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[LENA]

I have to get this cleared up aswell...

I did not open this thread because of Kikapus views, and I didn't say he was GC as a way of insulting him either. Sometimes I see their views as too extreme and I speak out but in this case I pointed out that post of his because of his attitude which GENUINELY led me to believe he was a GC.

Lena also picked up on it when she said;

Kikapu should we clap for that post? Apart from the insults your last comment was like you own Cyprus and you share pieces like it was your birthday cake! Great guys! Just lovely!

(BTW: sorry Lena, I'm not using your post against Kikapu, I'm just trying to explain how/why I came to my conclusion)

I found it odd that someone neutral and a so-called Turkish Cypriot would make demands to Turkish Cypriots in regards to settlement. Afterall if he's not a GC who is he to list things that would be upto the GCs to ask for. And specially talking about budgets and what we can/can't do with our state...isn't that something a bit too extreme to come out with considering he's Turkish Cypriot?

These are not posts from someone neutral even if he is a Turkish Cypriot. I can't prove he isn't, though I can prove why I don't think he is a TC

T_C no worries for using my words. If I didn’t want anybody to read them I was not going to post them. When I disagree, I say it, no matter if the member is TC or GC or British or American or whatever, if I said he was right about something doesn’t mean that he is always right, according to my believes. But that make VP see that I am not in favour of Kikapu just because he support the GC as well.

I didn’t agree with the above comment but I definitely agree with this one

Perhaps that's were the saying comes from, " United we stand, divided we fall".

[Natty]

Kikapu, one minute your the bloke who very innocently organized the Forum Wizard of Oz production, the next minute you’ve turned into the controversial figure of the forum...What happened, and have I been asleep these past few weeks

[miltiades]

What you need to do is to look to yourself old man. The difference between what you have written and the reality is that I do not have to have my conscience woken to give to cancer charities. I give on a regular basis. It seems you give only when someone reminds you. I did not have to give to Fanos because I already do. My whole family do....On a regular basis. I make sure my sons see that we do so that they can follow on the proud tradition. That is one thing that you always leave out of a Moslems life when you go on about your bigoted views. Charity is part of our life whether you are religious or, like me, not. So next time you jump to your usual drunkard accusations you should ask first then shout your mouth off if need be.

You have a habit of calling people names , such as the one you called me earlier .A crook you said and a drunkard. Well let me tell you you little shit , I have more integrity on my prick than you have on your entire body , you are one fascist , one venomous individual , one who can not see that it is people such as you that caused the problems and the deaths of thousands of Cypriots. I stand by every single belief expressed in all of my previous posts. I did not succumb to the bullshit of propaganda as you did and I proudly salute the peacemakers Kikapu , Bir and many more on this forum who are challenging your cancerous ideology.
This is what the voice of reason , that of a true Cypriot said , comments that you and the other revisionist find so objectionable , because what your twisted half baked brain wanted to hear was how murderous the G/Cs were and how the T/Cs can never live with them again. Well your wrong Zombie .He is the man ! You are but a brainless Zombie.
As for your comments on my shortcomings regarding donations and raising money for Cancer , what the fuck do you know about me you un intellectual Zombie.
BACK TO KIKAPU AND THIS IS WHAT HE WROTE:

I'm just a common Cypriot who wants his country in one piece for all of us to enjoy it. If the island id divided into 2, then there never going to be peace, and you are going to end up crazy driving in only one small part of the island in your car.

I get very mad and say a lot of bad things against the Republicans and George Bush. Does that make me any less an American. I see it as our duty to protect the land that we were born in, a very important task for all citizens of any nation. Why do you think, hundreds of thousands of Americans died, during the American Civil War. Most died to protect the "Republic" from breaking up, and not to allow the Southern states "the Confederates" to carry on with the slavery of the blacks, by dividing the Union into North and South. Those in the South were only interested in their slave trade and free labour, therefore it was purely for greed and domination of the slaves. I see the Partitionist a little bit like the "Confederates", who are after their own personal gains, and not what Abraham Lincoln did, was to protect the Union, by keeping America as one.

