Birkibrisli
Thank you for you very measured response,VP..
Without provocation or verbal abuse this is what you get, thank you for noticing.
I have no doubt that the TC fear of GC domination is very real.And I accept without reservation that the GC OXI was a big psychological slap in the face for TCs...
Unless these and other concerns are addressed psychological barriers will remain firmly in place and no progress will be made just labelling them excuses will not make them go away.
My biff with you guys is that you are stuck in the 60s and refuse to move on...
We to have moved we had to fight for our survival and now the TRNC is our safe haven, hich totally changed the ball game. As my signature says we should learn our lessons from the past to ensure we do not repeat the same mistakes in the future. Thats why we TCs always ask for safe guards to ensure that past events are not allowed to ever happen again.
Times have changed...Cyprus is in the EU now...Enosis is dead and buried...Eoka is in the past...The security we need is right there in the international law of the EU...And of course we are only 5 minutes away by fighter jet from Turkey if need be...But we still insist that GC people should accept the de facto partition,forced upon them by 40,000 foreign soldiers...That they should give up all hope of ever returning to their homes...Of accepting that 20% of the population should not only have equal political power in international law,but also guarantees written in concrete and safeguarded by Turkish troops...
Have they really? TCs are still isolated and we have the GCs controlling and benefiting from the "RoC" just as they wish. Cyprus in the EU, so what? what has really changed? imo nothing with regards to solving the Cyprus issue. Enosis/Eoka was born out of the need to change things, it only takes a small spark of nationalism and a few idiots to create mayhem and death, look at our neighbours Isreal/Palenstine, bombs go off all the time is that what ou want for Cyprus? how will you tell the parents of dead school children when a bomb is planted by extremists unhappy with the structure of the united Cyprus that unification was a good idea, when we have had no inter communal fighting for 33 years. What has the internatıonal law done for the GCs? have they gotten back 37% of the island they lost in 1974? If Turkey was to leave she could never return in a time of crisis, and you know this, we would be in the EU and she would be outside and therefore unable to run to our rescue yet again. Unless the EU and GCs accept that her Guarantor status continues and she may intervene until a time when she enters the EU then this may be acceptable to TCs but seeing GCs have a big problem with this they would reject it. The EU for security now you are joking, need I remind you of Bosnia while thousands or innocent people were being kiled the EU was a spctator, they have 323 meeting to decide what colour toilet rolls to buy I hate to even imagine the number of deaths that would occur while they were having meeting upon meeting with no results, these would be our lives.
The support for partition should be just as acceptable as yours is for unificaiton as it is in reality an alternative...support will increase as people realize that agreeing solution is a very unlikely event in the light of the past 44 years.
But that to one side you to have to get your misconceptions out of your head I and many TCs do not feel that GC refugees should not return to the north and receive their property rights because this is not the case. As for political imbalance we TCs only want to have the power to stop any decisions that will effect our community negatively and we would be very foolish to block any decision that would be in everyones favor dont you think? Give us a little creidt for gods sake we are not stupid. Kifeas put forward a structure which on the face of it appeared acceptable.
If you were a GC what would you do to a politician who told you that is what he/she is going to accept on your behalf...???The level playing field you are talking about will never happen...Because that field will not be level...it will be tilted in the TC favour so much that most GCs will fall off it into the sea...Like the 200,000 (or whatever refugees from the North)...
What for you is a level playing field is total capitulation for the GCs,their acceptance of the rule of the jungle,"what is won by bloodshedding etc..."type fascist logic...It will never happen...You accuse me of being a capitulatist yet you expect the 80% majority of Cypriots to do just that...
Without a level playing field we will not progress, why do you think the EU are trying to ease our isolation. With regards to the GC politican who had the vision to see that these steps would also benefit their community and in time bring about trust and co-operation unfortunately he/she doesnt exsist but understanding that economical progress would aid the financial burden GC fear and help push the process along whereby eg Maras is returned, troops are reduced, GC refugees go home, settlers are returned etc.
You have surrendered to the GC viewpoint if you have not could you please put forward arguements in favor of the TCs of what we should do to ensure to are not pushed to one side by the numerical majority?
All of you are ignoring my often stated formula of returning in an orderly fashion to the 1960 constitution,keeping the guarantee agreements and all...and making a fresh start...Sometime down the line when we are well and truly trusting each other we can agree on measures to make the whole thing more and more democratic...We might have to agree on a timetable before we begin the whole new republic but that can be arranged if goodwill exist...By insisting on recognition and lifting of the sanctions etc you are essentially sticking out your middle finger to our compatriots on the other side and laughing in their face...It makes you look very shifty and insincere indeed...
How long do you think before the GCs via the EU would produce Akritas 2? Piratis always confirms they were forced into signing the 1960 agreements and clearly they had no intention of sticking to it. They only cling on dearly to this constitiution becuase the TC factor was eradicated go back to it and they will do everything possible to change it. Plus for Tcs to go back to an agreement which caused themm so much tragedy would psychological very difficult as the " RoC" is viewed as a GC state which we have never felt a part of.
Recognition could be the last lap so to speak by which time we would know if we can indeed trust each other and unite. Pushing us into a GC dominated state is asking us to make a great leap of faith and will put our community into danger of becoming a minority in our own country.
