turkish_cypriot wrote:Piratis wrote:First of all I have to make something very clear:
I believe that we should leave the past behind, we should forgive each other, stop all illegalities and move ahead with a united democratic country without racist discriminations and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots.
Unfortunately I notice that there some people that insist on using a tiny and selective part of the past as an excuse for the continuation of illegalities and their demand for a "solution" that will be based on racist discrimination of people based on their ethnic background (which is something that exists in no democratic country in the world)
To those people Greek Cypriots deserved the violations of their human rights for the last 32 years and they deserve to be convicted for eternal violation of their human rights in a country that discriminates against them because of their race.
The fact is however that Turks in Cyprus have committed 100 times more crimes against Greek Cypriots than the other way around.
Greek Cypriots have been the majority on the island of Cyprus for 3000+ years. Their interaction with Turks starts in the 15th century, were the Turks attacked our island. This also answers the question "Who started it" for anybody that thinks that this is important:Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.
So now it is clear how the interaction of Turks with Greek Cypriots started in Cyprus, and the question "Who started it" is answered as well.
What followed were 300 years of Ottoman rule in Cyprus. During these 3 centuries Greek Cypriots were oppressed second category citizens. They had to pay multiple times the taxes of muslims and their testimony in courts was not accepted. Whenever they tried to revolt against their oppressors they were slaughtered.
So here we have a period were Turks were oppressing and killing Greeks in Cyprus. The result of this period was 300 years of oppression against GCs and 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots dead.
The next "round" of conflict between the two communities was at the end of the British rule in Cyprus, and then from 63 to 68. During this period extremists from both sides were committing crimes and atrocities.
This is the only period that TCs remember, but even here they remember only their own casualties and not the crimes that they had committed against GCs.
So this is a period were both sides had about an equal number of casualties, some 100s for each side.
Then in 1974 the illegal coupists overthrow our president and Turkey found the excuse to invade Cyprus. No TC was killed by the coupists before the invasion had started, but only after.
The result of the coup/invasion was 6000 GCs dead and 200.000 GCs ethnically cleansed. On the other side the TCs had only a couple of 100s of victims.
The next period is the 32 years of illegal occupation and insistence from Turkey to violate international law and human rights. This continues until today.
Conclusion:
1) The Turks "started it" in the 15th century
2) The Turks have committed much much more crimes against Greek Cypriots.
3) The Turks insist on their crimes today
4) Greek Cypriots have committed crimes as well, but only a tiny fraction of the crimes that the Turks have committed.
Still, Greek Cypriots are more than willing to put all these behind as long as we are not provoked by people that remember only the 1% of history that suits that in order to prove that Greek Cypriots are the evil people that deserve even more crimes against them.
Therefore I ask from people on this forum to either:
1) Leave the past behind. Do not try to excuse crimes and illegalities in 2006 with events that happened in the past. Concentrate on how we can find a solution that will respect all Cypriots equally without racist discriminations and human right violations.
Or, if doing (1) is impossible for you then at least:
2) If you believe that the past should be used to determine who is the "good" and who is the "bad" one and that this should be the basis of solving the Cyprus problem (instead of democracy, human rights and legality, that I propose) then at least use the whole history and not the tiny bits that suit you.
If that isn't propaganda then I don't know what is!!!!!!!
He copy and pastes this all over the forum, and all this coming from a MODERATOR
You should first get rid of people like this who are abusing the forum by advertising their agenda and smearing s*** in the TCs faces before you expect people to take this forum seriously and have civilized conversations!
And what exactly is your problem with what I wrote there?
First of all that is my opinion which I wrote and I only use one small quote from an independent and creditable source.
I repost that only when some people keep reposting the same old things over and over. So when some TC are trying to tell us something in the lines of: "The past proves that GCs are the aggressor evils and TCs are the innocent victims and now it is necessary to violate the rights of the evil GCs to protect the innocent TCs" how else do you want me to reply to counter that lame argument? Or you just want me to silent and allow such kind of arguments to pass?
To me it is crystal clear that most TCs of this forum do not want to use the forum as a place for dialog to find a solution that will reunify our island, but instead are here to pass propaganda of their own distorted version of a tiny part of our past that they are trying to use as an excuse for crimes today.
To tell you the truth, since it is apparent that Turkish Cypriots want partition and only partition (the majority of them) such places can only serve as "e-battlefields".
In order to have civilized discussions both sides should have been able to accept such discussions to be made with respect, within the framework of universally accepted principles (human rights, democracy etc) and also have a common aim. Since this is not the case then the conditions for civilized useful discussions simply do not exist.
