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Postby Kikapu » Sat May 26, 2007 12:32 am

zan wrote:How old did you say you were Kikapyros. :roll: I cannot believe that you would go this far to embarrass your self. You made some strange assumptions in your story but this has got to take the biscuit. You still have not come to terms with the fantastic cock up you made with the conclusion of your story about your fictitious cousins’ husband. I told you a couple of times that if you carry on with a lie it will soon become as clear as the nose on your face and still you carry on. No amount of cover up is going to change that mate so give it up for gods’ sake. I told DT that I could not watch "The Office" for a long time because I felt so embarrassed for actors and I am now feeling the same way about you.

A very clever man came on and asked you all why you were surprised that "Kikapus" adventures found that most of the GC people were actually nice people. None of you took a blind bit of notice of him and least of all you. You proved nothing in your story and you have proved nothing with this embarrassing charade. You admit hat you used certain words to evoke certain reactions but then you ask every one to be surprised by he reactions that you knew you would evoke. What sort of a prat researcher are you to think that we would not see that. If there was ever an example of a fixed result, I think this would take the biscuit. Don’t eat it too quickly. :roll:

So from your results you deduced that we all hate GCs. If all GCs are like you portrayed them to be in this stupid experiment then yes we hate all GCs. We ALL know that not all GCs are like that and we have all said so at one point or another. What your experiment really shows is hat we hate you. To be absolutely honest I think most GCs would hate you if they realised what you have just done. As a TC you have just dragged their name through he mud to prove that TCs hate them. I know what I would think if I were a GC but that is up to them.


No My friend. What you need to do is to just wind your little brain back a little bit and ask your self what we really are trying to say. What we are telling you is that we do not understand a man that says he is a TC but does every thing he can to run down his own race and even exaggerates and lies to do so. Why would a person go out of his way to make his own people look like the worst people on the planet. Why would you take everything that has happened to us and turn it upside down and not give us one single reason to behave the way we do. Do you honestly believe that we do not have one single piece of right to ask, beg or even believe that we have certain rights that must be allowed for. I can understand a certain type of GC that would and in that case you would fall into that category and that is why you would be classed as one of them. You behave like a fascist GC so you are one.


You are pathetic my friend and such a lost soul that you will become very ill soon. You will have your breakdown because none of this makes any sense and when your anger and frustration comes to a finish you will have nothing to rely on.


I find it so so strange that those of you that class yourselves as true Cypriots seem to show the most hostility against your fellow Cypriots. This is the same mentality that Hitler had. In his mind he had to create a super race that filled his every dream. His dream turned into a nightmare because there is no super race but a diverse and fragile human race. You, Birkibrisli and Miltiades seem to think that you are the mould that we all should aspire to be poured into. You are not the super race friends but you ARE as deluded as Hitler was. Your nightmares will follow as sure as night follows day because you have given no allowances for just being human. Give me the Greek nationalists any day of the week. We know where they are coming from. You guys are the ones that attack from behind because you have persuaded yourselves that you are right and every one else is wrong. We still have our doubts as all normal human beings do. With your arrogance come the abuse and the lies and the deception that is necessary to fulfil dream of a super race. Prepare the gas chamber my brothers because there will be many that do not fit the bill.


Zan,

I told you before I wrote my Cyprus "Report", that I hope you could handle the truth. You still cannot handle the truth. The fact that you insist on this "husband cock-up" goes to show, that just as my little experiment proved, that no TC could ever tell the truth to the rest of the world, what they believe that goes on in the "TRNC". Yes it is true, that the "husband" had no idea that his remarks would be on the net, but since no names are being used, he is not being harmed by this. What is more interesting is, that you and Miss VP and others at different times, have said the same thing as what the "husband" said, but always of course "sugar coated", where as, he said it straight. You know it is the truth in what the "husband" said, but you want to deny it. So give it a rest, on the "cock-up" theory.

