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[zan]

It is not the Turkish Cypriots who will lose in the long run. The EU and Greek Cypriots will be the ultimate losers. They will inevitably lose the Turkish Cypriots, the northern territories of Cyprus and the Turks of the motherland Turkey.

So what is he complaining about then? Everything is going according to plan for the TC's! No?

You had me fooled all along GR, I did not know that you were a partitionist also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hos geldin, safa geldin.

Have I expressed an opinion here with this post?

Talk about putting words in one's mouth!

Is there another GR here then?????

Am I to believe dear Zan that after posting umpteen messages you still can't tell the difference between posting an opinion and asking a simple question??? <--- know what these weird symbols mean? <--This too?

Have you had your dinner yet?

As a matter of fact I had to make do with Pastirma and chips in pitta bread tonight. I await the indegestion.

When you first started posting a while back it was with such arrogance that people queued up to tell you to grow up and get real. I thought that that amount of slapping had helped you to come of age. This series of posts does not reflect that. Do you want to stop messing around or are you getting ready for the next slapping.

[miltiades]

The same old excuses used to justify the persecution of a people that just wanted to live peacefully on their homeland. First of all we stood in the way of ENOSIS and now unification. Do you people have any shame in you at all. ENOSIS, we get it in the neck. Helping the British, we get it in the neck. Partition, we get it in the neck. What excuse are you going to use next to justify our persecution.

So you are now standing in the way of unification !! You people you say !!
And yet you have in the past given us all these nonsense on having G/C friends. You see Zombie , people like me would never use the phrase "You people " because I consider the people , the T/Cs , to be my people so using such condecending words is out of the question. Lets remind our selves that we are all first and foremost Cypriots . We all consider rightly that Cyprus is our country , let us stop these constant spreading of hatred and in the words of J.L "give peace a chance. " Try it now and again , you may learn something about peoples' feelings. Dont be a bloody zombie.

[zan]

The same old excuses used to justify the persecution of a people that just wanted to live peacefully on their homeland. First of all we stood in the way of ENOSIS and now unification. Do you people have any shame in you at all. ENOSIS, we get it in the neck. Helping the British, we get it in the neck. Partition, we get it in the neck. What excuse are you going to use next to justify our persecution.

So you are now standing in the way of unification !! You people you say !!
And yet you have in the past given us all these nonsense on having G/C friends. You see Zombie , people like me would never use the phrase "You people " because I consider the people , the T/Cs , to be my people so using such condecending words is out of the question. Lets remind our selves that we are all first and foremost Cypriots . We all consider rightly that Cyprus is our country , let us stop these constant spreading of hatred and in the words of J.L "give peace a chance. " Try it now and again , you may learn something about peoples' feelings. Dont be a bloody zombie.[/quote]


Perhaps if you lived by what you preach I would take you a little bit seriously but alas you have no idea as to what you are saying so that possibility is pretty remote. In the same way as you take the "RoC" and tell us what you see as being wrong and then try to sell it to us.


I will try once again, because I have a big heart, to explain to you that "You people" is used with intent, not in the way as you are trying your best to portray it but in a distint way to seperate those Cypriots that understand and want a true Cyprus with the special conditions needed in place and "You people" that don't.

[DT.]

The same old excuses used to justify the persecution of a people that just wanted to live peacefully on their homeland. First of all we stood in the way of ENOSIS and now unification. Do you people have any shame in you at all. ENOSIS, we get it in the neck. Helping the British, we get it in the neck. Partition, we get it in the neck. What excuse are you going to use next to justify our persecution.

