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[Viewpoint]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

I have to agree with your synopsis Piratis and must admit that it worries me that we have invested so much and risk throwing it all up in the air just because a few individuals are too short sighted of the long term implications of all these bizare "plans" out there and are so eager to gamble their very civilisation so that they may see a "solution" in their lifetime! As if Cyprus began and ends in THEIR lifetime! How selfish of them!

When I see the TC community I see a troubled people that need to be SURGICALLY SALVAGED OUT of this predicament with Turkey and not our other business half as some of them seem to think!

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way. You are slowly coming around like many others....Long live the TRNC.

My views never changed VP. Show me a post (with the exception of a dummy on ATCA) when I proposed or expressed support for partition or partnership even! I try my hardest to speak the truth and I know it's not always pleasant.

There is no disrespect expressed or implied intended to ANY of my fellow members.

With such a problematic union parittion is the only way forward can you help persuade your community that we are peasants unskilled and uneducated that would bring your economy down to zero and that partition is best all round?

[Get Real!]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

I have to agree with your synopsis Piratis and must admit that it worries me that we have invested so much and risk throwing it all up in the air just because a few individuals are too short sighted of the long term implications of all these bizare "plans" out there and are so eager to gamble their very civilisation so that they may see a "solution" in their lifetime! As if Cyprus began and ends in THEIR lifetime! How selfish of them!

When I see the TC community I see a troubled people that need to be SURGICALLY SALVAGED OUT of this predicament with Turkey and not our other business half as some of them seem to think!

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way. You are slowly coming around like many others....Long live the TRNC.

My views never changed VP. Show me a post (with the exception of a dummy on ATCA) when I proposed or expressed support for partition or partnership even! I try my hardest to speak the truth and I know it's not always pleasant.

There is no disrespect expressed or implied intended to ANY of my fellow members.

With such a problematic union parittion is the only way forward can you help persuade your community that we are peasants unskilled and uneducated that would bring your economy down to zero and that partition is best all round?

Ok, I’ll talk to the Patriarch tomorrow!

I haven't actually eliminated "union" but it has to be done SURGICALLY and not CLUMSILY like so many are suggesting. I like to call my uniting method “assimilation” while others call it a “partnership”.

It’s a hell of a complex problem VP and if I had the choice I wouldn’t want to be part of it I assure you. I need to go have a break in one of the funny threads... catch you later.

[denizaksulu]

So Get Real has Got Real. Well then the TCs have to do nothing. Everything is decided, done and sealed because GR has said so. Any bets on Tpop winning?

[denizaksulu]

Piratis you are such a wally. Do you have to echo GRs words all the time? I guess not as you have no brain of your own.
Oh dear, is it that late? Well Ibetter go get some sleep. Good morning

[askimwos]

GR and Piratis, I am sorry to say that I consider your views about adopting a "defensive" strategy until when (and if) the balance of power shifts is severely dangerous one. It is time to wake up and realise that the continuation of such a strategy will lead us to a complete turkification of the occuppied areas and to permament partition, especially in the case that TCs get some sort of Taiwan "recognition".

No surprise Akel and its members chose to distance themselves from such a strategy and go it on their own in the forthcoming elections.

The same arguments and scaremongering about the economy have been widely used before the referendum. Personally I voted No but the economic "dangers" that were hugely exagerated (on purpose) at the time by the No camp were not the reasons I decided to vote against the plan. People have to understand that in the event of a solution there is bound to be some turbulance in the economy and that the wealthy community in going to take the burden. The same happened with the unification of Germany. However, the almost doubling of the natural resources of the island in the event of unification, plus the huge reconstrunction projects that will need to go ahead guarantee huge economic growth likely to be close or above 10% year on year. You also talk about a unified economy. Let me remind you that the fact that Cyprus is an EU member and in 6 months time is joining the Euro guarantee one economy, one powerful central bank and what you really call a unified economy. Afterall 90% of the decision making about the RoC economy are taken in Brussels and not in the RoC.
You also chose to forget that in the event of a solution the Cyprus coastine will double - GC experiences and companies in the area of tourism can help the TC community develop their tourism industry hugely. The RoC has more than 2.5million tourist a year, just think what these number will look like in the event of unification.