Judge for yourself, of the results of America today.

Perhaps that's were the saying comes from, " United we stand, divided we fall".

[Kikapu]

Quite willing to leave the past behind...As soon as he world does not see me as the one that caused the Cyprus problem because the GCs chose to tell them that I was through lies and deception. I am also willing to forget the past as of today. I think I do not have to explain to you what that initials.

Here is a story for you too.


A Greek guy was walking along a riverbank when he stumbled across a Turkish lady in a wheelchair. She had her face in her hands and she sobbed uncontrollably. The man asked her why she was crying and she would not say. He said that it would be good o talk to someone and that she should tell him. After a lot of twoing and throwing she finally told him what he problem was. " I have been in this wheel chair for twenty of my forty years", she said. " In that twenty years I have not had a man make love to me once. I was sexually active before my accident but not one man has wanted to sleep with me since. Basically", she said weeping again, "I want to be fucked". She broke down again and the man tenderly took her hands away from her face. When she saw the look in his eyes she stopped crying. He gently lifted her up and took her over to a grassy nook by the river. He gently laid her down on the soft grass, stood up and walked over to her wheel chair. He slowly folded it up and then with a mighty shove, threw it into the river. He looked over to the woman on the grass and said......" Now your fucked", and walked off.





That is for the fucker that strip-searched my mother back in 62.

Well, what can I say Zan.

I really did not get your story at all, but I got all the story I needed to know, regarding your mother.

If that were to have happened to my mother, I would have been just as much pissed and angry as you are. But who would I be angry against Zan.? I would be angry against the person who violated my mothers dignity and privacy and to anyone who protected this person from prosecution for his actions. This is how you fight injustices, on a case by case basis, and not blame the innocent that did not take part in strip searching your mother. This is the time you need everyone around you, to support your fight against injustices. Do you for one minute believe, that any GC person would have approved what happened to your mother.? So please blame those who commit the crime, but support others to help you, as citizens of your nation, to bring the guilty to justice.

This is how I see the past conflicts Zan. I do not forget the experience of the past, but willing to forget the reasons as to why it happened. Today is a different world than it was 40+ years ago. You can be more productive in helping with the future generations, than the past ones. Time does not stand still, and life must go on. What may have been good reasons in the past for conflicts, are no longer valid anymore. I do not see any reason why we as Cypriots can not, and should not live together as one people from one nation. You don't even have to like your "neighbours", but you can be polite. I don't think there are too much love going around here in Switzerland between the Swiss Italians, Swiss French and the Swiss Germans, who live mostly in their own areas, but damn it, they are all Swiss at the end of the day, and if their Nation were to be attacked, they will stand together to fight the common enemy, to safeguard their homeland.

Can we not do the same Zan, rather that fighting with each other.??

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, one minute your the bloke who very innocently organized the Forum Wizard of Oz production, the next minute you’ve turned into the controversial figure of the forum...What happened, and have I been asleep these past few weeks

Well, you haven't been sleeping with me, so I don't know the answer exactly.

I haven't changed really, it's just that, I'm not willing to accept everything that has been said on the forum and not challenge it, that's all.

I wished for all of us on the forum to respect each other as Cypriots and not as enemies, and work towards peace rather than division.

Besides, by your long absences lately, I don't have anyone to talk sweet with, aside from Lena of course.

[zan]

Quite willing to leave the past behind...As soon as he world does not see me as the one that caused the Cyprus problem because the GCs chose to tell them that I was through lies and deception. I am also willing to forget the past as of today. I think I do not have to explain to you what that initials.

Here is a story for you too.


A Greek guy was walking along a riverbank when he stumbled across a Turkish lady in a wheelchair. She had her face in her hands and she sobbed uncontrollably. The man asked her why she was crying and she would not say. He said that it would be good o talk to someone and that she should tell him. After a lot of twoing and throwing she finally told him what he problem was. " I have been in this wheel chair for twenty of my forty years", she said. " In that twenty years I have not had a man make love to me once. I was sexually active before my accident but not one man has wanted to sleep with me since. Basically", she said weeping again, "I want to be fucked". She broke down again and the man tenderly took her hands away from her face. When she saw the look in his eyes she stopped crying. He gently lifted her up and took her over to a grassy nook by the river. He gently laid her down on the soft grass, stood up and walked over to her wheel chair. He slowly folded it up and then with a mighty shove, threw it into the river. He looked over to the woman on the grass and said......" Now your fucked", and walked off.