So you are now standing in the way of unification !! You people you say !!
And yet you have in the past given us all these nonsense on having G/C friends. You see Zombie , people like me would never use the phrase "You people " because I consider the people , the T/Cs , to be my people so using such condecending words is out of the question. Lets remind our selves that we are all first and foremost Cypriots . We all consider rightly that Cyprus is our country , let us stop these constant spreading of hatred and in the words of J.L "give peace a chance. " Try it now and again , you may learn something about peoples' feelings. Dont be a bloody zombie.[/quote]


Perhaps if you lived by what you preach I would take you a little bit seriously but alas you have no idea as to what you are saying so that possibility is pretty remote. In the same way as you take the "RoC" and tell us what you see as being wrong and then try to sell it to us.


I will try once again, because I have a big heart, to explain to you that "You people" is used with intent, not in the way as you are trying your best to portray it but in a distint way to seperate those Cypriots that understand and want a true Cyprus with the special conditions needed in place and "You people" that don't.

so where's my people?

[axilleask]

The so called "isolation" of the TC's is self imposed. If you refuse to recognise the legal goverment of Cyprus and with the help of some 45,000 Turkish troops illegally control 37% of the island, then you know that eventually this has some consequences.
Yes the soil that you are living is inside the EU but also EU recognises that you ILLEGALLY prevent the LEGAL GOVERMENT of CYPRUS to EFFECTIVELLY CONTROL this area.
So until you stop performing illigalities STOP NAGGING !

[edu500ac]

I am not TC or GC. I have entered this forum because I would like to learn what is going on. Please, my friends TC, correct me if I am wrong. I understand that (1) You are a minority (2) As any minority, in any part of the world, you agree to speak and use only the language that the majority have chosen as the official language of the country, a language that all the world respect, since it is the main vehicle of culture and civilization (3) You agree with elections where one man has one vote (4) You accept schools where classes are taught in Greek. To make a long story short, I understand that you accept the language, the decisions, and the laws voted by the majority. However that majority does not want you, like the Americans do not want us, native americans or Hispanics (in fact, Hispanics have nothing to do with people from Spain, they are native Americans that learned to speak Spanish). Did I understand the Cyprus problem well? Please, my friends GC, do not be mad at me. I just want to understand, and I do not want to take sides. I read a lot about displaced people too. As I understand it, the TC wanted to return the properties (houses, and land plots) that belong to GC in the nothern part of the island, in return for their acceptance in the Cypriot society, and in the EU as consequence; however, the GCs have not accepted these conditions, and refused to return to their ancestral homes. Did I understand well the root of the problem?

My GC friends, you are the inheritors of a civilization that goes back to almost 3000 years in the past. It is the civilization that gave us the alphabet, the mathematics, the logic, the democracy, the scientific notation, the philosophy, the most beautiful plays, etc. I do not need to talk about your past glories, because you do not ignore them. There isn't a single university in the world worth of the name, without a department of Greek language and civilization. I think that you should accept the Turk minority back, on the condition that they accept your beautiful language as the only official language of the country, your laws, as the laws voted by the majority, and the authorities that the majority choose to rule the country. There are many examples in the world of minority living according the rules of the majority. For instance, in the United States the Hispanics accept English as the official language in most states, even in states where they are the majority; they accept the laws voted by the majority of the people, etc. In Brazil, there is a huge German population; however, the Germans accept Portuguese as the official language, send their children to Portuguese schools, and accept the government elected by the Portuguese speakers. Since the TC are ready to abide to your laws, return properties that were alienated from you, and adopt your beautiful language, why don't you simply forget everything, and accept them back?

[Pyrpolizer]

We were an ex British Colony my friend. Then population in 1960 (when the British left) was 82% GCs 18% TCs. When the British left they made the Cyprus Republic where the GCs would have the President and the Tcs the Vice President with veto rights, the TCs would have 30% in the parliament, 30% of the Government jobs and 40% in the Army and Police, and both Greek and Turkish would be official languages.

This is just the start of the Cyprus problem, I am afraid your understanding is miles off away. I don't blame you really but 99% of what you wrote above is not correct. Please read through this forum and you will understand.

[Pyrpolizer]

So coming back to this Bologna convention.

Has anybody tried to find what this is? Has anybody tried to find out why the Univerities in the occupied were not considered?

