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[steveash]

Thats rich coming from a forum who has Piratis as a moderator!

This fine forum is probably the most lightly touched forum i have been on, and at the end of the day, if you do not agree with the owner of this forum, them feel free to leave, please do not feel compelled to attack the very person who actually offers you a place in what is effectivly his home, thats just downright rude

Rant over

[zan]

BigOz, the Cyprus problem in the form that it exists today did in fact start in 1974.

Surely, before that we also had a problem and nobody denies this. We had a problem not only in 74, but also in 64, in 54, and in 1854.

History is a chain of events you can say that what happened in 74 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 63, and I can say that what happened in 63 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 58, and so on and so forth.

The big question is: Can the past be used as an excuse for crimes, illegalities and human rights violations?

Please consider the implications of what you say. If you say "yes in 2007 it is OK to act illegally and violate the human rights of people because several decades ago such and such happened", then such argument could be used to excuse all other crimes as well (including future ones) , since there is always the previous link in the chain to be used as an excuse with the exact same logic (with the exception of the first link, which doesn't have a previous one).

So basically if we are going to use the past as an excuse this translates to a never ending circle of blood.

Solution is very possible if both sides accept that the past can not be used as an excuse, and stop looking for ways to gain on the loss of another. Are you willing to do that?

As far as your "RoC" is concerned 1960 was the beginning and the end. The beginning of a republic and the end of fairness for all. The sooner you see that and stop your propaganda about a period that no one alive gives a shit about the sooner we can start talking on proper terms. I ask but I know that I will not recieve because your agenda does not allow it. You are not allowed to think for your self and we all know what those that control you think so cut the crap.

[sirox101]

to be bruitally honest as a englishman i couldnt give a shit about the turkish/greek problem in cyprus as many uk/cyproit people i know because it will never be fixed that time came and went many years ago people, i just want to work and enjoy myself with beatifull cyproit women and they are proper fit by the way ! iv been to work in north and south cyrus with my company and everyone wants the same make a wage to put food on the table the greek/turkish divide is history just forget it its for the old folk people ! now watch the insults lol!

[MR-from-NG]

BigOz, the Cyprus problem in the form that it exists today did in fact start in 1974. Surely, before that we also had a problem and nobody denies this. We had a problem not only in 74, but also in 64, in 54, and in 1854.

History is a chain of events you can say that what happened in 74 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 63, and I can say that what happened in 63 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 58, and so on and so forth.

The big question is: Can the past be used as an excuse for crimes, illegalities and human rights violations?

Please consider the implications of what you say. If you say "yes in 2007 it is OK to act illegally and violate the human rights of people because several decades ago such and such happened", then such argument could be used to excuse all other crimes as well (including future ones) , since there is always the previous link in the chain to be used as an excuse with the exact same logic (with the exception of the first link, which doesn't have a previous one).

So basically if we are going to use the past as an excuse this translates to a never ending circle of blood.

Solution is very possible if both sides accept that the past can not be used as an excuse, and stop looking for ways to gain on the loss of another. Are you willing to do that?

Piratis is right. 63 has no significance to the Cyprob. In 63 the people kicked out of government and the constitution being thrown to shreds as well as the ones being ethnically cleansed were Turks. And in all honesty who gives a shit about them.

Now 74 is a different matter altogether. Those that got killed, the ones that were made refugees were Greek, all Greek. So realistically who gives a shit about 63, lets talk about 74

[MR-from-NG]

to be bruitally honest as a englishman i couldnt give a shit about the turkish/greek problem in cyprus as many uk/cyproit people i know because it will never be fixed that time came and went many years ago people, i just want to work and enjoy myself with beatifull cyproit women and they are proper fit by the way ! iv been to work in north and south cyrus with my company and everyone wants the same make a wage to put food on the table the greek/turkish divide is history just forget it its for the old folk people ! now watch the insults lol!

Englishman? You sure? Really? Now can you write this again in English? maybe then I'll believe it.

[MR-from-NG]

sorry double post

[sirox101]

see what i mean if youve nothing good to say! say nothing it says lecturer what do you lecture uter bollocks lad i made a point and you attack my spelling

[Piratis]

BigOz, the Cyprus problem in the form that it exists today did in fact start in 1974. Surely, before that we also had a problem and nobody denies this. We had a problem not only in 74, but also in 64, in 54, and in 1854.