That is for the fucker that strip-searched my mother back in 62.

Well, what can I say Zan.

I really did not get your story at all, but I got all the story I needed to know, regarding your mother.

If that were to have happened to my mother, I would have been just as much pissed and angry as you are. But who would I be angry against Zan.? I would be angry against the person who violated my mothers dignity and privacy and to anyone who protected this person from prosecution for his actions. This is how you fight injustices, on a case by case basis, and not blame the innocent that did not take part in strip searching your mother. This is the time you need everyone around you, to support your fight against injustices. Do you for one minute believe, that any GC person would have approved what happened to your mother.? So please blame those who commit the crime, but support others to help you, as citizens of your nation, to bring the guilty to justice.

This is how I see the past conflicts Zan. I do not forget the experience of the past, but willing to forget the reasons as to why it happened. Today is a different world than it was 40+ years ago. You can be more productive in helping with the future generations, than the past ones. Time does not stand still, and life must go on. What may have been good reasons in the past for conflicts, are no longer valid anymore. I do not see any reason why we as Cypriots can not, and should not live together as one people from one nation. You don't even have to like your "neighbours", but you can be polite. I don't think there are too much love going around here in Switzerland between the Swiss Italians, Swiss French and the Swiss Germans, who live mostly in their own areas, but damn it, they are all Swiss at the end of the day, and if their Nation were to be attacked, they will stand together to fight the common enemy, to safeguard their homeland.

Can we not do the same Zan, rather that fighting with each other.??

What you keep missing time and time again is the fact that GCs want selective forgetting of the past. You seem to be of the same opinion as them but there are some issues that need to be resolved before anyone can forget. The propaganda that the Greeks have spread for years and years has been vicious and totally untrue. I cannot, and I think most TCs cannot, live in a Cyprus that has these lies still festering. There can be no peace and love in those circumstances. There needs to be redress in that and the fact that because of the past there HAS to be certain conditions laid down. I don't care how many times you tell me that we have gotten better than those times it is not true. Man always thinks they have reached the height of civility whatever age they are living in. The way the Greek propaganda machine operates today is proof that they still want to hide the truth and ride shotgun over us. History will not allow that and we will not allow that.

[Viewpoint]

LENA

My whole post was not about names by the way, since you enjoy it then why you mention it any way. And you do the same for him anyway. He calls you Miss and you call return the compliment as well. So you are equal on that. . . now I will not put a name on what you are equal because I don’t want to offend anyone. Ok I didn’t mention the name thing, and I know that some of the things that you post each other like names etc, is more for fun and doesn’t insult anyone. And you call him so many names as well. . . I am not going to search the forum for your posts because I really don’t have the time. But I just went back to this thread and look what I found…

Lets get beyond this as everyone calls everyone names why should I be any different? when attacked by the likes of Ms Kikapoulouis and miltiades should I just stay silent? would that be better for you? would that make you happier? I have tried this but the name calling continues and sometimes gets real nasty did you read the last days post from miltiades?? obviously not as I am sure you would have stepped in as you are doing with me. Shouldnt you treat everyone the same? I did not respond to miltiades foul mouthed post, if you are going to act as the forum police then I think you should go around and post what you said to me to other posters as well. Otherwise it looks like you are persecuting only the TCs which as you know is discrimination.

I saw those 2 more than couple of times. . . just in a thread…what else I will find in the whole forum? But as you said you don’t consider that as an insult as well…but my point was that he has his own opinion even if that means that he is in favour of the GC. Why his opinion has to make him GC? I understand your point BUT really I do not understand the reason that you come up with this conclusion.