I did not read or remember regarding the comments made my a member, "as to why I would be surprised that the GC were nice". I think that's what BigOz was commenting the other day. I will be happy to read it, if you can direct me to it, or better still, post it here. Why on earth, would I refuse to answer his question.??? You people are so desperate to do anything to make that "report" go away. It goes to show how much hate you people have to the truth and the reality.

As for my experiment, it was mostly "natural postings" that got yourselves once again to show who you Partitionist and Propagandist really are. I just helped it a little. Why is it so hard to accept what a honest TC like myself and Bir have to say about the "TRNC" or the RoC, without having to label us as Traitors. We happen to believe in "Freedom of Speech" so it is you and your kind, that live through the Hitler and Nazi fashion, who wants to shut people up, or worse take away their dignity and Identity along with their Citizenship. I only expose those, who hide behind the mask. But then again, this all comes natural with you bunch, when someone disagrees with you. Look at the way you and Miss VP treated me and Birkibrisli. Where is your compassion for your fellow citizen, who only speak the truth as we see them. At the very least just say that we don't know what we are talking about, but my god, to crucify us, so no my little Nazi friends, I have no regret exposing the Fascist on this forum, and their true feelings towards my countrymen, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots alike.

I know you will scream and shout all sorts of things, as you and Miss VP always does, as a "damage control", but you only have yourselves to blame, as to the things you say, and behave. My comments are always directed to the Fascist on this forum and the "TRNC", and not to the TC's themselves, so don't try to once again rap yourselves in the arms of the TC's for protection, because it is you people, that are trying to harm them, by pushing for a Partition, to serve your own selfish interests.
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Postby zan » Sat May 26, 2007 12:58 am

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zan wrote:How old did you say you were Kikapyros. :roll: I cannot believe that you would go this far to embarrass your self. You made some strange assumptions in your story but this has got to take the biscuit. You still have not come to terms with the fantastic cock up you made with the conclusion of your story about your fictitious cousins’ husband. I told you a couple of times that if you carry on with a lie it will soon become as clear as the nose on your face and still you carry on. No amount of cover up is going to change that mate so give it up for gods’ sake. I told DT that I could not watch "The Office" for a long time because I felt so embarrassed for actors and I am now feeling the same way about you.

A very clever man came on and asked you all why you were surprised that "Kikapus" adventures found that most of the GC people were actually nice people. None of you took a blind bit of notice of him and least of all you. You proved nothing in your story and you have proved nothing with this embarrassing charade. You admit hat you used certain words to evoke certain reactions but then you ask every one to be surprised by he reactions that you knew you would evoke. What sort of a prat researcher are you to think that we would not see that. If there was ever an example of a fixed result, I think this would take the biscuit. Don’t eat it too quickly. :roll:

So from your results you deduced that we all hate GCs. If all GCs are like you portrayed them to be in this stupid experiment then yes we hate all GCs. We ALL know that not all GCs are like that and we have all said so at one point or another. What your experiment really shows is hat we hate you. To be absolutely honest I think most GCs would hate you if they realised what you have just done. As a TC you have just dragged their name through he mud to prove that TCs hate them. I know what I would think if I were a GC but that is up to them.


No My friend. What you need to do is to just wind your little brain back a little bit and ask your self what we really are trying to say. What we are telling you is that we do not understand a man that says he is a TC but does every thing he can to run down his own race and even exaggerates and lies to do so. Why would a person go out of his way to make his own people look like the worst people on the planet. Why would you take everything that has happened to us and turn it upside down and not give us one single reason to behave the way we do. Do you honestly believe that we do not have one single piece of right to ask, beg or even believe that we have certain rights that must be allowed for. I can understand a certain type of GC that would and in that case you would fall into that category and that is why you would be classed as one of them. You behave like a fascist GC so you are one.


You are pathetic my friend and such a lost soul that you will become very ill soon. You will have your breakdown because none of this makes any sense and when your anger and frustration comes to a finish you will have nothing to rely on.