Bringing the TC community to par with the GC one will take some 5-10 years to realise, but I do not think that 5 years of turbulance in the economy is such a high prize to pay for the unification of our country.

It is security that is the most important thing in a solution and not the short term economic turbulances. The indefinite continuation of the "motherlands guarantees" and the stationing of foreign troops surely do not help towards the creation of a healthy security environment as they create a climate of fear, especially to the GC side. Only complete dimilitarisation of the island and pure independence can create the climate needed for GCs, at least, to take the risk and invest in the development of the north of our country.

[zan]

Askimwos


I think GR already knows all that. Whilst Piratis believes in his little dream, GR is trying a little bit of reverse psychology with the "Change in power" thing for backup.

These are the people that will secure a partition, not because of their silly plans but because of their attempted tricks in thinking that we will fall for hem. They do not see us as equals and believe they can trick their way to having the lions share of everything in Cyprus. I have o say hat if the past is anything to go by they have hope but what they fail to realise is that many TCs from abroad have joined in the fight and are bringing a new dimension to TRNC/KKTC politics. That is not to say hat those that have stayed on the island are stupid, far from it, but the isolation that has been imposed on them has left them with other things to contend with. It is time that they realised they are taking to human beings of equal status and stop this stupidity. They and they alone are the ones that have made me come to the conclusion (long ago) that we cannot live together and partition is the best option. It is not a matter of giving up on unification but giving up on people like that. I am afraid that the "RoC" is run by people like that and as far as the elections go it is up to you guys. The EOKA guys have been running the show for far too long.

[cypezokyli]

No surprise Akel and its members chose to distance themselves from such a strategy and go it on their own in the forthcoming elections.

this is not a fact yet.

but if you are part of the "base" of the party, I hope you know better and that you will support such strategy

[bigOz]

eskimwos wrote:

Bringing the TC community to par with the GC one will take some 5-10 years to realise, but I do not think that 5 years of turbulance in the economy is such a high prize to pay for the unification of our country.

I fail to understand what "economic turbulance" will be delivered to the South by allowing TCs trade their goods with the outside world or increase their tourism activities!

TCs never asked for financial aid from RoC or anyone else for this purpose. Neither have they asked the South to sacrifice any of their own current trade. All they are saying is:

"if you are serious of a solution and do not see the TCs as the enemy, then stop acting like one by encouraging economic embargoes on TCs in the international arena. Let us be, and based on mutual trust, in the long run unification will naturally follow."

Many in this forum look at the above approach as a "trick", or some kind of "hocus - pocus" - that is very far from truth. TCs are just as eager to find a sincere solution for the ongoing controversy. As I always stated, "trust" is the basic ingredient - and how do you trust your next door neighbour who keeps inviting you round for cups of coffee, but talks against you when visiting others?

[DT.]

eskimwos wrote:

Bringing the TC community to par with the GC one will take some 5-10 years to realise, but I do not think that 5 years of turbulance in the economy is such a high prize to pay for the unification of our country.

I fail to understand what "economic turbulance" will be delivered to the South by allowing TCs trade their goods with the outside world or increase their tourism activities!

TCs never asked for financial aid from RoC or anyone else for this purpose. Neither have they asked the South to sacrifice any of their own current trade. All they are saying is:

"if you are serious of a solution and do not see the TCs as the enemy, then stop acting like one by encouraging economic embargoes on TCs in the international arena. Let us be, and based on mutual trust, in the long run unification will naturally follow."

Many in this forum look at the above approach as a "trick", or some kind of "hocus - pocus" - that is very far from truth. TCs are just as eager to find a sincere solution for the ongoing controversy. As I always stated, "trust" is the basic ingredient - and how do you trust your next door neighbour who keeps inviting you round for cups of coffee, but talks against you when visiting others?

anything that remotely promotes the north as a separate state will be obstructed. It doesn't matter if the Dalai Lama is in power here that is the policy that will be followed. Trade falls under that.

[bigOz]

That may well be your view but whether it will achieve anything or it will go on forever remains to be seen. I am sure we shall all be around to see the changes!