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[Rain]

I can imagine there could be an end to Universe, but I am sure there is no end to foolishness
This was not said by a Cypriot be sure.

[bigOz]

ODE to the_snake_and_the_crane:

The only person full of shit that is left in this forum (everyone else have decided to retract from verbal abuse) is you RE EOKA SUPPORTING BRAINDEAD PIG!

What gives you the right to address other people's claims as "bullshit" especially when they have been proven as facts with references time and time again?

Where is the proof for your crap claim that "Greek women and children" are being murdered by Turkish army? Show me one and I'll show you Two or three examples proving the Greek army supported EOKA killing Turkish women and children.

You are fool consumed by your emotions and feelings based on the hatred for Turk, and the type of GCs (not in majority) who are standing in the way of any progress for a peaceful co-existence! Do not worry about the women and children, but I'd blow your bloody brains out anytime, as a service to humanity!

Where in Europe did you read that Turks did not suffer or got killed to come up with stupid crap like "Cyprus problem is in black and white". We are viewing the scene through HD widescreen Technicolor projection while you are still living in the dark ages seeing things in black and white. Why don't you just get back into your hole you flipping snake?

People are entitled to their opinion and others who share that opinion may agree with them - what's your problem? Everyone must agree with you? What was the latest proposition you had for a solution to Cyprus problem? You may hate the Turkish army out of frustration of not being able to attack the TRNC (in line with your beliefs) but do not think that many TCs in the North would follow that view! Where was the last time you heard a demonstration by the TCs calling for the Turkish army's withdrawal? Whether you like it or not Turkish army is revered in both Turkey and in Cyprus for being the guardians of secular society, and a protector of their own people. They have not attacked the Greek South militarily since the end of war in 1974, for if they did you and your kind would not have been left around to blabber!

Sorry Lena but this ignorant peasant (who can be nothing else) has been constantly attacking people with a lot of venom (a real snake as he is). I have turned the blind eye to his stupid remarks in the past, but it has only helped him get worse. He is a probing - testing coward, who seeks any opportunity to make a vile comment!

[gizzy]

Firstly thanx for the wellcome ^^

Were you actually educated in the TRNC? and do you live here? Which school did you attend? I have 3 children which have been and are in the state school system and none of them have been exposed to what you claim. If you dont mind can you give me the teachers names that have educated you and made you hate the TRNC like you do.

Yes, I was educated in "TRNC" and now I am attending University in the UK. I didnt claim I was tought to hate "TRNC". I actually said the opposite in my previous posts. At school they teach us to love "TRNC" and Turkey, hate the GCs coz they killed the TCs. They tought us one-sided stories where GCs had the evil role while the TCs were "angels". Morover all the world was against us, the "TRNC", they didnt recognize our republic coz they were on the "evil side" . None of my teachers thought me to "hate" TRNC, even if they did, I wouldnt have told their names here anyways. Your description of my feeling as "hate" towards "TRNC" wouldnt be right as "hate" is extremly strong negative feeling and I would never "hate" the "TRNC". A better description of my feelings is being "un-pleased" more like "unsatisfied" with most things about the "TRNC".

Can you support your sweeping claims that 5year olds are raped everyday? in the TRNC, like daily newspaper stories 365 of them for 2006, its a major claim and should not be ignored. I for one will raise this with the head of police.

I accept that the word "everyday" is incorrect interpretation as I didnt mean it like "every single day" but more like, "very often". Its hard not to see the increased crime rate over the past years and that most of the criminals are jobless people who come to "work" to "TRNC" with no penny in their pockets. I get more scared walking alone on the streets on the north than I that of the south. Infact I feel really confortable during my visits to south while I feel "unsafe" walking along the Kyrenia Bay and am not the only one. All of my friends feels that "TRNC" is getting less safe day after day. Why? coz we allow a lot of dangerous people in and our laws are not good enough to bring justice.

