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Postby Kikapu » Wed May 30, 2007 9:47 pm

zan wrote:
The community is for all TCs around the world. There are many that are returning and if the embargoes are lifted and more employment can be offered then many more will return. The whole point is that TCs from all over the world is beginning to talk to each other and I welcome that. I will be doing more in the near future to promote that. More Turkish Cypriot culture events and a coming together of all the people. The momentum has started and I hope it will keep going. You do not realise what forty years of hardship and embargoes have done to our psyche DT. We began to believe that we did not exist, just like Birk and Kikapyros. We do not really belong in Turkey and we are not wanted by the "RoC", as we are, but as a ruined and destroyed people. Like most of us I gave up on ever being a TC but now walk proud. I am not afraid to be a Turkish Cypriot.


Now make up your bloody minds you two ( Zan & TMT Viewpoint).

You have been telling us Turkish Cypriots who live Thousands of miles away from Cyprus, and that we should stay where we are and die in a foreign land as foreigners, and that TC's will do just fine in the de facto "TRNC" while we have 40,000 Troops to make sure we can create a "Corrupt Society" with lives built on Stolen GC land, and now you are telling us, that you are actually reaching out to all those TC's living in foreign land, to come and live with you in the "TRNC". Don't you think, as one of the main architects of this drive should set an example, RIGHT ZAN, who lives in the UK, then you have a "Bastardised "TRNC" Cypriot" TMT Viewpoint who was born in the UK, and has no clue about the phrase he uses "learnt from the past". Just what the hell does he know about the past. He has only been in the "TRNC" for 15 years, and has never lived in Cyprus.

If I were you boys, I wouldn't wait for the "flood" to happen now or even much later.

Oh by the way Zan, your message about the existence of the "TRNC" is all over the world News. Every place I turn, it's right there, on TV, all the papers, Magazines, and talks around the water cooler. Pretty soon, you will need to get the Turkish Army to take more land from the RoC, to fit all these people in.

Yes it is true also, that all the Illegal Aliens will need to return back to Turkey, so to make room for all the Turkish Cypriots living abroad, that are returning to the "TRNC"
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Postby zan » Wed May 30, 2007 9:48 pm

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DT wrote:Oh for christ sake!!! VP give it a rest. Enough with the woman you are tryng to portray as mother teresa and the strapping Brad Pitt lover who just wants to honour her.

How the hell you've managed to take an even as violent and as mammoth as a full scale invasion by air, land and sea of 40,000!!!! heavily armed troops from a nation of 70 million against a nation of 650,000 with an army of a couple of hunting gun armed gc soldiers and a jeep....and TURN INTO THE BIGGEST TRAGEDY AGAINST TURKEY IS UNBELEIVABLE!!!

YES there was intercommunal fighting in the 60's
YES there were atrocities from both sides
YES the Greek side made huge mistakes

But for gods sake this victimised woman you speak off is nothing but an unrecognised entity built on the land and lives of people that were massively expelled in a violent invasion which killed thousands.

There's blame to be shared out but I won't sit and listen to this Virgin Mary crap for one more second. :evil:


So you say she should go back to the husband who your you yourself say "YES the Greek side made huge mistakes" by repeatedly raping her for 11 years and did not want to marry her anyway, as he was forced in 1960. So the wife being the TCs is not recognized? No rape will accept going back to the rapists bed let alone share the same house. The same neighbourhood with extra strong safe guards then maybe she may accept.


I think I know where I have seen TMT Viewpoint before.

It was in the Movie "Blazing Saddles".

There was a scene, where the bad guys are recruiting bunch of criminals to go and destroy the a town by the name "Rockridge" so that the people would leave, and after the railroad is built through the town, it would be worth millions.

So you have bunch of criminals and the most undesirable waiting to be interviewed.

As the Boss is interviewing the criminals for the job, one character is asked " so what kinds of crimes have you committed"??

The criminal said, "Rape, Larceny, Stolen Land, Murder, Rustling Cattle, Bank Robbery, Rape".

The interviewer said to the criminal" You said Rape twice".

The criminal said, "I like Rape".

I think that person who played that role, had to be TMT Viewpoint, because he just loves talking about Rape.!!!



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Postby LENA » Thu May 31, 2007 6:58 am

Viewpoint wrote:Lena thanks for this post but responding to each and every point you have raised would take to much time, maybe we can just agree to disagree on the details as we have different points of view.