I find it so so strange that those of you that class yourselves as true Cypriots seem to show the most hostility against your fellow Cypriots. This is the same mentality that Hitler had. In his mind he had to create a super race that filled his every dream. His dream turned into a nightmare because there is no super race but a diverse and fragile human race. You, Birkibrisli and Miltiades seem to think that you are the mould that we all should aspire to be poured into. You are not the super race friends but you ARE as deluded as Hitler was. Your nightmares will follow as sure as night follows day because you have given no allowances for just being human. Give me the Greek nationalists any day of the week. We know where they are coming from. You guys are the ones that attack from behind because you have persuaded yourselves that you are right and every one else is wrong. We still have our doubts as all normal human beings do. With your arrogance come the abuse and the lies and the deception that is necessary to fulfil dream of a super race. Prepare the gas chamber my brothers because there will be many that do not fit the bill.


Zan,

I told you before I wrote my Cyprus "Report", that I hope you could handle the truth. You still cannot handle the truth. The fact that you insist on this "husband cock-up" goes to show, that just as my little experiment proved, that no TC could ever tell the truth to the rest of the world, what they believe that goes on in the "TRNC". Yes it is true, that the "husband" had no idea that his remarks would be on the net, but since no names are being used, he is not being harmed by this. What is more interesting is, that you and Miss VP and others at different times, have said the same thing as what the "husband" said, but always of course "sugar coated", where as, he said it straight. You know it is the truth in what the "husband" said, but you want to deny it. So give it a rest, on the "cock-up" theory.

I did not read or remember regarding the comments made my a member, "as to why I would be surprised that the GC were nice". I think that's what BigOz was commenting the other day. I will be happy to read it, if you can direct me to it, or better still, post it here. Why on earth, would I refuse to answer his question.??? You people are so desperate to do anything to make that "report" go away. It goes to show how much hate you people have to the truth and the reality.

As for my experiment, it was mostly "natural postings" that got yourselves once again to show who you Partitionist and Propagandist really are. I just helped it a little. Why is it so hard to accept what a honest TC like myself and Bir have to say about the "TRNC" or the RoC, without having to label us as Traitors. We happen to believe in "Freedom of Speech" so it is you and your kind, that live through the Hitler and Nazi fashion, who wants to shut people up, or worse take away their dignity and Identity along with their Citizenship. I only expose those, who hide behind the mask. But then again, this all comes natural with you bunch, when someone disagrees with you. Look at the way you and Miss VP treated me and Birkibrisli. Where is your compassion for your fellow citizen, who only speak the truth as we see them. At the very least just say that we don't know what we are talking about, but my god, to crucify us, so no my little Nazi friends, I have no regret exposing the Fascist on this forum, and their true feelings towards my countrymen, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots alike.

I know you will scream and shout all sorts of things, as you and Miss VP always does, as a "damage control", but you only have yourselves to blame, as to the things you say, and behave. My comments are always directed to the Fascist on this forum and the "TRNC", and not to the TC's themselves, so don't try to once again rap yourselves in the arms of the TC's for protection, because it is you people, that are trying to harm them, by pushing for a Partition, to serve your own selfish interests.



You just can't let it go can you Pinocchio! :roll: Just because you wrote the words "You can't handle the truth", a line from a film that has been used to death does not mean that it is true no matter how many times you repeat it. :roll:

You still do not understand the fact that even if your cousins’ cat had said what you say her husband said it would not make a blind bit of difference to your summing up. You said that greed made him say what he did but in the same breath you tell him that his property in the south is worth much more. Where is the greed in that. Most sensible people would think that there is something wrong here. Why would he say that when I have just told him this. Could it be that he sees no solution. Could it be that after the Annan Plan people in the North have had enough. Could it be that he really has lost faith in the GCs ever giving a little for the sake of peace. Could it be that he has spent most of his adult life trying to make ends meet and now that he has got a chance to make a few pounds and sees no end to the Cyprob, he now just wants to get on and look after his family. Could it be that he actually holds a bit of a grudge against the GCs.
No, what you do, in your haste to make your TC hating point is to brand him a devil. Greed is what drives him. He only wants what is Greek and has no intention of a resolution. Well if I was he and I heard you talking like that then I would tell you to go fuck yourself. You come and live with the isolations for 30 years and then just as you were hoping that the island was at last going to be unified the GCs vote OXI and you look another 30 years in the face and you have a family to feed. Then along comes a prat like you and shouts and screams at him and calls him a cheat and a thief and telling him he should have let the embargoes do its job. Well fuck you. Whilst you were cruising around the world in your friends boat and having a wonderful time I was wondering where the next job was going to come from. My brother in-laws brother works as long as he could keep his truck on the road. When the money ran out for the repairs he now works digging the roads at the age of 52. So fuck you.


What you can't see that just giving up and walking back into the "RoC" will give these people nothing but another kick in the nuts. The one thing that some of those people have left is the security of living with other TCs and their pride. You want them to give both up so that you can say we are all Cypriots. Well once he has finished telling you what he thinks then you can get a fuck you from me too!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 26, 2007 5:39 am

Zan...there is no doubt the OXI vote was a big blow for the TCs...They felt rejected once more...Unwanted,belittled whatever...I know that and I am sure Kikapu knows that too.But what we can see and you lot can't or refuse to see is this: this NO vote was not a vote for partition or keeping the status quo...it was simply a rejection of the Annan Plan as it was proposed,which would've led to a defacto partition without addressing the real issues of right of return,freedom of movement,natural justice,and human right considerations. Once again the TRNC propaganda machine went into overdrive to convince TCs that OXI meant Gcs didn't want to live with TCs,wanted to keep them as an oppressed minority,assimilate them by osmosis,saw them as second class citizens etc etc...Once again no effort was spared to further entrench the partition and the division of the Cypriot people...If people like you,and bigOz and mrfromng cannot see the games played out at the expense of our country and our people,and if you keep attacking those of us who try to blow the whistle,the only conclusion we can draw is that you are willing participants in the rape and pillage and destruction of our motherland,Cyprus...

Make no mistake...i am not putting all the blame on the TCs for everything that happened since probably 1920s...All the manipulation and scare mongering and actual masskillings,ethnic cleansings, and sabotage activities of the EOKA and the TMT...The only sensible thing is to accept the blame equally,and move forward to address the emotional and physical factors which are keeping our country divided...When all is said and done,the reality that stares us in the face is this: Cyprus is under Turkish occupation...Tcs are seen as collaborators for not standing up to this occupation but welcome it...I know and you know that there is little the TCs can do under the present conditions....We are a community twice betrayed in our short history...once by our so called leaders,and then by our so called saviours...We are a community at the brink of total extinction...We are close to cultural genocide...There are a few of us in this forum and outside in the real world who are trying to warn you off the road to self-annihilation and suicide...We do not deserve to be attacked as traitors,selfinterested individuals,and stripped of our true national identity...That is where Kikapu's and my anger is coming from...You are the ones who are betraying us and our community...You should be ashamed of yourselves... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Postby LENA » Sat May 26, 2007 7:36 am

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VP, I know that you do not insult me because I do not insult you. VP, lets don’t go round again about the insults. I told you that you are right, yes I do realise that you are human being and when they insult you, you get upset. My point is not that. I saw many times insults towards others but I never said anything unless is too serious. And my opinion was that insulting his children was too much. Even if it is true. So is not enough for you that they suffer, you have to judge those children? VP, what all of us do to our own life is our problem. I am not going to tell to anybody if he or she has to sleep with one person or 100. And I do not accept to insult me in that way or interfere to my life.
I believe that what you do not like others to do to you, you have to give the example. Do not do that to others. What if Kikapu come and insult your family? You know then he will be right even if it is not.
Do you think that I have met only the good guys and gals in this planet? I have never faced insults to my life? I am young VP, but not alien. But if I try once, twice…with my way, with a good way, and s/he doesn’t get the point, I do not pay attention to that person anymore. And you know what, I notice that people who insult you they want you to get upset just to laugh with you, but if you stay calm, smile and reply to a calm way they get pissed off. If they keep going trying to get you to the edge, well you will have to ignore them, they get mad but you are still smiling. So you brought them to the position that they wanted to bring you. If you know that you are right then stay calm. Getting upset might show that you are not even sure for your self. Is not easy, but try it even once. (That trick works perfect with men, so try it with Kikapu :wink:)