Let me put it this way if you force unficiation and a bomb goes off placed by GC extremists against sharing Cyprus with TCs and your parents are killed will you then say ho its like asking "What do you do if there is a car accident? What do you do if there is a murder? What do you do if there is a fire? What do you do if there is a robbery?" Its not as simple as that and I donot want to enter a situation which would increase these risks more than what we have today in the TRNC. What precautions (I call them safe guards) do you suggest we put in place to ensure that your parents as not bombed to death.
I feel very safe in the TRNC there are 40.000 soldiers here for my protection, do we live on the same island?

For fire there are estinguishers, For robbery there are alarms, For accidents there are airbags and am sure we can find something for the bombs. GCs are allowed to pass to "TRNC" just showing their passports and they can put a bomb anytime and anywhere. Arent you scared of this also? The army is in their "camps" and they cannot protect us from dangers such as a bombing. Its the police's whose responsible for public safety. I dont see any security guards on public places that could protect us from any danger. Do you believe if the turkish army leaves, the GCs will start attacking the TCs just like that? I personally dont coz it sounds "primitive" and I think GCs are civilized people. On top of this, there is the EU factor which means they should be careful on their actions towards the TCs. I personally do trust to the EU policies.

Do you consider the south to be safer than the TRNC? or the TRNC safer than Nigeria or New York? you have get things into perspective. how can you expect be an independent nation when you are financiall dependent on Turkey due to inhumane embargoes which do not allow us to stand on our own 2 feet, do you blame Turkey for giving us financial support and protection or those that try to hold you economically hostage all in the name of making us want a solution.

I already told what I think about the safety issue....and yes...the "inhumane embargous"... All TCs should be saying "the only friend of a turk is another turk", ignore the rest of the world and forget about the ambargous. *sarcasm*. Sorry but I dont have same dreams as Denktas; where "TRNC is recognized by the rest of the world" and I dont want to be a part of "CcC". We depend on Turkey economically coz we havent yet found a mutual solution for the cyprus problem. I am trying to be realistic. No other solution will bring our children a future other than "mutual solutions". Dependence on Turkey brings us no benefits other than the cool title "pirates of the mediterranean" and this dependence blocks the development of "TRNC". North have great potential for healthy-development under EU and that will benefit both TCs and GCs.

You are obviously very young as your comments naive in realtion to your understanding of the Cyprus problem, keep up with the forum and you will soon learn a great deal, that will shape your understanding of the Cyprus issue, nothing is as it seems.

I have respect to the evaluations about me as you are probably much older than me. However you should understand that I have some real concerns about my future and the future of next generations. I see no future of the "TRNC" and I dont think it will ever be recognized. It has been 33 years and nothing changed, we are still "pirates of the mediterranean". How long are we gonna wait for? If you know a better path that we can follow to bring a better tomorrow then please say so.

[LENA]

Sorry Lena but this ignorant peasant (who can be nothing else) has been constantly attacking people with a lot of venom (a real snake as he is). I have turned the blind eye to his stupid remarks in the past, but it has only helped him get worse. He is a probing - testing coward, who seeks any opportunity to make a vile comment!

You are forgiven...erm...but why you apologize to me?

[LENA]

Firstly thanx for the wellcome ^^

Were you actually educated in the TRNC? and do you live here? Which school did you attend? I have 3 children which have been and are in the state school system and none of them have been exposed to what you claim. If you dont mind can you give me the teachers names that have educated you and made you hate the TRNC like you do.

Yes, I was educated in "TRNC" and now I am attending University in the UK. I didnt claim I was tought to hate "TRNC". I actually said the opposite in my previous posts. At school they teach us to love "TRNC" and Turkey, hate the GCs coz they killed the TCs. They tought us one-sided stories where GCs had the evil role while the TCs were "angels". Morover all the world was against us, the "TRNC", they didnt recognize our republic coz they were on the "evil side" . None of my teachers thought me to "hate" TRNC, even if they did, I wouldnt have told their names here anyways. Your description of my feeling as "hate" towards "TRNC" wouldnt be right as "hate" is extremly strong negative feeling and I would never "hate" the "TRNC". A better description of my feelings is being "un-pleased" more like "unsatisfied" with most things about the "TRNC".