History is a chain of events you can say that what happened in 74 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 63, and I can say that what happened in 63 was the next link of the chain of what happened in 58, and so on and so forth.

The big question is: Can the past be used as an excuse for crimes, illegalities and human rights violations?

Please consider the implications of what you say. If you say "yes in 2007 it is OK to act illegally and violate the human rights of people because several decades ago such and such happened", then such argument could be used to excuse all other crimes as well (including future ones) , since there is always the previous link in the chain to be used as an excuse with the exact same logic (with the exception of the first link, which doesn't have a previous one).

So basically if we are going to use the past as an excuse this translates to a never ending circle of blood.

Solution is very possible if both sides accept that the past can not be used as an excuse, and stop looking for ways to gain on the loss of another. Are you willing to do that?

Piratis is right. 63 has no significance to the Cyprob. In 63 the people kicked out of government and the constitution being thrown to shreds as well as the ones being ethnically cleansed were Turks. And in all honesty who gives a shit about them.

Now 74 is a different matter altogether. Those that got killed, the ones that were made refugees were Greek, all Greek. So realistically who gives a shit about 63, lets talk about 74

And where did I say that 63 does not matter? On the contrary I said that everything matters, including 2007, 2003, 1996, 1983, 1974, 1963, 1958, 1821, 1571 etc.

So read what I say, not what you imagine I said. I know you can not argue with what I say so you prefer to imagine things, but you can at least try.

[bigOz]

LIVE AND LET LIVE RESPECT AND BE RESPECTED , BIGOZ WRITES.

And do you respect the feelings of 80 % of the Cypriots , your compatriots , who find the Turkish flag hoisted by a Cypriot Turk offensive ?? Let me tell YOU since you are a newcomer that I challenged many demagogues in the past displaying the Greek flag which I considered that my T/C compatriots would find offensive.
Remember that this 80 % of your compatriots consider the flag to be that of the invader and occupier. where do you show respect . There are many neutral avatars that you could have chosen but quite callously you selected the one that would cause the utmost revulsion to those whose ancestral homes were usurped by the invader. Show respect to your country of birth first and foremost and your country will reciprocate.
At the end of this month I shall be visiting Cyprus for a few days and one of the things I shall do come rain or shine is to visit a Turkish Cypriot village in Paphos called Istinjo , a village that gave birth to a great T/C my dear friend Birkibrisly. I will pay my respects to all those compatriots who in the dark hours of the early 60s had to seek refuge in T/C enclaves.
Now I respect , do you ? Then prove it .

Miltiades! If you had noticed before, I had the TC flag in my signature line before until I was warned by the admin that images were not allowed in the signature line!

I replied by saying that it should be included in the flags avatar since many TCs are currently living under that flag until a solution and a new flag is at our disposal. It is not at this time...

Rather than stay and be seen as a non-entity or ID'less as our GC compatriots wish us to be seen, I am using the Turkish flag which is the next best thing under the circumstances.

TCs do not hate Turkey and Turks and you'll be heart-broken if you expect the same. There is nothing more wrong with using Turkish flag than a Greek flag which I have seen portrayed on at least two different posts! Seeing the Greek flag is a lot more irritating for TCs, yet it always hangs side by side with the "RofC" one. The same flag that represents a republic, the constitution of which not many GCs are accepting to be the part of a solution today!

Furthermore, the presence of that flag is producing the effects I desired. Hopefully, it is making it clear to many that the more you push and try to strangle TCs, the more Turkish they will become than a Cypriot...

[Kifeas]

Rather than stay and be seen as a non-entity or ID'less as our GC compatriots wish us to be seen, I am using the Turkish flag which is the next best thing under the circumstances.

The more than 70,000 TCs that legally obtained, hold and legitimately use RoC ID and passport documents for their travelling or other needs, do not seem to share your little theory that they "stay and are seen as a non-entity or ID'less!"

Furthermore, the presence of that ("TRNC") flag is producing the effects I desired. Hopefully, it is making it clear to many that the more you push and try to strangle TCs, the more Turkish they will become than a Cypriot...

I suppose this is another one of your "jokes" that you so-often make here, whenever the oestrus of arrogance is overwhelming you. How much more Cypriot does the inverted colour replica of the Turkish flag makes you, and how much more Turkish does it do for this matter, to claim that the prohibition of an illegal state's flag is forcing you to become more Turkified rather than more Cypriotised? What is the difference between the two flags, either in terms of colours and design or in terms of essence?