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[karma]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

[iceman]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

[miltiades]

Any one knows the exact number of Gavurs in the world. There is a price for correct answers !!
Ps. When giving a number it must be split into male Gavusr and female Gavurs . Other species to be excluded .

[LENA]

Lena I appreciate your response but I cannot change my character as I feel it has served me well for the past 45 years. I am a patient man but I cannot promise that I will not return an insult in the future to someone who continoulsy attempts to take advantage of my patience and civlized responses. Please try to register the number of insults being hurled at me prior to my response which on this occassion upset you.
I will repeat I only insult someone when extremely provoked as I am human.

I am sorry to hear about your prombled past love life as you sound like a very nice person but the paralell I can draw is that you of all people should understand us TCs better than anyone. How will you enter another relationship? the scars of the past effect your viewpoint and couple this with the imposition of an ex-bf whom you had a very turbulent and draining relationship with.

People on a 121 basis are fine where ever you go in the world its when you ask someone who do you want to make decisions about your daily lives and your future when people say well Id really like to do it myself and not leave it to others. Like I do not want the Nigerians or Russians to rule me and take decision on my behalf I do not want the GCs to do this without safeguards to ensure that I to will influence my own future.

I respect your views and opinion my dear VP. And I will stop bugging you about the insult matter here.

As for the scars, yes are there, and it will be there for the rest of my life since I had to go into surgeries. . . but still is difficult to enter into a new relationship. . . true. . . but not impossible. And one person doesnt make the rest of them the same as him. So do I have to hate all the TC because one of them killed a member of my family back then? Is that what you are telling me? I will have to stay away from all the TCs because of one? I should stay back from the unification and request partition because of my scars? VP is that what you are telling me? And by the way I never said to let any GC or TC or Russian to rule your life!

[LENA]

For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.

Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?

Gavur is me =no religion...no nation...no taboos...no pressure
Love & red wine

Gavur = infidel
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.

Thanks Karma and iceman!

[karma]

Any one knows the exact number of Gavurs in the world. There is a price for correct answers !!
Ps. When giving a number it must be split into male Gavusr and female Gavurs . Other species to be excluded .

I dont know about the world but the 2 good gavurs on this forum is U and Me

[Viewpoint]

Lena I appreciate your response but I cannot change my character as I feel it has served me well for the past 45 years. I am a patient man but I cannot promise that I will not return an insult in the future to someone who continoulsy attempts to take advantage of my patience and civlized responses. Please try to register the number of insults being hurled at me prior to my response which on this occassion upset you.
I will repeat I only insult someone when extremely provoked as I am human.

I am sorry to hear about your prombled past love life as you sound like a very nice person but the paralell I can draw is that you of all people should understand us TCs better than anyone. How will you enter another relationship? the scars of the past effect your viewpoint and couple this with the imposition of an ex-bf whom you had a very turbulent and draining relationship with.

People on a 121 basis are fine where ever you go in the world its when you ask someone who do you want to make decisions about your daily lives and your future when people say well Id really like to do it myself and not leave it to others. Like I do not want the Nigerians or Russians to rule me and take decision on my behalf I do not want the GCs to do this without safeguards to ensure that I to will influence my own future.

I respect your views and opinion my dear VP. And I will stop bugging you about the insult matter here.

As for the scars, yes are there, and it will be there for the rest of my life since I had to go into surgeries. . . but still is difficult to enter into a new relationship. . . true. . . but not impossible. And one person doesnt make the rest of them the same as him. So do I have to hate all the TC because one of them killed a member of my family back then? Is that what you are telling me? I will have to stay away from all the TCs because of one? I should stay back from the unification and request partition because of my scars? VP is that what you are telling me? And by the way I never said to let any GC or TC or Russian to rule your life!

Lena my dear friend I will politely bow out as although your English is good there are little fine points in my posts which make a hell of a difference you appear to either miss or misunderstand them, lets just say if your husband rapes and abuses you because of his size and you get help from a stronger person who helps you get away, would you go back to him although he has taken all the money from your joint account and just because he says has changed and that he loves you, clenching his fist?

[zan]

Zan...there is no doubt the OXI vote was a big blow for the TCs...They felt rejected once more...Unwanted,belittled whatever...I know that and I am sure Kikapu knows that too.But what we can see and you lot can't or refuse to see is this: this NO vote was not a vote for partition or keeping the status quo...it was simply a rejection of the Annan Plan as it was proposed,which would've led to a defacto partition without addressing the real issues of right of return,freedom of movement,natural justice,and human right considerations. Once again the TRNC propaganda machine went into overdrive to convince TCs that OXI meant Gcs didn't want to live with TCs,wanted to keep them as an oppressed minority,assimilate them by osmosis,saw them as second class citizens etc etc...Once again no effort was spared to further entrench the partition and the division of the Cypriot people...If people like you,and bigOz and mrfromng cannot see the games played out at the expense of our country and our people,and if you keep attacking those of us who try to blow the whistle,the only conclusion we can draw is that you are willing participants in the rape and pillage and destruction of our motherland,Cyprus...

Make no mistake...i am not putting all the blame on the TCs for everything that happened since probably 1920s...All the manipulation and scare mongering and actual masskillings,ethnic cleansings, and sabotage activities of the EOKA and the TMT...The only sensible thing is to accept the blame equally,and move forward to address the emotional and physical factors which are keeping our country divided...When all is said and done,the reality that stares us in the face is this: Cyprus is under Turkish occupation...Tcs are seen as collaborators for not standing up to this occupation but welcome it...I know and you know that there is little the TCs can do under the present conditions....We are a community twice betrayed in our short history...once by our so called leaders,and then by our so called saviours...We are a community at the brink of total extinction...We are close to cultural genocide...There are a few of us in this forum and outside in the real world who are trying to warn you off the road to self-annihilation and suicide...We do not deserve to be attacked as traitors,selfinterested individuals,and stripped of our true national identity...That is where Kikapu's and my anger is coming from...You are the ones who are betraying us and our community...You should be ashamed of yourselves...