Can you support your sweeping claims that 5year olds are raped everyday? in the TRNC, like daily newspaper stories 365 of them for 2006, its a major claim and should not be ignored. I for one will raise this with the head of police.

I accept that the word "everyday" is incorrect interpretation as I didnt mean it like "every single day" but more like, "very often". Its hard not to see the increased crime rate over the past years and that most of the criminals are jobless people who come to "work" to "TRNC" with no penny in their pockets. I get more scared walking alone on the streets on the north than I that of the south. Infact I feel really confortable during my visits to south while I feel "unsafe" walking along the Kyrenia Bay and am not the only one. All of my friends feels that "TRNC" is getting less safe day after day. Why? coz we allow a lot of dangerous people in and our laws are not good enough to bring justice.

Let me put it this way if you force unficiation and a bomb goes off placed by GC extremists against sharing Cyprus with TCs and your parents are killed will you then say ho its like asking "What do you do if there is a car accident? What do you do if there is a murder? What do you do if there is a fire? What do you do if there is a robbery?" Its not as simple as that and I donot want to enter a situation which would increase these risks more than what we have today in the TRNC. What precautions (I call them safe guards) do you suggest we put in place to ensure that your parents as not bombed to death.
I feel very safe in the TRNC there are 40.000 soldiers here for my protection, do we live on the same island?

For fire there are estinguishers, For robbery there are alarms, For accidents there are airbags and am sure we can find something for the bombs. GCs are allowed to pass to "TRNC" just showing their passports and they can put a bomb anytime and anywhere. Arent you scared of this also? The army is in their "camps" and they cannot protect us from dangers such as a bombing. Its the police's whose responsible for public safety. I dont see any security guards on public places that could protect us from any danger. Do you believe if the turkish army leaves, the GCs will start attacking the TCs just like that? I personally dont coz it sounds "primitive" and I think GCs are civilized people. On top of this, there is the EU factor which means they should be careful on their actions towards the TCs. I personally do trust to the EU policies.

Do you consider the south to be safer than the TRNC? or the TRNC safer than Nigeria or New York? you have get things into perspective. how can you expect be an independent nation when you are financiall dependent on Turkey due to inhumane embargoes which do not allow us to stand on our own 2 feet, do you blame Turkey for giving us financial support and protection or those that try to hold you economically hostage all in the name of making us want a solution.

I already told what I think about the safety issue....and yes...the "inhumane embargous"... All TCs should be saying "the only friend of a turk is another turk", ignore the rest of the world and forget about the ambargous. *sarcasm*. Sorry but I dont have same dreams as Denktas; where "TRNC is recognized by the rest of the world" and I dont want to be a part of "CcC". We depend on Turkey economically coz we havent yet found a mutual solution for the cyprus problem. I am trying to be realistic. No other solution will bring our children a future other than "mutual solutions". Dependence on Turkey brings us no benefits other than the cool title "pirates of the mediterranean" and this dependence blocks the development of "TRNC". North have great potential for healthy-development under EU and that will benefit both TCs and GCs.

You are obviously very young as your comments naive in realtion to your understanding of the Cyprus problem, keep up with the forum and you will soon learn a great deal, that will shape your understanding of the Cyprus issue, nothing is as it seems.

I have respect to the evaluations about me as you are probably much older than me. However you should understand that I have some real concerns about my future and the future of next generations. I see no future of the "TRNC" and I dont think it will ever be recognized. It has been 33 years and nothing changed, we are still "pirates of the mediterranean". How long are we gonna wait for? If you know a better path that we can follow to bring a better tomorrow then please say so.

[zan]

I think this is a very telling post DT. You have no fear of the Turks because there is no fear to be had. You feel safe because you know that Turkey can do you no more harm.

Bullshit number one. Turkey has 40,000 troops pointing in our direction holding our properties to ransom and you say it can do us no harm. Only ten years ago, Tassos Isak and Solomos Solomou were murdered by the Turkish government, in broad daylight, because the made stand against the Turkish occupation of their homes. Turkey can do no harm? Turkey has a strong history of harming its neighbours and minorities within its borders.