You have sucessfully turned the rapist husband into the hero and the raped wife into a greedy bitch who deserved to get raped repeatedly for 11 years. This tells me more about your own mental approach in dealing with the truth that the husband is an animal, who rapes his wife.

The main issues you are claiming are that the wife should forget and forgive the husband for brutally raping and abusing her for 11 years, turn her back on her neighbour (who is not her pimp but her lover and protector, the sex is good dont worry yourself about that, if it wasnt they would have stopped years ago but 33 years later and they are still going strong) who has only shown her affection, support and love, dumping her son TRNC returning to raise "RoC" with the rapist husband in his bed where he raped her over and over.

The most important sentence you posted was as follows;

Told you I am not going to comment on that because is difficult to say if you haven’t live that…and I am not talking about Cyprus I am talking about the rape.



But the wife (TCs) has suffered the rape and abuse so she has to take it into account and cannot ignore it like you. You choose to ignore it because no woman in their right mind would return to the bed of her rapist and let him have sexual realtions with her, thats really why you cannot answer.

Yet you recommend the wife goes back and accepts the husband as he is, how will you protect and ensure that the husband does not continue to rape her over and over again once the neighbour has been sent packing? I really dont feel you are being honest here, as far as I know you, you are a lady with pride and emotions, you would never go back to the bed of your rapist, so why are you trying to tell us to do this?


VP, thank you for your kind words for being woman with pride and emotions, but also in this post, you are claiming that I don’t have contact with reality. I would like to inform you that I might be a big dreamer and optimist up to stupidity but I ensure you that I know what is going on around me.

TC and GC are not lovers as I told you at the very first moment. They are brothers and sisters from the same mother, from Cyprus, either you want to accept it or not.
But I keep on with your story just to prove you that things are not like that even if I try to see thing the way you see them

You told me that he asked from her to damp her child (TRNC-which is what Kikapu said that it is since came out of a marriage and you came afterwards to give the explanation for his children). Anyway, he didn’t tell her to damp her child but bring the 2 children together and raised them as one in one family…and not one being raised in the neighbour’s house. And the true story here is that the husband want his wife back but not for sex…but their baby, RoC, is hurt from her attitude, he doesn’t trust her that much from her past. Don’t forget that she damped her baby and she considered him as dead. Also he is hurt because she raised a second child and she shows to that child so much affection that he doesn’t believe that he actually wants him as well.

VP, you are talking about those 11 years but you never mention about the real rapes…and I am not talking about the story I am talking about reality. You want me to talk about reality…VP do you know how many women died during the war because of the pains from animals that raped them? Do you know how many abortions have been made during those years? For us is really a big sin the abortion…and those years people were more religious than now. Do you know how is like to feel insite you some one who don’t want and someone that killed another person in frond of your eyes? Do you know how is like you wish you was dead that moment instead of being there? Do you know how much pain can cause to feel the animal that killed your father or husband or child or parent in frond of your eyes….hit you and rape you? Do you want to talk about women’s feelings that had been through a rape? Do you know how many virgin girls have been raped?

During those years….lots of GCs killed TC…I do not deny that…and I am not proud for that either. I know also that they didn’t kill only TC but GC as well. But VP…do you deny the fact that TC killed GC? Do you want me to believe that you suffer so much and you haven’t done anything? The fact that GC wanted ENOSIS upset the TC…I am not blaming them but they wanted revenge…am I wrong? VP…do you have any contact with reality or do you live in your lovely “TRNC” dream world?

You talk about sex with the neighbour with so much passion and so much love…well I am sorry for that …but I will agree with Kikapu…are you having orgasm by the “TRNC”?

As for why I can not give you an answer…no is not that no woman would return to her rapist and have sexual relationship…but I didn’t want to comment because even if I don’t approve the rape in any way….I have a very close family member who has been though that…that’s why I didn’t want to comment…because she went back to him and they had a child after that…so if you don’t know you better close your mouth. Well apart from upset those who want to upset you, closing your mouth is also wise when you don’t know the situation!
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu May 31, 2007 11:34 am

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VP, thank you for your kind words for being woman with pride and emotions, but also in this post, you are claiming that I don’t have contact with reality. I would like to inform you that I might be a big dreamer and optimist up to stupidity but I ensure you that I know what is going on around me.



I hope so but you still do not appear to understand our fears and concerns.

TC and GC are not lovers as I told you at the very first moment. They are brothers and sisters from the same mother, from Cyprus, either you want to accept it or not.
But I keep on with your story just to prove you that things are not like that even if I try to see thing the way you see them


Then the brother would have raped his sister which is even worse. You have your version of the story as you see it due to the past and I have mine obviously my woundds are deepers or you are trying to dilute my version in order to provide more excuses for your actions.

