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[denizaksulu]

Viewpoint, take care. You do know what they say about women scorned..................................

[LENA]

Viewpoint, take care. You do know what they say about women scorned..................................

Go to bed...I thought you had to return to work tomorrow! Are you jealous or what?

By the way...VP...well done...you use emoticons as well!! You dont stop to impress me! But you know what they say...1 picture is equal with 1000 words!!!

[denizaksulu]

I am beginning to ask myself

[LENA]

Lena thank you for taking the time to compose a story which reflects your version of the story and your kind words about my personality which are spot on. You have to understand that just saying we are my compatriots does not come easy otherwise it woud not be sincere and those that just throw this word around imo are not sincere. This type of togetherness is developed over many years of trust and co-operation which we have experienced the opposite in our history and for now I do not see you any closer than say Italians or Spanish people, who I do not hate but also do not reagrd as my compatriots, I am being honest with you I hope you understand.
My reason for turning the whole issue into a story was to help you understand how we see things and why we feel so passionately about asking for safe guards or division.

In essence we are saying the same theing that the husband repeatedly raped and abused the wife for 11 years, therefore making him a rapist, no wife deserves to be raped, do you agree?.

What you suggest is that the wife leaves the man who has protected, shown her compassion and supported her financially for 33 years (by the way the sex is always good with this man, better than rape)...and go back to the rapist giving him a second chance?

Dont you feel that now they tired a plan and the wife said well Im not sure but lets give it a try saying YES the husband got annoyed that he had to behave according to new rules where he would not be able to rape her anymore so he told every one to go to hell by saying NO.

I think you have to go away and think long and hard realizing what the husband has really done here and not make excuses he has to win the confidence and heart of this woman if he really wants her back to share the rest of their life together in peace and harmony.

You are a woman what would ask for? obvioulsly not just his word.

Dear VP, I respect you and your views, but I see you as my compatriot since you are TC. I am more than a neighbour and more either you like it or not my dear VP. And don’t tell me that you do not accept our brotherhood and our common history. We have lots of common thing in our language, in our way of life, in our cuisine, we are even similar in the bad things. We are stubborn and instead of talking is like we are yelling to each other, we can not enjoy a conversation if we don’t use swear word couple of times etc Anyway, I am not going to change your mind, since I try couple of times and you are not willing to change, I am not going to push you any more. They are your views and I respect them. But I assure you that my feelings towards you and the rest of the TCs, even if you crack me up sometimes, are equal to the rest of the Cypriots.

As for the story, no need to explain, I understood and be sure that I really enjoy it

But VP, I didn’t say that he didn’t rape her…and I didn’t say that it was fair. But what you have done and you keep doing with the story is the same thing that you do with the Cyprus problem. You tell me that the wife is and angel…but remember she didn’t want their baby, she didn’t accept him as her husband anymore, and she rejected him as a sexual partner and she scratch him so bad that he was bleeding. But still the rape is a rape and is not right. I wish things were not like that. But can you understand his frustration? He had to face the fact that she rejected him, she didn’t want to have sex with him, she didn’t want to take care their baby and she was flirting with the neighbour in frond of his eyes. That doesn’t give him the right to rape her but she is not innocent either.
Now as for the neighbour and the wife, sex is better than rape. Ok I agree but he treats her really bad during sex and he doesn’t care about her if she is in pain or she is bleeding. But when he finish, he hug her and kiss her and tells her how much he loves her. She sleeps with her and in the morning before she leave for his work, he give her some money and tells her how great she was last night. Don’t you think that is like the pimp and the prostitute? VP, he treats her bad but he covers them all later. It is like the situation that a man hits his wife because she looked a man who passed next to her and whistle. He hit her and then he tells her “you forced me my love, I have done that because I love you and I want the best for you”. And she feels guilty that she looked the other man and forgives him and say that it was her fault and she deserved that, her husband adore her! Do you agree with that? Is the same situation, but also the neighbour raped her with her will. I hope you can understand that. She wants him to make love to her but he gives her a painful sex! But she made love with her husband, years ago, love not sex! And in her heart she wants love again but she has all the memories from those years that he raped her. So she prefer to stay with the pimp sorry the neighbour!

As for the plan, she said yes because the plan included everything she asked and even more but didn’t include some of the things that he requested. And he did NOT request to rape her but he couldn’t accept the fact that he had to sleep with the neighbour as well. The woman didn’t have any problems since she had sex with both of them in the past. But for him, the fact that he had to share his wife, share the house and sleep with him at the same time it was too much. That’s why he rejected the plan.