The opposite applies to us. The chilling stories I have heard from my brother in-law that would plead with the UN soldiers to go and stop the Greeks from killing people right in front of them. Does the EU have an agenda about internal conflict.

Zan seems to be a master of melodrama - most of which is bullshit i would like to add. Stop trying to constantly play the victim Zan, the outside world doesnt believe you. The facts of the Cyprus conflict are there in black and white and have been examined by European Courts of Human Rights etc.

Are other EU countries aloud to come in and stop a government that has said that there has been an uprising against it and had to kill terrorists. There are many ways to kill and many excuses on how and why you started killing. This Turk hating government of yours DT will bully us and I have no doubt about that. We will have to fight for every little thing that we should be entitled to and that will bring about bad feeling.

YOU being bullied!? The Turkish army kill countless innocent Cypriot children and old people, ethnically cleanse the north, hold it to ransom, taunt us by painting ultra-nationalist slogans EVERYWHERE, and you play the one being bullied!? Your wrong in the head Zan.

Look what happened last time we tried to put our political rights into practise.

You walked out of government because Turkey told you to do so and you did not want to live in a fair democratic country.

Sorry my friend but times have not changed that much and if you cannot see the many ways that an internal conflict can happen and why it cannot be stopped or may even be aided from outside hen o wonder you are not afraid or paranoid.

Times have not changed in Cyprus since the 1960's and 70's? What a joke. Cyprus society has almost totally changed. This guy has hardly ever been to Cyprus and never ever been to the free areas in the south. How can he sit and tell us how times have not changed. dickhead.

It is one thing to be afraid of the dark and what you don't understand but it is quite another to see the realities and what could and possibly will happen.

Another meaningless Zan line.

excellent post zan, spot on.

So says the Turkish facist. Says it all about you two.

I am afraid to say that this is exactly what I have written about and protested about the whole time I have been posting on any of the sites. The typical mentality of a brainwashed mind that excepts nothing of what has happened. The refugee card has been played so often by the "RoC" that idiots like this think that that is all there is to the Cyprus problem. The world is listening Mr. DJ and they are seeing the lies that has been fed to them for so long. The awaking for you will come and it will not be an easy one. The refugees like me that the EOKA terrorists caused and have kept out of the country are coming back to haunt it. Have no doubt of that.

[bigOz]

gizzy! you cannot come in the middle of heated debates about what is going on in Cyprus and act like the "new Messiah" everyone has been waiting for! You say you are from TRNC but a lot of your comments were far from truth and smelled of something else. Perhaps more of a thinking process and less of amusing comments would have helped. You are persisting in the same mistakes which leaves me to still believe you are not really a TC.

For example:

Yes, I was educated in "TRNC" and now I am attending University in the UK. I didn't claim I was taught to hate "TRNC". I actually said the opposite in my previous posts. At school they teach us to love "TRNC" and Turkey, hate the GCs coz they killed the TCs. They tought us one-sided stories where GCs had the evil role while the TCs were "angels". Morover all the world was against us, the "TRNC", they didnt recognize our republic coz they were on the "evil side"

I attended the Uni in UK and so did thousands of others before you - and when the Turkish part was a lot poorer and more desperate. By this stage we should all know how to word the truth.

The truth is you are taught of the atrocities EOKA members carried out but NO ONE TELLS YOU TO HATE GREEK CYPRIOTS! Is that not right?

The other truth is the stories are not "one sided", because no one denies the Greek Cypriots plight of leaving in their thousands to the South or getting killed - but are explained within the context of the invasion. No one actually told you that TCs are ANGELS, and if they did they would not be too far off, because TCs themselves never attacked the GCs with the intention of destroying them but had always been on th the defensive - is that not right?

How is it that you are criticising Turkey's financial and economic support for the TCs, without which the TCs would have been extinct by now? What was / is the alternative - starve to death? What would be your proposal for the TCs economic position?

