and comprehensible discussion, even when he is swearing. He, together with Zan and Nikephorakos has been assessed among the forum members to be on top of the reversed list of the most intelligent forum members. They are identifiable by their exceptional IQ scores.

You still have not got over this IQ thing have Kifeas. You have been outsmarted by idiots and you still choose to advertise it in your own little way. Still working those brain cells at the gym are you........Why have you been som quite lately. I bet I know the answer but just saying you have no one intelligent to talk to is not backed up by you coming in now and again and calling people names. Now is that anyway for such an intelligent man to be acting, I ask you. OR! Is it because you were giving too much air time to people that knew more than you cared to let out on this forum. I would have a word with the Snake if I were you because he is about to open a very large can of worms on another thread. The story will get out Kifeas no matter what you do so I would let the boy have some fun. He has been taught a leasson many times but he keeps comming back for more. I blame it on the drugs.

[EPSILON]

we have to hand over the flag to you to build a better future for generations that will follow be it with or in our case without a solution.

PLEASE , PLEASE , DO NOT GIVE THIS FLAG TO ANYBODY ELSE. DO NOT DESTROY OUR DESTINY- THE CERTAIN FLAG BELONGS TO US WE NEED IT FOR A CERENOMY IN FORTHCOMING YEARS

[DT.]

we have to hand over the flag to you to build a better future for generations that will follow be it with or in our case without a solution.

PLEASE , PLEASE , DO NOT GIVE THIS FLAG TO ANYBODY ELSE. DO NOT DESTROY OUR DESTINY- THE CERTAIN FLAG BELONGS TO US WE NEED IT FOR A CERENOMY IN FORTHCOMING YEARS

huh?

[Viewpoint]

What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?

[DT.]

What a load of hypocrites only a few months ago people were calling for me to prove i was a TC and not working for the TRNC government. Why were you all silent then?

gizzy is much more likeable.