So him thinking its an insult is ok with you? I m sure he finds those comments a compliment, he regards you as his brothers and sisters how can that be an insult. You are right he has his opinions which he airs quite freely and I have mine, you appear to have problems understanding that he is completely in line with the GC viewpoint and shows not signs none at all of TC viewpoint, he has been asked to argue just 1 point in favor of the TCs and he has been unsucessful so for many TCs he is more GC than TC, his heart beat for your community and your demands not mine.

You told me that I don’t read the whole tread and I attack only you “one side”, but from that I can see that you didn’t read MY POST. So go back and see if I took only one side. I said that is ridiculous that he calls you Miss, since you told him that you are male and he call you names etc. So I didn’t take only his side…but he didn’t deny that he does that.

If you were not biased you post would have been to both of us in equal amounts but you attack me 95% and Ms Kikapolousis 5%, is that a balanced unbiased post for you?

Why the fact that he left his country from sad reasons has to make him to close his mouth? Is he less Cypriot than you and me? That we born and grow up there? VP, really I agree that living in Cyprus make you see things in a different way. And you have to face the reality every day face to face. I know what is like, I know the feelings…don’t forget that I was born and grow up there. BUT that doesn’t change anything. I notice that when I left away from Cyprus I become more fair and less nationalist … why not to use those people experience with a good way instead of judge them and force them to close their mouth? Kikapu went to Cyprus, after so many years scared to death that a GC might shoot him or take him to prison or create any kind of problem and he saw that this is not true. Why before he go he was TC and after he came back he is not?

There is a massive difference, we are in the fire you are not. I lived 30 years abroad and when I moved to the TRNC my whole perspective changed. In 2003 when the borders we opened and we interacted with the south my perspective changed, the run up and the referendum again changed my perspective. People that live abroad are in cuckoo land they do not live the reality, you are text book people who are trying to tell us what to do with our future irrelevent of the fact that you could be pushing us into great danger you try to force your ideas and then you tell us how stupid we are. Well it dont work that way the locals are far more important as it is them that will have their world turned upside down and not those that live thousands of miles away.

VP those are not far away from here…are in this thread…I remember that I stop reading this section for the same reason that I post here…all this insults. And I came against you, one sided as you said (which is not true), because of what you said up there and I put it in big letter to read it again. Really, anything you say doesn’t make much sense to me any more, but that is beyond that. Really VP, do you insult people or you don’t?

You are being very one sided, you have pulled me up and we are posting here about my insults, then you shoudl also have the same posts with miltiades and Ms Kikapolusis. My insults which are mild in comparision to others are always reactionary to provokation, do you understand what I am saying?

I have to remind you of the following about TC mentality, give a TC the time of day he will open his home to you, you slap a TC and he will kick your head in. Can you work out what I have just said? If so how do you think you should deal with TCs?

Do you think its wise to slap them?

VP, you should be ashamed of your words. They didn’t teach you to respect other people? If you don’t respect him, respect those children (if they exist, I don’t even know if he has children) but VP what he does in his life is his problem, not yours. When I tried to warn people about Fanos, without mentioning anything about his life, everybody judge me here. But here, you cross the line, you not even interfere into his personal life but you judge him as well. You should apologise for that VP. Really I didn’t believe that you will fall so low for some political arguments. And I am sorry but I am not Terresa or saint, but at least I know how to talk.

I only respect those that respect me Lena, why is that I do not insult you? you do not provoke and you do not use any language that would make me respond in a sever way.

The bastard terminology was not raised by me, but it was a slap so as a true TC I gave the necessary response, so maybe you should have approached the originator of the slap and not the person who fought back.

You don’t hate anyone but you don’t like us either! Am I wrong? You don’t thing that all Cypriots we are compatriots and you suggest him to change his religion and name because he believe that GC are not so bad as you say….but still you don’t hate us…VP do you really see what you are saying or are you trying to be a liar? If you do then you have to try more…look what you said in this thread…I told you no far away…

No I do not hate any one individual, only the "RoC" for what they are trying to do to the TCs and the TRNC.

