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The shame of the EU

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby DT. » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:50 am

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edu500ac wrote:I am not TC or GC. I have entered this forum because I would like to learn what is going on. Please, my friends TC, correct me if I am wrong. I understand that (1) You are a minority (2) As any minority, in any part of the world, you agree to speak and use only the language that the majority have chosen as the official language of the country, a language that all the world respect, since it is the main vehicle of culture and civilization (3) You agree with elections where one man has one vote (4) You accept schools where classes are taught in Greek. To make a long story short, I understand that you accept the language, the decisions, and the laws voted by the majority. However that majority does not want you, like the Americans do not want us, native americans or Hispanics (in fact, Hispanics have nothing to do with people from Spain, they are native Americans that learned to speak Spanish). Did I understand the Cyprus problem well? Please, my friends GC, do not be mad at me. I just want to understand, and I do not want to take sides. I read a lot about displaced people too. As I understand it, the TC wanted to return the properties (houses, and land plots) that belong to GC in the nothern part of the island, in return for their acceptance in the Cypriot society, and in the EU as consequence; however, the GCs have not accepted these conditions, and refused to return to their ancestral homes. Did I understand well the root of the problem?

My GC friends, you are the inheritors of a civilization that goes back to almost 3000 years in the past. It is the civilization that gave us the alphabet, the mathematics, the logic, the democracy, the scientific notation, the philosophy, the most beautiful plays, etc. I do not need to talk about your past glories, because you do not ignore them. There isn't a single university in the world worth of the name, without a department of Greek language and civilization. I think that you should accept the Turk minority back, on the condition that they accept your beautiful language as the only official language of the country, your laws, as the laws voted by the majority, and the authorities that the majority choose to rule the country. There are many examples in the world of minority living according the rules of the majority. For instance, in the United States the Hispanics accept English as the official language in most states, even in states where they are the majority; they accept the laws voted by the majority of the people, etc. In Brazil, there is a huge German population; however, the Germans accept Portuguese as the official language, send their children to Portuguese schools, and accept the government elected by the Portuguese speakers. Since the TC are ready to abide to your laws, return properties that were alienated from you, and adopt your beautiful language, why don't you simply forget everything, and accept them back?


Hello edu500ac, it seems you are misinformed. Who told you that TCs are willing to accept Greek language, return the land, and all the other things you said?

In fact TCs who are the 18% of people do not even accept they are a minority - something totally illogical, but thats what they claim!! They do not want democracy with one man one vote, on the contrary they want their 18% to have the same power as the 82% of Greek Cypriots.

So the problem is not that we do not want them back. The problem is that they are using the army of Turkey to gain on our loss land and powers that do not belong to them.


don't think our friend here is not really a GC or a TC. Call me paranoid but he cuts too close to the bone.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:26 pm

He already said he is a hispanic(?) living in the USA
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Postby DT. » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:49 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:He already said he is a hispanic(?) living in the USA


and I'm a Moldavian Swahili.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:54 pm

Mashalla sou!
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Postby Bohemiantriumph » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:27 pm

I have only just joined the Cyprus Forum, and on wise advice I have been observing it for a couple of days before expressing an opinion. I shall be writing on this forum and identifying how I see myself as a citizen and a human both of which are germaine to the views I hold and to the issues for which this forum was created. However this is a quick reply to the exchanges above, which seem to be typical of many such exchanges.
On first impression I am deeply saddened by the partisanship, the bitterness, the lack of ability to "walk in another's shoes" and the strident attacks that seem to appear from time to time. I am 61 in about 10 days and I have observed "The Cyprus Problem" (from the UK where I was born) since there was just one BBC TV channel which was thought to be free and non-partisan by the British people at the time. Having been recently dragged kicking and screaming into the Iraq war by a government that shames the terms socialism, democracy and accountability a large minority, perhaps even a small majority of the British people are no longer so naive.
I have seen the decay of British Imperialism and Colonialism, the differing accounts of various important events by the BBC then as opposed to the accounts of family members and other direct connections who reported events much more directly. I have been aware since being myself of a single figure age that the media do not always know, let alone tell the truth, and of course the truth-index varies according to who is doing what to whom, how much the government or other interests (such as multinational corporations) have influence within the particular newspaper or TV newsrooms, the political complexions and agendas of the owners of those media etc.
To witness the results of propaganda and prejudice rather than reason, heart, humanity and a desire for universal happiness has saddened me as I ripen into the best years of my life. My only enemies are dominance, hatred, ignorance, greed, misinformation and manipulation, not people.
Therefore I ask all those who participate in this forum, the purpose for which must be dialogue rather than diatribe by its very existance, to consider the analogy of a neo-imperialist USA government and the terrible havoc they are wreaking in the world, whose people no longer support them (by 70%) over, for example, Iraq, an analogy which I am daring to draw in relation to how Cyprus has been continually let down by US and UK dominated politics, before so-called independence, during the years before 1974 and since the events of that and subsequent years. My father lived in a village that was part Greek in culture, population and institutions and part Turkish. There was a Mosque and a Church. The Doctor was Greek, the Policeman Turkish. And nobody gave a damn. Everybody gossipped at the fountain and both Greek-and-Turkish Cypriots played Tavli in the Kafenio (backgammon in the Caf).
Please let us stop squabbling amongst ourselves (as many of us who live in the UK, especially North London, do not) and remember that it was big country politics that destroyed the integrity of Cyprus, not the people, whatever their ethnic origin.
If you have prejudices, get over them and grow up. We are all the same species, whatever you believe. It happens to be my belief that the future DOES belong to the people of the world, not the multi-nationals, politicians and manipulators. They are all crooks. Politics MEANS deception and prevarication, propaganda and manipulation. But people can, with a will to be the best they can be for themselves and their own self-responsibility, and for the future of their offspring, agree to overcome any obstacles to living harmoniously with each other. Such an attitude simplifies everything, and the prophets of both sides have taught the same thing, whether you follow them or not.
I may no doubt be attacked as an idealist and a fool. If this is so I am happy to have lived so far in that condition and will be happy to die even further along the path of self-realisation that has supported my so-called idealism/foolishness all these years.
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Postby paaul12 » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:01 pm

Bohemiantriumph Welcome 2 the forum, what a great first post.

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Postby Bohemiantriumph » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:28 pm

Paaul12, thank you for your first sentence. As for the second, it is so enigmatic as to have the possibility of such a broad spectrum of meanings that I do not quite know how to respond to it.
Roughly translated, that means: huh?
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Postby paaul12 » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:38 pm

It simply means that from reading your post, I see that you have so much to offer, with your words of wisdom, good luck.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:10 pm

paaul12 wrote:It simply means that from reading your post, I see that you have so much to offer, with your words of wisdom, good luck.

What a shame we cant say the same for you mate !
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Postby RichardB » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:13 pm

For the first time ever I agree with Paaul12
What a fantastic first posting bohemiantriumph
hope your stay on the forum is a long one
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