VP, you asked me to go away and think about the situation. Well I am away, I am in UK…how far do you want me to go? But you have to step back and rethink about the situation. The husband is trying every day to earn her respect and her love. But since he didn’t accept to share her, the house and the bed with her pimp, she doesn’t want to hear anything about him. She keeps telling him that she doesn’t consider him as her husband, but actually they didn’t get a divorce…she still has his surname she is called Cypriot but she has given to the new baby both surnames, her husband surname and the neighbour surname.

Yes VP, I am a woman and because of my past experience I don’t believe too much in words and fairy tales. But the poor husbands is putting her name in his business, he write her name next to his address, he gives her some presents, things that she can use only and not the neighbour as well…you know cosmetics and sexy underwear The neighbour ca see them but he can not use them. But what else he can do? She doesn’t want to listen, she accept the present but she still ask him to have an orgy with them, all together, the neighbour, the wife and the husband. But he doesn’t like it. Tell me VP…do you like orgy?

Sorry, just skip the last question and tell me what the woman want from him!

[LENA]

ooopss...I should rephrase the last sentence..
The only time a GC will buy form a TC is if he is selling his land.. :wink:

I HOPE YOU WERE JOKKING!!!

Very true, even today GC businessmen do not trade with TCs over the Green Line.

Lena did you read my post you?

VP, I am a bit busy at the moment and I want to get back to you with a proper answer...so you will have to wait...yes I read your reply...and i will reply soon...you are a bit addicted to my posts my dear? I will reply to your post and to the above as well...but give me time!

First of all iceman, I am sorry but I don’t recall if you are GC or TC but if I am correct you live in Cyprus (I don’t bet my head on that because I might lose it) but do you really know what is going on there? Lots of GC businessmen trade with TC. Lots of GC builders employ TCs, some travel centres and some constructive business deal with TCs. Even if some of them are illegal. But the whole thing is a fact. Are not so many true because of the situation but are facts.

As for the land part I should better not comment further than the above because I might have VP preaching me that I should do what I say to others

[Rain]

Couple of weeks before a member of this forum suggested of a get together party. What happened? I am still looking forward for the Shish Kebab and the Zivania,for the Kofter and the Grassi,the Buzzuki and the Darbuka.

[Viewpoint]

LENA

But VP, I didn’t say that he didn’t rape her…and I didn’t say that it was fair. But what you have done and you keep doing with the story is the same thing that you do with the Cyprus problem. You tell me that the wife is and angel…but remember she didn’t want their baby, she didn’t accept him as her husband anymore, and she rejected him as a sexual partner and she scratch him so bad that he was bleeding. But still the rape is a rape and is not right. I wish things were not like that.

Rape is rape dear Lena and kicking and biting back to defend yourself is not wrong in my book, the husband had no intention of loving or caring for the baby, he had ideas to sell it to a man called Greece, thats why in 1963 when the baby was only 3 years old, the husband used force to take the baby away from its mother and sell it to Greece, that when the mother knew she didnt love her husband anymore but the husband didnt care as he was stronger so when she did give him any sex he started to rape her of not only her body but her soul, for 11 years she suffered continous rape, left in poverty, isolated and in fear of death, her families homes were burnt to the ground and her cousins went missing never to be found again.

We all wish it had never happened but we cant turn the clock back, thats why we have to accepts our wrongs and pay for our past mistakes, we have to learn from the past and move forward to what we consider would be a better life for both the husband and the wife.

He had to face the fact that she rejected him, she didn’t want to have sex with him, she didn’t want to take care their baby and she was flirting with the neighbour in frond of his eyes. That doesn’t give him the right to rape her but she is not innocent either.

No it does not give him the right to rape her or sell her baby, how would you feel as a woman if it were you in her position?

Now as for the neighbour and the wife, sex is better than rape. Ok I agree but he treats her really bad during sex and he doesn’t care about her if she is in pain or she is bleeding. But when he finish, he hug her and kiss her and tells her how much he loves her. She sleeps with her and in the morning before she leave for his work, he give her some money and tells her how great she was last night. Don’t you think that is like the pimp and the prostitute? VP, he treats her bad but he covers them all later. It is like the situation that a man hits his wife because she looked a man who passed next to her and whistle. He hit her and then he tells her “you forced me my love, I have done that because I love you and I want the best for you”. And she feels guilty that she looked the other man and forgives him and say that it was her fault and she deserved that, her husband adore her! Do you agree with that? Is the same situation, but also the neighbour raped her with her will. I hope you can understand that. She wants him to make love to her but he gives her a painful sex! But she made love with her husband, years ago, love not sex! And in her heart she wants love again but she has all the memories from those years that he raped her. So she prefer to stay with the pimp sorry the neighbour!