Do I have to like you all? I dont like all TCs and I dont hate them, what are you trying to say?

So your people ate the TC and not every single Cypriot!

Correct, GCs to me are just like Italians or Spanish maybe a little closer as we are neighbours.

Cypriots are those that are in favour of the TC and TC have nothing good to say in favour of the GC!

VP, make up your mind and let us know what you really believe! Do you insult people or not? Do you hate GC or not?

I view the GCs as my neighbours who have every right to be on this island just like I do, they have the right to live in their own country and rule themselves but they do not want this for me, they do everythign in their power to stop my progress. They say they want to unite but reject a structure put forward by the UN and still try to stop me from progressing. I do not want to live under a GC administration as GCs do not want to live under a TC administration so the only way forward for me a level playing field where we have 2 states all Cypriots can live where they wish under the admin of their chosen state, if the 2 states decide to unite after trust has been built up then a referendum of GCs and TCs should take place to decide this maybe 5 10 years down the line.

I only insult people if I am insulted or provoked first. Feel free to provide and example where I insulted someone without reason and I will have no problem apologising.

Again I do not hate anyone.

[Kikapu]

My usage of the word Cunt was to label the person concerned what they were resembling during those debates, pretty much like you in this post, its a common expression used by the English when someone is being a real bastard and shouting his mouth off, being rude and annoying everyone..

Oh please, why cant you tell the truth once in a while. I know when the word "cunt" is used as swear word, and when used in a derogatory way, as you did.

Example 1. We were talking about "AMISTEL" beer and Pyro asked what "AM" was, as if he didn't know, and you translated as "Vagina, or Cunt".

Example 2. You said to me just couple of weeks ago " I thought you had a penis but you have a CUNT instead".

I can't remember the third example, but I could search for it, if you want me to, or you can tell us yourself.

Why is it so hard for you to admit your mistakes.??

Are you going to comment on the above Miss VP, or shall we just accept the fact, that you don't tell the truth.

[Viewpoint]

Look Ms Kikapolousis we are getting nowhere although you argue with me on nearly everything you seem to have conveniently forgotten that we agreed a 2 state 1 country solution sometime ago. So whats the point of going around in circles, you get your GCs brothers and sisters to accept what you preach and then we might get somewhere but in the meantime I will continue to love and nurture the TRNC until a time if it ever arrives when the alternative put before me is a better option but for now the stakes are the TRNC vs "RoC" well the TRNC wins hands down for the majority of TCs.

Yes Miss VP, you did agree in principle on the 1 country 2 states solution, but all you talk about, is Partition. Just because I proposed those measures which were hard for you not to accept without looking like a "dickhead", does not mean, that you want it put in practice. You see, the reason why I bring up my cousins husbands words often, is because he told me the truth, and that he said, "no matter what is offered, we do not want to unite with the Greeks". So you may have agreed with me, but were you just telling me what I wanted to hear, as the husband said " we tell what the International community wants to hear, that's all". If you believe in what you say, then where is the drive, to accept the concept of the BBF. Why are your team of Propagandist are not talking about them.? Why have you not blamed Talat for not pushing this idea, as you blame PappaD for not pushing it to get it done.? So before you try to take the "high road" on this matter, tell us why, your primary drive is Partition. Well, then take the 18%, and have a wonderful life in the Never Never Land.

PS. I had no authority to give you 18% of Cyprus. It was my own generous offer.

Lets just call it a day. We are getting nowhere and both wasting our time. You obvioulsly do not want to understand me and I do not trust you, sums up the Cyprus problem really. I will try not responding to your posts as long as you do not attack mine, good luck and good bye.

Need I remind you just in case you have missed it.

[Kikapu]

Lets just call it a day. We are getting nowhere and both wasting our time. You obvioulsly do not want to understand me and I do not trust you, sums up the Cyprus problem really. I will try not responding to your posts as long as you do not attack mine, good luck and good bye.

Need I remind you just in case you have missed it.

You just spilt your guts to Lena with all the wrong doings of others, but when it comes to you taking responsibility for your actions, you back away.

I get the full picture now.