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[denizaksulu]

gavur=kaffir=unbeliever, godless etc as pointed out by other members. Dont forget that the term RUM also applies to the greek speaking population of Turkey as it does derive from the word Rome, Roman, albeit Eastern Romans with their capital in Constantinopolis.
The word Yunan = Hellenic Greeks. The word itself derived from Ionia or Ionian? Where exactly was Ionia?

[Get Real!]

gavur=kaffir=unbeliever, godless etc as pointed out by other members. Dont forget that the term RUM also applies to the greek speaking population of Turkey as it does derive from the word Rome, Roman, albeit Eastern Romans with their capital in Constantinopolis.
The word Yunan = Hellenic Greeks. The word itself derived from Ionia or Ionian? Where exactly was Ionia?

Western Turkey!

[denizaksulu]

Thanks GR, I know. What I dont get is why the word Yunan/Ionian is applied to Ellas. which is on the other side of the Aegean. I am trying to get to the reasoning behind it. There must be a logical explanation or in this case an illogical explanation. I am glad you are still talking to me GRRR.

[karma]

Thanks GR, I know. What I dont get is why the word Yunan/Ionian is applied to Ellas. which is on the other side of the Aegean. I am trying to get to the reasoning behind it. There must be a logical explanation or in this case an illogical explanation. I am glad you are still talking to me GRRR.

Coz Anatolians met Ionians and named them so..for Anatolians, Ionians represented Ellas..

[iceman]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

Let us not beat around the bush,people...In Cypriot Turkish when you talk about "gavurlar" (and it is the plural version most of the time) you mean only one thing ---------->rumlar (Greek Cypriots)...Lets have the decency to admit that at least...

The dictionary meaning of the word "gavur" was asked and the correct answer is the one given above...The word has entered our vocabulary through Ottomans,and was/is also used by Turks today to describe any other christian or non beliver in islam...
I think you have been away in Oz for too long to know Turkish well enough to lecture any of us using it on daily basis..

[BirKibrisli]

Did not even bother to reply to that one VP. The man has a lapse in memory when it suits him, even when it comes to giving himself the excuse as to why he is allowed to use the word "Barbarian". One minute he is not a Turk but a Cypriot and the next he is a Turk and therefore allowed to use the word. I still can't make up my mind whether it his age or he is just playing games.

it is bcoz the Turks are not barbarians but berberians u know why??
coz
'' bir berber bir berbere gel beraber Berberistan'da bit berber dukkani acalim demis'' thts why..

Now...can you say that very quickly,Zan???

[BirKibrisli]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

Let us not beat around the bush,people...In Cypriot Turkish when you talk about "gavurlar" (and it is the plural version most of the time) you mean only one thing ---------->rumlar (Greek Cypriots)...Lets have the decency to admit that at least...

The dictionary meaning of the word "gavur" was asked and the correct answer is the one given above...The word has entered our vocabulary through Ottomans,and was/is also used by Turks today to describe any other christian or non beliver in islam...
I think you have been away in Oz for too long to know Turkish well enough to lecture any of us using it on daily basis..

My Turkish Turkish and Cypriot Turkish is good enough to lecture at the Ankara University Turkish language department,dear iceman...
Don't you worry about that...

[LENA]

Lena my dear friend I will politely bow out as although your English is good there are little fine points in my posts which make a hell of a difference you appear to either miss or misunderstand them, lets just say if your husband rapes and abuses you because of his size and you get help from a stronger person who helps you get away, would you go back to him although he has taken all the money from your joint account and just because he says has changed and that he loves you, clenching his fist?

VP, you are right, our English is good, mine is not perfect but at least ok...so we can communicate but not understand each other. I said I have scars but I will not sit and look my scars I will move on…I did NOT say I will go back to him, and I will not generalise the fact that he was …what he was…I will not have to see every single man like him. So your advice is that I should stay at the back, looking for the mistakes and the pain and the grief and the loss? No VP, I want to move on from the past, I don’t want to stick to something that causes me so much pain. I know I can have a better future than my past. I am not going to stay stuck in the period 1963-1974. I want to move on even if the past is there with the marks, with the scars being visible for the rest of my life. I will not bring all the dead people back or correct the mistakes. What I have to do is to keep going to move on and create a better future.