The answer is: NO

Yet everybody took for granted the propaganda article of a Turkish newspaper saying "the GCs excluded us".

And then you wonder where all those blinkers come from.

Just for the information of the TC friends (and non friends) in here: There are at least 4 Private Universities in the free areas. Does this mean they qualify as Universities according to EU standards? The truth is the majority of their courses DO NOT. Does this mean the RoC banns it's own Univerities???

In short there is a Board in every EU country that checks the level of such institutuions and whether they qualify as Universities. Not every 4 year school is a Univeristy. Hearing that people like Fanos and Tony teach at the East Univerity without even having a PhD makes me wonder if they are really Univeristies or just some Higher education Institutions.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just like I suspected.

The Bologna Process aims to create a European Higher Education Area by 2010, in which students can choose from a wide and transparent range of high quality courses and benefit from smooth recognition procedures. The Bologna Declaration (pdf format) of June 1999 has put in motion a series of reforms needed to make European Higher Education more compatible and comparable, more competitive and more attractive for Europeans and for students and scholars from other continents.

http://ec.europa.eu/education/policies/ ... na_en.html


I doubt the Univerities in the occupied applied through the legal Government that represents Cyprus in the EU, so as usual they are shooting themselves and complaining the Gcs "excluded" them.

[Piratis]

I am not TC or GC. I have entered this forum because I would like to learn what is going on. Please, my friends TC, correct me if I am wrong. I understand that (1) You are a minority (2) As any minority, in any part of the world, you agree to speak and use only the language that the majority have chosen as the official language of the country, a language that all the world respect, since it is the main vehicle of culture and civilization (3) You agree with elections where one man has one vote (4) You accept schools where classes are taught in Greek. To make a long story short, I understand that you accept the language, the decisions, and the laws voted by the majority. However that majority does not want you, like the Americans do not want us, native americans or Hispanics (in fact, Hispanics have nothing to do with people from Spain, they are native Americans that learned to speak Spanish). Did I understand the Cyprus problem well? Please, my friends GC, do not be mad at me. I just want to understand, and I do not want to take sides. I read a lot about displaced people too. As I understand it, the TC wanted to return the properties (houses, and land plots) that belong to GC in the nothern part of the island, in return for their acceptance in the Cypriot society, and in the EU as consequence; however, the GCs have not accepted these conditions, and refused to return to their ancestral homes. Did I understand well the root of the problem?

My GC friends, you are the inheritors of a civilization that goes back to almost 3000 years in the past. It is the civilization that gave us the alphabet, the mathematics, the logic, the democracy, the scientific notation, the philosophy, the most beautiful plays, etc. I do not need to talk about your past glories, because you do not ignore them. There isn't a single university in the world worth of the name, without a department of Greek language and civilization. I think that you should accept the Turk minority back, on the condition that they accept your beautiful language as the only official language of the country, your laws, as the laws voted by the majority, and the authorities that the majority choose to rule the country. There are many examples in the world of minority living according the rules of the majority. For instance, in the United States the Hispanics accept English as the official language in most states, even in states where they are the majority; they accept the laws voted by the majority of the people, etc. In Brazil, there is a huge German population; however, the Germans accept Portuguese as the official language, send their children to Portuguese schools, and accept the government elected by the Portuguese speakers. Since the TC are ready to abide to your laws, return properties that were alienated from you, and adopt your beautiful language, why don't you simply forget everything, and accept them back?

Hello edu500ac, it seems you are misinformed. Who told you that TCs are willing to accept Greek language, return the land, and all the other things you said?

In fact TCs who are the 18% of people do not even accept they are a minority - something totally illogical, but thats what they claim!! They do not want democracy with one man one vote, on the contrary they want their 18% to have the same power as the 82% of Greek Cypriots.

So the problem is not that we do not want them back. The problem is that they are using the army of Turkey to gain on our loss land and powers that do not belong to them.