You told me that he asked from her to damp her child (TRNC-which is what Kikapu said that it is since came out of a marriage and you came afterwards to give the explanation for his children). Anyway, he didn’t tell her to damp her child but bring the 2 children together and raised them as one in one family…and not one being raised in the neighbour’s house. And the true story here is that the husband want his wife back but not for sex…but their baby, RoC, is hurt from her attitude, he doesn’t trust her that much from her past. Don’t forget that she damped her baby and she considered him as dead. Also he is hurt because she raised a second child and she shows to that child so much affection that he doesn’t believe that he actually wants him as well.


In any reunion between the husband and wife there will no longer be "RoC" or TRNC they will be renamed North and South States. The husband is the one who refused the last chance to get together not the wife as he felt the conditions were not fair which created even more mistrust.

VP, you are talking about those 11 years but you never mention about the real rapes…and I am not talking about the story I am talking about reality. You want me to talk about reality…VP do you know how many women died during the war because of the pains from animals that raped them? Do you know how many abortions have been made during those years? For us is really a big sin the abortion…and those years people were more religious than now. Do you know how is like to feel insite you some one who don’t want and someone that killed another person in frond of your eyes? Do you know how is like you wish you was dead that moment instead of being there? Do you know how much pain can cause to feel the animal that killed your father or husband or child or parent in frond of your eyes….hit you and rape you? Do you want to talk about women’s feelings that had been through a rape? Do you know how many virgin girls have been raped?


Lena the real rapes are of course inhumane and regretable I wish I could turn the clock back and undo those grotesque acts but unfortunately I cant, the TCs are not proud of these facts and we are very sorry they occured.

As you to understand how rape mentally effects those who have suffered this vile act then you can easily appreciate the wifes trauma of 11 years or repeated rape, isolation and abuse, the scratches bits and tantrums were in deed a direct reaction to the rape and sale of the baby to Mr Greece.

During those years….lots of GCs killed TC…I do not deny that…and I am not proud for that either. I know also that they didn’t kill only TC but GC as well. But VP…do you deny the fact that TC killed GC? Do you want me to believe that you suffer so much and you haven’t done anything? The fact that GC wanted ENOSIS upset the TC…I am not blaming them but they wanted revenge…am I wrong? VP…do you have any contact with reality or do you live in your lovely “TRNC” dream world?


No I do not deny that TCs killed GCs this is a fact, but when faced with the Enosis dream and possible anniahaltion the only this you can do is fight back as your philosphy of turning the other cheeks runs the risk of having your life turned upside down and putting your life at risk.

Revenge or Defence? you are wrong for us it was self defence and countering the enosis madness.

You talk about sex with the neighbour with so much passion and so much love…well I am sorry for that …but I will agree with Kikapu…are you having orgasm by the “TRNC”?



This issue makes many GCs very uncomfortable and you seem to be showing the same symptoms, our realtions with the neightbour have always been good, this is something she never had with her husband for very long as he was always flirting with Mr Greece who wanted a baby.

Please refrain from mentioning that persons name in your posts, I do not see you stepping in to correct his usage of insults and abuse, confirms what I said before you have acted very one sided in that issue. I have toned my posts right down yet this allows some idiots free rage to hurl their abuse and scarcatic crap without hinderence.


As for why I can not give you an answer…no is not that no woman would return to her rapist and have sexual relationship…but I didn’t want to comment because even if I don’t approve the rape in any way….I have a very close family member who has been though that…that’s why I didn’t want to comment…because she went back to him and they had a child after that…so if you don’t know you better close your mouth. Well apart from upset those who want to upset you, closing your mouth is also wise when you don’t know the situation!


She s a very very brave and courageous person as 99% of woman could never let their rapist back into their bed let alone have a child from a rapist, that includes the wife in our story she will never let him near her sexually and will never share the same house, no way.
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Postby LENA » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:22 am

Viewpoint wrote: I hope so but you still do not appear to understand our fears and concerns.


I do you are just not willing to accept that I do!

Viewpoint wrote: Then the brother would have raped his sister which is even worse. You have your version of the story as you see it due to the past and I have mine obviously my woundds are deepers or you are trying to dilute my version in order to provide more excuses for your actions.


Do you enjoy the rape so much…VP…no rape happened during that period…fight, murders but NO rape…

Viewpoint wrote: In any reunion between the husband and wife there will no longer be "RoC" or TRNC they will be renamed North and South States. The husband is the one who refused the last chance to get together not the wife as he felt the conditions were not fair which created even more mistrust.