I know that you are right about the post thing…but again you let them do that to you. VP, do you have any doubt about yourself? Are you a propagandist or are you expressing your views? Why you have to defend so much your self? Do you want to hide something? If you don’t why then you try to do your best for the others to believe you? If you have time to post…do it. Do not count how many and what time. If you check my post is like I am awake 24 hours a day…I post in the morning, noon, afternoon, evening, night, morning hours…but still I have my own life, I do study, I do shopping, cooking, cleaning, go to lectures, meetings, meet friends…My point is your life is your business…do what you want to do and don’t ask anybody. Air your views as you said and don’t count how many post. And if anybody has any doubts, just let him/her to come and find you, spend a day with you etc since you don’t mind any more to meet people.

If you see that your limit is up to the end…take some breaks from the forum. Spend a day, 2 days, a week or more…away…really that thing works just fine…and you will see that your family will be glad as well.

I comment about Kikapus posts as well, but he didn’t came back to me telling me…Lena…he is bulling me so I had to do that…like you. He either accepts my opinion that he is wrong or he doesn’t care about my opinion. :lol: :roll: But as I notice…he keep doing that so he doesn’t care about that…he is having fun while you are getting upset. I know….i told you…he enjoy that :lol: you manage to make him happy.

VP, I am not Virgin Mary or mother Teresa. VP, Kikapu didn’t deny his identity, he didn’t deny anything, why because of his views, even if he believe that you have not even one good thing that he could say. VP I can say lots of bad things about Cypriots, GCs. That doesn’t make me something else. Is what I believe, and I ma not trying to spread any butter or honey or marmalade on his bread. I challenge you because of what you said about his children. I am not going to repeat it…but you wanted me to apologise or prove you that you were wrong…you open the Pandora’s Box, with your own hands. I am not saying to turn your other cheek and we are nor in school. Well in school we say don’t hit him back come and tell me (the teacher), do you want to tell you that VP. Well ok when he insult you next time, come and tell me and I will ground him. Pleased? I am not sure if your mum’s tactic was better than mines but let me tell you something. My mum used to say to me since I was a child, “don’t harm anybody that hurts you, there is God up there that sees everything. Is not your job to punish them, He will”. Let me tell you something, I have only once harmed somebody, it was not my intention but I did, and I am not proud about that. Well, I got my punishment with the same and worst way. I am not saying that God punish us as a payback and wait until God or Allah will punish him, but things that we don’t want …we don’t do that to others.

I hope you were only kidding about killing thing. Well, I am not going to tell you what I will do…and tell you lies…no I will not kill anybody is against the law the religion the humans right etc…because what comes as a family matter…I am telling you I could kill anybody who was trying to harm my family. But that’s something else, here he is not trying to kill your family, BUT you insulted his family…I could kill you for that :lol:. …I am glad that he didn’t pay back with the same. I am glad that he didn’t.

