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[Piratis]

Askimwos,
My view for what its worth is that the re -election of Tpap will cement partition. I dont feel that that he is serious about a negioated solution.

Issy

So is there a person that if elected will make you magically stop the unjust and unfair demands you have and give us back our lands and human rights and end the illegalities?

Unfortunately I think the only reason you don't want Papadopoulos is because he is an obstacle to your aim of legalizing partition via some Annan or similar partition plan.

[Get Real!]

Will anything change if you re-elect Papadop? obviously you are happy with the progress that has been made over the last 5 years elect him again and you can have more of the same.

What “progress” are some of you TC’s and GC’s expecting VP?

You want the TC’s to be handed 50% control of the RoC even though they haven’t lifted a finger in the last 33 years and in exchange for that they’re offering to supply their 40,000 odd unskilled workers, mostly currently unemployed, who can’t even communicate in English or Greek, and don’t even know the difference between an ISO and a Baklava? You call that a deal?

The great majority of your community will probably end up and remain on the dole and you want me to inherit that? Is that progress or total catastrophe?

Do you know what would happen if they let the currently incompetent “TRNC” folk take over any significant portion of this economy? The whole bloody island will end up relying on Turkish handouts by the end of the year. That’s what’s going to happen!

On top of that you’ve got your “Grey Wolf” brainless peasants who would start detonating bombs, left, right, and center, at a minute’s notice from Ankara and you expect me to risk dealing with that sort of shit all over again???

As a community, you’re in no position whatsoever for anyone to partner up with. Think of it as two companies considering a merger. Would you merge with the company “TRNC” and give them “equal partnership”? Like hell you would!

Only the GRADUAL assimilation of this estranged and problematic community can accommodate such a difficult task without any risk to the people of the RoC, my primary concern, and certainly not some wacky experimental arrangement so that the UK/US and others may have their fun placing their bets over how fast we’ll self-destruct like what happened in 1960!

No thank you sir!

[Piratis]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

[MR-from-NG]

Will anything change if you re-elect Papadop? obviously you are happy with the progress that has been made over the last 5 years elect him again and you can have more of the same.

What “progress” are some of you TC’s and GC’s expecting VP?

You want the TC’s to be handed 50% control of the RoC even though they haven’t lifted a finger in the last 33 years and in exchange for that they’re offering to supply their 40,000 odd unskilled workers, mostly currently unemployed, who can’t even communicate in English or Greek, and don’t even know the difference between an ISO and a Baklava? You call that a deal?

The great majority of your community will probably end up and remain on the dole and you want me to inherit that? Is that progress or total catastrophe?

Do you know what would happen if they let the currently incompetent “TRNC” folk take over any significant portion of this economy? The whole bloody island will end up relying on Turkish handouts by the end of the year. That’s what’s going to happen!

On top of that you’ve got your “Grey Wolf” brainless peasants who would start detonating bombs, left, right, and center, at a minute’s notice from Ankara and you expect me to risk dealing with that sort of shit all over again???

As a community, you’re in no position whatsoever for anyone to partner up with. Think of it as two companies considering a merger. Would you merge with the company “TRNC” and give them “equal partnership”? Like hell you would!

Only the GRADUAL assimilation of this estranged and problematic community can accommodate such a difficult task without any risk to the people of the RoC, my primary concern, and certainly not some wacky experimental arrangement so that the UK/US and others may have their fun placing their bets over how fast we’ll self-destruct like what happened in 1960!

No thank you sir!

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way.

[MR-from-NG]

Pirtis,

And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

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[Get Real!]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

I have to agree with your synopsis Piratis and must admit that it worries me that we have invested so much and risk throwing it all up in the air just because a few individuals are too short sighted of the long term implications of all these bizare "plans" out there and are so eager to gamble their very civilisation so that they may see a "solution" in their lifetime! As if Cyprus began and ends in THEIR lifetime! How selfish of them!

When I see the TC community I see a troubled people that need to be SURGICALLY SALVAGED OUT of this predicament with Turkey and not our other business half as some of them seem to think!

[Viewpoint]

Will anything change if you re-elect Papadop? obviously you are happy with the progress that has been made over the last 5 years elect him again and you can have more of the same.

What “progress” are some of you TC’s and GC’s expecting VP?