VP…reunion is reunion…one state…no south and north state…ONE state…bir…ena…one!!

Viewpoint wrote: Lena the real rapes are of course inhumane and regretable I wish I could turn the clock back and undo those grotesque acts but unfortunately I cant, the TCs are not proud of these facts and we are very sorry they occured.


So for you the figurative rape is a shame and can not be forgiven but the real rapes can be erased so easy with just a sorry…:( :( I am so sorry about your views!

Viewpoint wrote: As you to understand how rape mentally effects those who have suffered this vile act then you can easily appreciate the wifes trauma of 11 years or repeated rape, isolation and abuse, the scratches bits and tantrums were in deed a direct reaction to the rape and sale of the baby to Mr Greece.


You want me to play your game? Deal…since you understand what a rape can to to the body and the heart of a woman and I can not…what I am going to say to all those women who have been through the real rapes? Trust those people who clap on your rapists? VP…the past belong to the past if we want to move on we have to leave it back and move forward…and for God sake stop playing the same song…the baby was not sell to Greece, the sale never happened.

Viewpoint wrote: No I do not deny that TCs killed GCs this is a fact, but when faced with the Enosis dream and possible anniahaltion the only this you can do is fight back as your philosphy of turning the other cheeks runs the risk of having your life turned upside down and putting your life at risk.


VP let us take the facts as they are and not like you want to present them. Three years after the independence of Cyprus things changed because of both sides not just one side. Nationalists on both sides didn’t want the united Cyprus. GC wanted ENOSIS with Greece and the TC the TAKSIM. They didn’t succeeds but TC officers forced all the TC to live in certain areas as enclaves with the Turkish army to control and protect the area…TC invited Turkey to protect them and they banned the GC from those areas…and as a pay back the GC isolated the enclaves and as a result of their anger was the misery of the TC.

Viewpoint wrote: Revenge or Defence? you are wrong for us it was self defence and countering the enosis madness.


It was not defence…TC wanted TAKSIM…do not forget that…VP I tried to follow your scenario and let that woman being the victim of your story…but you want reality…here is your reality. Both have faults…GC wanted ENOSIS and the TC wanted TAKSIM…TC invited Turkey to “protect” them.

Viewpoint wrote: This issue makes many GCs very uncomfortable and you seem to be showing the same symptoms, our realtions with the neightbour have always been good, this is something she never had with her husband for very long as he was always flirting with Mr Greece who wanted a baby.


VP if it was like you want to present it why all the TC don’t agree with you? Why they are not having fun with this kind of sex? Are you masochist? By the way…you are starting to lose the flow of the story…Greece is female and GC male according to your story…please pay attention to what you write…or should I presume that you write b*?

VP you are one sided…not me…I said so many time how many mistakes the GC has done but you keep present TC and Turkey as the innocent and the bad GC have created the whole issue by them selves.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:17 am

Lena lets just agree to disagree we both have our point of view which makes it difficult for us to accept the other sides truths.

If we look to the end result, it shows us that Cyprus is better off divided as the chasm is to wide to bridge, neither side like us wants to yield to the other sides rights and wrongs. So why not have the 2 equal states solution where Cypriots can settle where ever they wish, north or south. That way you do not have to work with me and I do not have to work with you. We can strengthen our neighbourly relations and if we see fit in years to come we can work together, as my fear is that any other solution would cause contempt flaring into intercommunal troubles just like Israel and Palestine, is that what you want? You claim to have been forced into 1960 agreements and look how that ended, another failed union would bring very dire and dangerous conditions to our island.
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Postby halil » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:19 pm

to all of u !!!!!!!!!

Whom do you trust
A neighbour comes to the gate of Nasreddin Hoja's yard. The Hoja goes out to meet him outside.
"Would you mind, Hoja," the neighbour asks, "lending me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town."
The Hoja doesn't feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however; so, not to seem rude, he answers:
"I'm sorry, but I've already lent him to somebody else."
Suddenly the donkey can be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard.
"You lied to me, Hoja!" the neighbour exclaims. "There it is behind that wall!"
"What do you mean?" the Hoja replies indignantly. "Whom would you rather believe, a donkey or your Hoja?"
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Postby LENA » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:20 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Lena lets just agree to disagree we both have our point of view which makes it difficult for us to accept the other sides truths.