Now, as for your new example, my husband rapes me and abuses me because of his size and I get help from stronger person to get away. He gets my money and he tells me after a while that he change, he loves me but he is clenching his fist. Well, first of all, if you see the TC as the female and the GC as the male and Turkey as the stronger person…your story has lots of mistakes. First, Turkey didn’t came to Cyprus to help you…don’t tell me b* because if it was only for help they should have left years ago…and they shouldn’t treat you and us, as we belong to them. So that third stronger person is raping the woman and the man in a daily base. But it seems to me that the woman is a bit masochistic or a slut…since she didn’t like what happened with her husband but she enjoy the other block…Second of all the husband didn’t take her money but he had to pay for the hospital that the new block send him, he had to buy a new house because the block through him out of the house and he had to find a job in new area that he had to live since then. He was so pissed of about the whole issue with the new block and his wife…because that bloke forced him to bow and (*) him every day since then and the wife believed that the new bloke was a hero and she kept opening her legs (sorry about my language but I am straight)… but after years he thought that they had 2 babies together that they had to give them a good example and better future so he thought that he had to offer her to leave together…no sexual relationships…just share the same house, bills, responsibilities etc…

But TC and GC are not husband and wife…are brothers …and for me there is no money matter in the middle…Cyprus is…TC and GC are children of Cyprus…and Greece and Turkey are the old cousins and UK and USA are the uncle and the aunt…so make up a new scenario with the real story!!

But please next time don’t involve my personal life in it…it start sound like a drama here…and for God sake I am not married, nobody rape me THANK GOD!! and my personal life has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem

[LENA]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

Let us not beat around the bush,people...In Cypriot Turkish when you talk about "gavurlar" (and it is the plural version most of the time) you mean only one thing ---------->rumlar (Greek Cypriots)...Lets have the decency to admit that at least...

The dictionary meaning of the word "gavur" was asked and the correct answer is the one given above...The word has entered our vocabulary through Ottomans,and was/is also used by Turks today to describe any other christian or non beliver in islam...
I think you have been away in Oz for too long to know Turkish well enough to lecture any of us using it on daily basis..

Iceman...why Zan said the same thing...really guys made up your mind...is gavur used for the GC or the infidel???

If next time I will be in Cyprus and hear gavur how am I going to translate it??

[Kikapu]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

Let us not beat around the bush,people...In Cypriot Turkish when you talk about "gavurlar" (and it is the plural version most of the time) you mean only one thing ---------->rumlar (Greek Cypriots)...Lets have the decency to admit that at least...

The dictionary meaning of the word "gavur" was asked and the correct answer is the one given above...The word has entered our vocabulary through Ottomans,and was/is also used by Turks today to describe any other christian or non beliver in islam...
I think you have been away in Oz for too long to know Turkish well enough to lecture any of us using it on daily basis..

Iceman...why Zan said the same thing...really guys made up your mind...is gavur used for the GC or the infidel???

If next time I will be in Cyprus and hear gavur how am I going to translate it??

I'm not going to translate what the word "GAVUR" means, as the way is written in the dictionary, since I don't even have one, and since all of you have pretty much have given your versions of the meaning of the word, which are more or less the same. But what you have not given, is this.!

I have heard of this word ever since childhood, and after we were released as "prisoners" in late 1963 and were forced to live in my uncle's carpenter shop's stock room with my Grandmother, in Nicosia. My Grandmother would curse the "GAVURS" for what they have done to us. When ever she used that word, her whole facial expression would change along with her body language. She would use her hands, as if to make believe she would want to "slap" that word, or make a small fist and shake it, just above the wrist, as to emphasise that word. I have since then, noticed other peoples reactions for the last 40 + years, when ever the word "GAVUR" is used, and the interpretation I get is, that it is said in a very hateful way, very unpleasant way, very disapproval way, very negative way, very distrustful way, very insulting way. So when our friend mrfromng used the word "GAVUR" couple of times in the same sentence, he was not just saying the word "Greek or Greek Cypriots", but much much more than that.