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[humanist]

Turkish Cypriot ..... mate you are welcome. The problem with Cyprus is that there is no problem Cypriots together turkish/ greek speaking are creating the problem through our continual insistence of separation and identification of the other. If we stop for a minute look at each other as human beings then there is no problem.

Piratis you posted something about settlers being part of the problem. I disagree settlers were not part of the problem prior to 1974. I think the settlers (and I hate this term) is not the problem at all, are you telling me that we can not accommodate another 150,000 people if there was a solution? and if we think we cannot ..... then I am affraid there is no salvation for Cyprus and perhaps we all deserve what we get.

To be honest, in my view if the turkish Cypriot side agreed to the right of return to all refugees, back to 1960's cinstitution then in my view compromise on most if not all settlers would be a good solution. Like I said previously we are all going to be one european citizens, it wont matter, unless you perceive the EU as short lived, it wont matter. Perhaps we can agree on a solution and grant them EU citizenship allow them in the country and give them EU citizen rights. Why deport and then allow them to come back. Stop the British from coming in instead if the numbers are too many. A bit of humanity might go a long way.

Anyway I come to my initial point turkish/ greek Cypriots are part of of the problem because we do see each other as different and separate one from the other if only we said we are Cypriots the problem is solved.

[Southerner]

Turkish Cypriot ..... mate you are welcome. The problem with Cyprus is that there is no problem Cypriots together turkish/ greek speaking are creating the problem through our continual insistence of separation and identification of the other. If we stop for a minute look at each other as human beings then there is no problem.

Anyway I come to my initial point turkish/ greek Cypriots are part of of the problem because we do see each other as different and separate one from the other if only we said we are Cypriots the problem is solved.

Humanist am I correct in saying that you use this name because of your beliefs.
I lived in Limassol Cyprus with my Wife way back 1966/7 (with HM Forces), for the most part the Greek & Turkish Cypriots were quite happy to co-exist it was the politicians who were the problem.
The problem in the UK is similar with ilegal immigrants, asylum seekers and the influx from the new EU states (East Europeans). If so called humanitarians, do gooders, tree huggers want them then they should pay out of their own pockets and not spend other peoples money!
In the UK the pension service is (according to the politicians) collapsing under the burden of the current population and yet they can always find money for people coming into the country who have never contributed.
Fashionable band wagons for do-gooders need financing; and who pays? yes you've got it, all of us.
There are enough good causes amongst your own people that need fighting or is it that they aren't fashionable enough for what I call permanent campaigners.
One solution would be to lock up Nelson Mandela then all the campaigners would be drawn together again.

[humanist]

Southerner, thank you for your post .......... and thank yu for acknowledging that gree/ turkish speaking Cypriots dd get along well in the 1960's. I thought as much ...... my parents lived in a co-habitated village comprising of both linguistic groups and had no issues. I believe the issue of settlers is a little different though, Yes we know Turkey has used the arse off these people to createa situation in the north where the population of Turkish speakers is increased to meet its own needs. However these people now have lives in Cyprus that affect the lives of Turkish Speaking Cypriots and in all honesty if it meant finding a lasting, fair solution where all Cypriots co-existed, I am sure that we can accommodate for 120, 000 settlers. Perhaps Cyprus can have a speacial exemption for ten years in the number of British and other European citizens who might want to immigrate to Cyprus if the numbers are getting too many for the Island.

On your argument re:- pension well perhaps if Blair didn't take your country to war (sorry I have an issue on war and especially the invasion of Iraq) well then may be there would have been a lot more money for pensions , so instead of killing people may be we could feed people.

If the so called great EU cannot come up with funds and a solution to the settler issue for Cyprus and assist in the solution and unification of Cyprus then I am affraid that it is not worth the paper it is written on. It merely represents another level of bureaucracy where you have a bunch of people paid more than the rest of the world enjoying power, misusing power under the guise of EU parliament.

Nelson Mandella in my view is a true leader who stood up for what he believed in ........