It seems to me your main concern is about not being able to have a future in TRNC after graduating from Uni and studying whatever it is you intend to study. I am sure if you keep up fictional anti-TC comments as you have tried to in this forum, the South will definitely offer you a job.

I do not have a problem with constructive criticism of any unjust social and/or economic developments in the North. I also more than welcome any actions in the North that would help towards a unified Republic of Cyprus - but lets not get carried away and start sounding like blabbering idiots please!

[gizzy]

I smell something fishy with this gizzy person. Nothing in his post is convincing, sorry young man but you come across as a fake.

Give us school and teachers names. Tell us how the lessons are conducted when you are taught to hate GCs. Unless you can give us solid evidence that this is happening in our schools I will take your stories with a pinch of salt.

FYI, I have nephews and cousins your age attending schools in the TRNC and none have been subjected to what you are claiming. Are you sure you are not some attention seeker? can you convince us that you are not a fake?

Fishy and not convincing?lol. What do we learn in history books written by Vehbi Zeki Serter? Isnt all the TCs always the "innocent" victims while "GC"s wanted ENOSIS and they formed EOKA? Dont they show pictures of innocent people being killed? I used to get 10 from history and I learned Vehbi Zeki Serter history well. I know the basic idea of these books is make it seem like GCs are bad and Turkey is good, Ottomans wre good, TCs were always the victims. What these books teach a person is "hatret" towards GC and "love" towards turkish nation and you know it well. I dont think Vehbi Zeki Serter kind of books teach nice things about GCs to children, showing pictures of death people is "brainwashing" small minds and "propoganda" ...

[MR-from-NG]

gizzy! you cannot come in the middle of heated debates about what is going on in Cyprus and act like the "new Messiah" everyone has been waiting for! You say you are from TRNC but a lot of your comments were far from truth and smelled of something else. Perhaps more of a thinking process and less of amusing comments would have helped. You are persisting in the same mistakes which leaves me to still believe you are not really a TC.

For example:

Yes, I was educated in "TRNC" and now I am attending University in the UK. I didn't claim I was taught to hate "TRNC". I actually said the opposite in my previous posts. At school they teach us to love "TRNC" and Turkey, hate the GCs coz they killed the TCs. They tought us one-sided stories where GCs had the evil role while the TCs were "angels". Morover all the world was against us, the "TRNC", they didnt recognize our republic coz they were on the "evil side"

I attended the Uni in UK and so did thousands of others before you - and when the Turkish part was a lot poorer and more desperate. By this stage we should all know how to word the truth.

The truth is you are taught of the atrocities EOKA members carried out but NO ONE TELLS YOU TO HATE GREEK CYPRIOTS! Is that not right?

The other truth is the stories are not "one sided", because no one denies the Greek Cypriots plight of leaving in their thousands to the South or getting killed - but are explained within the context of the invasion. No one actually told you that TCs are ANGELS, and if they did they would not be too far off, because TCs themselves never attacked the GCs with the intention of destroying them but had always been on th the defensive - is that not right?

How is it that you are criticising Turkey's financial and economic support for the TCs, without which the TCs would have been extinct by now? What was / is the alternative - starve to death? What would be your proposal for the TCs economic position?

It seems to me your main concern is about not being able to have a future in TRNC after graduating from Uni and studying whatever it is you intend to study. I am sure if you keep up fictional anti-TC comments as you have tried to in this forum, the South will definitely offer you a job.

I do not have a problem with constructive criticism of any unjust social and/or economic developments in the North. I also more than welcome any actions in the North that would help towards a unified Republic of Cyprus - but lets not get carried away and start sounding like blabbering idiots please!

Well said bigOz and for all its worth I still say gizzy is a fake.

[gizzy]

OMG I was gone for a while and now as I read the posts I find out some TCs thinks am a fake.... lol....

Ben sahte deilim. Anlamassıznız ama? Yoksa işinize gelmez? ^^
Translation:
Am not a "fake"... Dont you get it?. Or you dont like my posts and thats why you claim such things
lol