If we look to the end result, it shows us that Cyprus is better off divided as the chasm is to wide to bridge, neither side like us wants to yield to the other sides rights and wrongs. So why not have the 2 equal states solution where Cypriots can settle where ever they wish, north or south. That way you do not have to work with me and I do not have to work with you. We can strengthen our neighbourly relations and if we see fit in years to come we can work together, as my fear is that any other solution would cause contempt flaring into intercommunal troubles just like Israel and Palestine, is that what you want? You claim to have been forced into 1960 agreements and look how that ended, another failed union would bring very dire and dangerous conditions to our island.


VP, I notice so many characteristics of you in this thread …other are good and other not so. But I am honest person and I am not going to hide my opinion…I told you are a clever man and you want to protect your family and your beloveds. And you are trying to protect and support your views with every possible way even if that is to avoid to admit that you are wrong and with general comment just tying to go round and not straight to the point. When I ask you things and you had to admit that you were wrong you just avoid answering or you change subject by saying something else. Ok VP…as you wish…I agree to disagree. But don’t you ever come to my by telling my again that I am one sided because I am not…in this thread and to others I admitted so many time that GC had made so many mistakes and our government still does…but for you we are guilty here and you are the innocent unprotected people who the lovely Turkey came with peaceful ideas to protect you…:roll: VP really you have to rethink your believes… in the other threat Gizzy who is a TC admitted that things are not so pleasant as you want to present them.

And one last point…no I don’t think that unification is not going to work. I believe it will and I look forward to that. I am scared not with the idea of unification but with the idea that the GC are reluctant on their lives and one day decide to occupy the whole island.

halil wrote:to all of u !!!!!!!!!

Whom do you trust
A neighbour comes to the gate of Nasreddin Hoja's yard. The Hoja goes out to meet him outside.
"Would you mind, Hoja," the neighbour asks, "lending me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town."
The Hoja doesn't feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however; so, not to seem rude, he answers:
"I'm sorry, but I've already lent him to somebody else."
Suddenly the donkey can be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard.
"You lied to me, Hoja!" the neighbour exclaims. "There it is behind that wall!"
"What do you mean?" the Hoja replies indignantly. "Whom would you rather believe, a donkey or your Hoja?"


Halil, one more time you earn my respect. You always had my respect…but with this example VP might understand even more of what I am trying to say here, if he is willing to understand what the example is talking about. Thank you for the example.
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:28 pm

LENA wrote:
halil wrote:to all of u !!!!!!!!!
Whom do you trust
A neighbour comes to the gate of Nasreddin Hoja's yard. The Hoja goes out to meet him outside.
"Would you mind, Hoja," the neighbour asks, "lending me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town."
The Hoja doesn't feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however; so, not to seem rude, he answers:
"I'm sorry, but I've already lent him to somebody else."
Suddenly the donkey can be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard.
"You lied to me, Hoja!" the neighbour exclaims. "There it is behind that wall!"
"What do you mean?" the Hoja replies indignantly. "Whom would you rather believe, a donkey or your Hoja?"


Halil, one more time you earn my respect. You always had my respect…but with this example VP might understand even more of what I am trying to say here, if he is willing to understand what the example is talking about. Thank you for the example.

erm... Lena! I think Halil thinks you are the Hodja...Image
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Postby LENA » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:34 pm

bigOz wrote:
LENA wrote:
halil wrote:to all of u !!!!!!!!!
Whom do you trust
A neighbour comes to the gate of Nasreddin Hoja's yard. The Hoja goes out to meet him outside.
"Would you mind, Hoja," the neighbour asks, "lending me your donkey today? I have some goods to transport to the next town."
The Hoja doesn't feel inclined to lend out the animal to that particular man, however; so, not to seem rude, he answers:
"I'm sorry, but I've already lent him to somebody else."
Suddenly the donkey can be heard braying loudly behind the wall of the yard.
"You lied to me, Hoja!" the neighbour exclaims. "There it is behind that wall!"
"What do you mean?" the Hoja replies indignantly. "Whom would you rather believe, a donkey or your Hoja?"


Halil, one more time you earn my respect. You always had my respect…but with this example VP might understand even more of what I am trying to say here, if he is willing to understand what the example is talking about. Thank you for the example.

erm... Lena! I think Halil thinks you are the Hodja...Image



Funny...not funny...BigOZ I am not the one who is hiding here or telling lies. I love the truth and I hate lies. But VP is telling me that the donkey is not there even if i can hear the donkey through the walls...now kid...go and play somewhere else and let the grown ups here have a serious conversation. 8)
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