And this is the prime example of why we are angry with you and Kikapu. Not a mention of the Greek propaganda machine going into overdrive and leading its people up the garden path. Nothing that says that the GCs might have got it wrong. We as Turks in your eyes are the only ones that can do wrong. I don't want you to under estimate how angry I get when you write this Turk hating crap that you do. The OXI was well orchestrated and so were the events leading up to it. I have asked a thousand times if they were not happy with it why they did not negotiate it better. Why did they not put the vote off until they did. Why have they done nothing about it since. You have not answered any of them except with more propaganda. You give all the credit to the GCs but just like Kikapyros you hate the Turks for not falling for the shit. In return you offer us nothing. We ask why the "RoC" does nothing to put the wrongs right and you say we can do that once we are in. Bollocks. You are so one sided in this that it makes my blood boil that you think we are that stupid to fall for it. You may hate the Turk in you but I am beginning to love it more and more every time I hear someone like you speak. You use every trick in the book like a well-versed Greek propagandist and that is why we suspect your intentions. Why is it that every decision that has been made, we the Turks have made the wrong ones and the Greeks have always made the right ones. Were we also wrong to defend our selves in the 60s and 70s. Were we also wrong to try and get a fair deal in any discussions. Are we also wrong to love and respect our own people. The OXI was planned from the top so the TRNC was right to tell its people that. If you are trying to tell me that the entire GC people sat around and thought it through for themselves and came out with an honest and fair deal then you really are deluded. You want us to believe that the decision was taken by the people but in the TRNC only dirty tricks were played. You are full of shit my friend and my suspicions about you are growing daily. You ask us to give up everything and you offer us nothing. What sort of fools do you think we are. Perhaps you are a real Turk and are just using reverse psychology to get us to become nationalistic. If that is the case then well done....It is working. The smoke screen that you are trying to put up Bir is blowing in the wind. We know what is going on behind it. If you really believe what you are saying then the smoke is blowing back into your eyes. Stop taking us for idiots Bir. I for one do not appreciate it.


What I would ask you to do now is to prepare a list as to who did what and post it on the forum. I would then like you to justify your beliefs within those parameters. I will not hold my breath that you will actually do this but I will ask just the same.

WE are not to blame for the entire shit that the Greeks have thrown at us. We have enough of our own sins to contend with. We do not need you adding those of he Greeks on to us as well.


As for shame...I do feel it...I feel it for you that sits there in OZ with no idea about what is really going on with the people in the TRNC/KKTCyou dare to preach to them from your armchair. You give them no respect for being able to think for them selves and come up with something that works for them at ground zero. You are an arogant armchair general Bir and dishonest with your self and with your people.

[T_C]

I tried to tell you all that the myth that there are more Turks than TCs in the north was just lies.....


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The Cyprus government has expressed its dissatisfaction and disappointment over the resolution adopted on Thursday by the German Federal Parliament, Foreign Minister Yiorgos Lillikas said adding however that “there are also many positive elements in the resolution for our side''.

With the exception of the ultra-left communist party, all the German parties joined forces to pass a resolution, according to which Germany will work to over-turn the isolation of Turkish Cypriots in the education, business and finance and administration, rejecting a strong lobbying campaign mounted by the Cyprus Embassy in Berlin.


The German parliament also questioned and is casting doubt on the data provided by the government of Cyprus on the number of settlers in the north of Cyprus from Turkey. The German vote was carried out in the presence of the Undersecretary of Foreign Ministry, thus giving added weight to the resolution, which underlines the support of the German government. ( )
Invited to say whether the adoption of this resolution constitutes a diplomatic defeat for the Cypriot government, Lillikas said that “someone must first read the resolution, evaluate it as regards its value and important and see its content before putting a label on it.”
The government, he added, “has expressed its dissatisfaction and disappointment over the resolution, which is not binding for the German governments and we do not ignore the fact that there also many positive elements in this resolution for our side as well, and it refers to the reference for gradual withdrawal of the Turkish troops from Cyprus, on the issue of property and especially on the issue of the restoration of the state unity and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. We must not ignore these things,” he added.
“At the same time someone must evaluate the circumstances in which this particular resolution was promoted to understand the reasons,” he added.
Lillikas said the Foreign Ministry had made a lot of efforts and contacts regarding this resolution, before its approval by the German Federal Parliament and that Cyprus political parties had also taken initiatives to this direction, and thanked on the part of the government the parties for their actions.
Furthermore he underlined the difference between the legislative and the executive authority, the parliament and the government, in democratic countries.

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I hope BK can see that at least on this issue he's been influenced by GC propaganda and that it DOES exist. I'm not trying to put anyone down just trying to make people understand that theres lies being told CONSTANTLY by BOTH SIDES and by swearing alliance to just the one side you are doing SERIOUS discredit to the other.

[miltiades]

Any one knows the exact number of Gavurs in the world. There is a price for correct answers !!
Ps. When giving a number it must be split into male Gavusr and female Gavurs . Other species to be excluded .

I dont know about the world but the 2 good gavurs on this forum is U and Me

My dear Karma , on another thread , I reprimanded you on an issue.
Youa re still a great kid.