You want the TC’s to be handed 50% control of the RoC even though they haven’t lifted a finger in the last 33 years and in exchange for that they’re offering to supply their 40,000 odd unskilled workers, mostly currently unemployed, who can’t even communicate in English or Greek, and don’t even know the difference between an ISO and a Baklava? You call that a deal?

The great majority of your community will probably end up and remain on the dole and you want me to inherit that? Is that progress or total catastrophe?

Do you know what would happen if they let the currently incompetent “TRNC” folk take over any significant portion of this economy? The whole bloody island will end up relying on Turkish handouts by the end of the year. That’s what’s going to happen!

On top of that you’ve got your “Grey Wolf” brainless peasants who would start detonating bombs, left, right, and center, at a minute’s notice from Ankara and you expect me to risk dealing with that sort of shit all over again???

As a community, you’re in no position whatsoever for anyone to partner up with. Think of it as two companies considering a merger. Would you merge with the company “TRNC” and give them “equal partnership”? Like hell you would!

Only the GRADUAL assimilation of this estranged and problematic community can accommodate such a difficult task without any risk to the people of the RoC, my primary concern, and certainly not some wacky experimental arrangement so that the UK/US and others may have their fun placing their bets over how fast we’ll self-destruct like what happened in 1960!

No thank you sir!

Totally agree, why the hell would you wish to unite with such a poverty stricken and ignorant people I dont know. You put your points accross so clearly and precise, of course the inhabitants of the "RoC" are much more important than those estranged and problematic peasants in the north.

Tell you what why go to all that trouble to do us favor by assimilating us unskilled and uneducated scum, that are bound to ruin your economy within 24 hours, why dont you take this economical paradise of yours called the "RoC" and stick it where the sun dont shine, Im sure you will enjoy that.

People like you prove to us time and again that even status quo is better than uniting with your sort of mentality where you feel assimilation is doing us a favor...we will not let GCs dominate or rule us in a GC state...go to hell. Long live the TRNC.

[Viewpoint]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

I have to agree with your synopsis Piratis and must admit that it worries me that we have invested so much and risk throwing it all up in the air just because a few individuals are too short sighted of the long term implications of all these bizare "plans" out there and are so eager to gamble their very civilisation so that they may see a "solution" in their lifetime! As if Cyprus began and ends in THEIR lifetime! How selfish of them!

When I see the TC community I see a troubled people that need to be SURGICALLY SALVAGED OUT of this predicament with Turkey and not our other business half as some of them seem to think!

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way. You are slowly coming around like many others....Long live the TRNC.

[Get Real!]

Get Real, we would be more than glad to take the risks if that would result in a true unification of our country, something like what happened when West and East Germany were unified.

But to sign off our lands and human rights, to give up democracy, to see our economy go down, to get a totally dysfunctional system that will be problematic and will collapse with 100% certainty, for what? For a promise by the Turkish army that they will give us back 7% of land? (did they even give such promise?)

As I said many times before the solution can only be a true unification. Until that will become possible then the no-solution is better than any of the "solutions" offered. And the only way that a true unification will become possible is with a shift in the balance of power.

I have to agree with your synopsis Piratis and must admit that it worries me that we have invested so much and risk throwing it all up in the air just because a few individuals are too short sighted of the long term implications of all these bizare "plans" out there and are so eager to gamble their very civilisation so that they may see a "solution" in their lifetime! As if Cyprus began and ends in THEIR lifetime! How selfish of them!

When I see the TC community I see a troubled people that need to be SURGICALLY SALVAGED OUT of this predicament with Turkey and not our other business half as some of them seem to think!

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way. You are slowly coming around like many others....Long live the TRNC.

My views never changed VP. Show me a post (with the exception of a dummy on ATCA) when I proposed or expressed support for partition or partnership even! I try my hardest to speak the truth and I know it's not always pleasant.

There is no disrespect expressed or implied intended to ANY of my fellow members.

[Piratis]

SO ITS GOTTA BE PARTITION THEN, NO? Its the only way.

Viewpoint you got it in reverse. It is exactly the opposite. The only way is unification. As long as you insist and force a de facto partition then the problem will remain since we will not capitulate and sign any partition agreements.

So your choice is between continuation of the problem for as long as you can force illegalities OR unification. Don't tell me which one you choose from the two, we know already.