As for the “TRNC”…you are totally wrong…I am not burying my head in the sand…but I am trying to stick my head into shit to come closer to that. VP, don’t forget I was there during my East vacation….and I can show you papers how many times I have been to the north…and if you remember I said that I didn’t want to go there since I had to issue a visa. But that’s another story. What exist there with all the roads, restaurants etc…for me its Cyprus. One and united, in my heart and my mind. And you can call me crazy. But if I see it as something else I will not be able to move on. I know that is temporary divided. That’s what for my project. If I see it as a different thing I will have to stop and begin my project from the beginning. The last 33 years was prosperous because of the invasion? Should I be thankful to Turkey? VP, Cypriots, both sides are hard working people. And both sides have taken money either form UN or Turkey or elsewhere to rebuild there lives and homes. And don’t tell me the b*t story, who somebody else told me (I can not recall who), that we got paid for what we have done to the TC. Both sides took money but because they suffer and they lost everything, not as a payback for a job.

VP, talking about the extremists, do you want me to think about couple of people, or 100 people instead of 7-8 thousands of people? I will ask you again. Is that a black mail? Are threading me? Do what I want or else I will kill your children? I know what you are saying. I know the danger. I know that people don’t think like me. They will kill innocent people if they have the chance. It’s what happened back then. VP I am not stupid, but I want to have more faith to people. I want to change the situation for the best not the worst. I don’t want any more grief, I don’t want any more deaths…but you are asking me to exchange that possible grief with my half or 1/3 of my country? Is what you are asking me?

VP, I have been hurt from a love in my life really bad that almost lead me to death 3 times. So, are you telling that I should stay alone for the rest of my life, in case I will be hurt again? In case the next block will finish the job?
I am telling you again, I know TCs, that I agree and I talk with them in a daily base. Why a couple of TC like you, who believe that we can not live together, but admit that they do have friends who have great relationships, want me to stay back and accept the whole issue? People that I know, and I am honoured from their friendship should, tell me something else with their attitude…why is that? When we talk in a political base, we agree that we CAN live together. But because of the laws and the governments we can not do that at the moment. So will you help me? Who should I believe? You or them?


Sorry for not copy-paste this time!!! :lol:
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Postby LENA » Sat May 26, 2007 7:38 am

bigOz wrote:Do you really teach Lena? I am not being sarcastic, I am genuinely interested to know - I always imagined you as a good teacher! :D


I am a teacher but I dont teach at the moment BigOZ! I am in the procedure of learning! Any other questions?
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Postby LENA » Sat May 26, 2007 7:40 am

bigOz wrote:
DT wrote:
bigOz wrote:I think "the proof is in the pudding" as the English say!

Since Kikapu had stopped posting, communications in this forum have dramatically improved, and are continuing in a very civilised manner - with no attempts to use abusive language by anyone! I hope it keeps that way... :)


shut the f**k up :lol:

I wish I could! Family and friends always tell me I talk too much! :oops: :lol:


I can see their point!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
But do you know what they say about quality and quantity?
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Postby LENA » Sat May 26, 2007 7:41 am

MicAtCyp wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote: Hello,my dear MicAtCyp...Delighted to see you posting again....
And great to see your Turkish is always improving...
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Grammatically you are right,it should be Turk'tur...But in Cypriot Turkish ts often pronounced as ds..hence Turkdur..."biraz hastaciktir" and "binicisi" is pure colloquial Cypriot Turkish...That's why karma above says she hasn't heard them...It is very effective language...My only regret is that MR has used it in a way that it has debased the language and himself,in one angry shot...Pity...really...



Hello dear Birkibrisli. The truth is I couldn’t log in here for ages… See I finally found a way to let you know I am OK as well, without having to send an e-mail. :lol: :wink:

Admitedly I find it difficult to understand the TC dialect, but not that difficult to sense the tone. I take your word that the writter just wrote it in a moment of hot temper, yet I believe an apology is due to the recepient of those accusations.


I agree!!! :evil:
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Postby LENA » Sat May 26, 2007 8:03 am

zan wrote:For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.