Are you in a better position to know more about this couples sex life or the wife? Although the neighbour is not her first love just like yours will never be, she has found security and safety in his arms they have even and raised a baby together call the TRNC, he has never raped or forced her to do anything, he may not be the best looking man and he may have a jealous streak but the choice she has is between a rapist and a man that provides security and safety, the choice is imo obvious.

All partners give their wives money does thatmake that relation one of prostitute and pimp? this is called trust and co-operation.

As for the plan, she said yes because the plan included everything she asked and even more but didn’t include some of the things that he requested. And he did NOT request to rape her but he couldn’t accept the fact that he had to sleep with the neighbour as well. The woman didn’t have any problems since she had sex with both of them in the past. But for him, the fact that he had to share his wife, share the house and sleep with him at the same time it was too much. That’s why he rejected the plan.

Or maybe he just want to have the freedom torape her again and whnever he wanted only if he could get rid of the neighbour then she woudl be exposed and back to square 1, whats the point?

VP, you asked me to go away and think about the situation. Well I am away, I am in UK…how far do you want me to go? But you have to step back and rethink about the situation. The husband is trying every day to earn her respect and her love. But since he didn’t accept to share her, the house and the bed with her pimp, she doesn’t want to hear anything about him. She keeps telling him that she doesn’t consider him as her husband, but actually they didn’t get a divorce…she still has his surname she is called Cypriot but she has given to the new baby both surnames, her husband surname and the neighbour surname.

Would you go back to your rapist? even though he claims to have changed and he still clenches his fist banging it on a table called embargoes, they are only married on paper due to number of years that has passed they are technically divorced only a joint decision left.

Yes VP, I am a woman and because of my past experience I don’t believe too much in words and fairy tales. But the poor husbands is putting her name in his business, he write her name next to his address, he gives her some presents, things that she can use only and not the neighbour as well…you know cosmetics and sexy underwear The neighbour ca see them but he can not use them. But what else he can do? She doesn’t want to listen, she accept the present

He buys and offers her a dress and trinkets yet continues to ensure she cannot work or go abroad or even have visitation rights to the child he stole from her arms.

You are a woman could you get back into the same bed with the man that raped your for 11 years?

Imo if I were the woman I would want my own house and laws where he could not force his will on me every again. The right to share equally the rights to their child "RoC" which should be renamed "United Cyprus" just to forget the bad past and repeated rapes carried out by the husband. The guarantee from the neighbour and husband that if the husband should try to hurt or rape the wife again the neighbour could return and split the 2 forever.

They could meet to talk about how to raise united Cyprus and to make sure that both houses are in good repair and that the flowers are growing properly and that there is enough water for everyone.

The moral of the story is can you go back to having sex with your rapist and call it love??

[LENA]

VP you really enjoy giving me homework dont you?? But you dont want to admit some things...you are more one sided VP, but no worries I will get back to you!

But can you answer me a question please so I can write them all down tonight? Do you really love the fact that Turkey is there? Do you think that they are treading you as best as they can? Do you have complains against the Turkish army and the Turkish government?

Ok more than one but I am sure you can manage it! By the way can you tell me (since you are from the side of the woman) if the woman see her husband as a rapist only. She has anything good to say for him? Does she have memories from the years that they were in love?

[Viewpoint]

VP you really enjoy giving me homework dont you?? But you dont want to admit some things...you are more one sided VP, but no worries I will get back to you!

But can you answer me a question please so I can write them all down tonight? Do you really love the fact that Turkey is there? Do you think that they are treading you as best as they can? Do you have complains against the Turkish army and the Turkish government?

Lena is there a perfect husband out there? he has his faults but he keeps me safe and secure and doesnt rape me. The choice is clear the rapist or the not so refine guy.

[LENA]

VP you really enjoy giving me homework dont you?? But you dont want to admit some things...you are more one sided VP, but no worries I will get back to you!

But can you answer me a question please so I can write them all down tonight? Do you really love the fact that Turkey is there? Do you think that they are treading you as best as they can? Do you have complains against the Turkish army and the Turkish government?

Lena is there a perfect husband out there? he has his faults but he keeps me safe and secure and doesnt rape me. The choice is clear the rapist or the not so refine guy.

VP...sorry I add some more...and dont go round...I need answers! I am always straight even if its against the GC! Do the same please!