Zan, "gavur" I have been told that is the Greek, the Christians. But if you want to say Greek is "Yamanli" and Cypriot "Kibrisli". If a TC want to say GC say "Rum" and if a Turk want to say GC say "Yuman"And "Kafir" is someone who is not Muslim. Now can anybody tell me what Gavur really means?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 26, 2007 8:24 am

Bir although I understand where you are coming from I cannot but try and explain our side of the coin. Your surrender mentality is not acceptable to TCs who reside in the TRNC. You are what I was 15 years ago a dilluted TCs living with the love of his country wanting to return to an island where the political problems were solved and everyone lived in harmony. When I took the decision to move to the TRNC I started to wake up to the reality of the situation and how my people the Turkish Cypriots were having to find a balance between Turkey who is their only real ally and their desire for a solution.You must understand a very basic issue, that if asked, a very high percentage of TCs here on the island would rather be assimilated into Turks than GCs this is a fact of life and you and I cannot change this. The 63-74 period has left great scars on the TC people and the GC OXI was a heavy slap in the face of TCs and served as a reminder of the GC negativity towards TCs which people in the north can still remember and recall. For example my father in law still tells the story that two best friends a TC and GC ate and drunk together lived in the same village and their families were really close but the GC would always walk a few steps behind the TC, one day the TC said why do you do this walk next to me not behind me the GC turned around red faced and said you are such a good friend that the only way I can get back at you for being a TC is to step on your shadow. Im sure you can work out the moral of this story and why TCs always question anything GCs say or do.
Lets just go with your theory about the resounding GC OXI that it was not because GCs did not want to share anything with us but that it was a rejection of that particular plan. Isnt it down to the rejecting side to take positive measures to propel the process along explaining their concerns not only to us (before you say but Talat rejected this) but the world? What have they done over the past 3 years to to amend those areas in the plan which concern them? All we have seen is a policy of demonizing the AP to a point of next to no return. I am very interested to see in my life time what they will do if talks ever resume whether the UN will start from stratch. After so much effort I doubt they will and the GCs will have to lick up from the floor what they have spat out (A Turkish-Cypriot saying).

Living with the daily reality of the Cyprus problem here on the island has changed my view totally I have become a believer of partition and I do not hide this fact as I truly believe it is the best way forward for both sides. The GCs will get their TC free state and more land, the TCs will live without fear of being dominated or discriminated against by GCs and being reduced to a minority in their own country without any say in their own future. These are genuine fears and if nothing is done by those that just dismiss them they will continue to be obstacles towards creating a more flexible and accepting TC community.

The only way forward if you accept the principle that both communities are equals is to create a level playing field of 2 states where what you see fit for your own community/state you have to accept as a norm for the other state, with freedom of movement where TCs and GCs can decide for themselves where they wish to reside accepting the adminstration of that state. You may say once TCs have obtained their own state they will not unite but I say TCs are not stupid if they see and experience that living with GCs does not create them problems and that their fears and concerns have dissapeared due to a build up of trust and co-operation they will not oppose unification under a federal structure. I would be interested to hear from GCs and their aligned TCs compatriots what type of security they would need to accept such a move for creating a level playing field?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 26, 2007 8:53 am

Lena I appreciate your response but I cannot change my character as I feel it has served me well for the past 45 years. I am a patient man but I cannot promise that I will not return an insult in the future to someone who continoulsy attempts to take advantage of my patience and civlized responses. Please try to register the number of insults being hurled at me prior to my response which on this occassion upset you.
I will repeat I only insult someone when extremely provoked as I am human.

I am sorry to hear about your prombled past love life as you sound like a very nice person but the paralell I can draw is that you of all people should understand us TCs better than anyone. How will you enter another relationship? the scars of the past effect your viewpoint and couple this with the imposition of an ex-bf whom you had a very turbulent and draining relationship with.

People on a 121 basis are fine where ever you go in the world its when you ask someone who do you want to make decisions about your daily lives and your future when people say well Id really like to do it myself and not leave it to others. Like I do not want the Nigerians or Russians to rule me and take decision on my behalf I do not want the GCs to do this without safeguards to ensure that I to will influence my own future.
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