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[DT.]

Benim tahminim ya gavurdur yada turkdur ama biraz hastaciktir ve binicisi gavurdur.

First of all let me say hi to all old friends in here, Birkibrisli, Piratis, Cypezokyli, and of course to partitioncugum "Viewpoint".

I am a GC who knows some Turkish (Birkibrisli is in fact helping me -many thanks yurttasim / my compatriot)

Well the above comment drew my attention, as I find it kind of funny for TC people to accuse other TCs of making spelling errors in Turkish when they themselves are no better. It even makes it funnier when such arguments are used to question someones true identity. "Turkdur" above is wrong, it should have been turktur or even better Turk’ tur. Benin tahminim (my guess) seems also wrong cause there is no verb directly attributed to the guess itself. Bana gore/in my opinion should have been more appropriate here I think.

Senin tahminin nedir sevgili Birkibrisli? /What’s your opinion dear Birkibrisli? And what do you think of people who hide behind non English text to curse others with words like binicisi/his rider?

Hello,my dear MicAtCyp...Delighted to see you posting again....
And great to see your Turkish is always improving...

The quote above is very unfortunate,coming from Mrfromng....He is the only person of this forum I have met in real life,and I can assure you he is a most charming and delightful person...The arguments in this forum sometimes bring out the worse in us...and I imagine MR was very tired and emotional when he wrote that line...

As to the language used...This is Cypiot Turkish at its best...Very colourful, descriptive, and precise at the same time...Someone speaking modern Turkish spoken in Turkey would've said something like this:
"Benim tahminime gore Rum da olabilir Turk de olabilir,ama kucuk bir hastaligi vardir,hafiften ibnedir,ve onu yapan da Rumdur"...

Grammatically you are right,it should be Turk'tur...But in Cypriot Turkish ts often pronounced as ds..hence Turkdur..."biraz hastaciktir" and "binicisi" is pure colloquial Cypriot Turkish...That's why karma above says she hasn't heard them...It is very effective language...My only regret is that MR has used it in a way that it has debased the language and himself,in one angry shot...Pity...really...

how about someone translating for the rest of us?

Believe me it is best left untranslated,dear DT...That's why I treated it as a language question for my dear compatriot,Mic AtCyp...

okey dokey

[MicAtCyp]

Hello,my dear MicAtCyp...Delighted to see you posting again....
And great to see your Turkish is always improving...
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Grammatically you are right,it should be Turk'tur...But in Cypriot Turkish ts often pronounced as ds..hence Turkdur..."biraz hastaciktir" and "binicisi" is pure colloquial Cypriot Turkish...That's why karma above says she hasn't heard them...It is very effective language...My only regret is that MR has used it in a way that it has debased the language and himself,in one angry shot...Pity...really...

Hello dear Birkibrisli. The truth is I couldn’t log in here for ages… See I finally found a way to let you know I am OK as well, without having to send an e-mail.

Admitedly I find it difficult to understand the TC dialect, but not that difficult to sense the tone. I take your word that the writter just wrote it in a moment of hot temper, yet I believe an apology is due to the recepient of those accusations.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote

Yes my little Nazi Fascist friend along with your girlfriend Miss VP, on how much joy and salivation you two were exchanging over Bir's "resignation" from your sick ideology. Miss VP once again showed the true nature of herself with the venom running through her Mean Spirited and Hateful self. There's only one place for you Nazis, and that will come soon enough. No it is not the "TRNC", but close enough.!!!!

That one is coming from someone who claims to be living in Switzerland? Let me jog my memory now... The same place that provided sanctuary to many Nazi's, and more importantly salivated over the immoral tons of gold and loot deposited in their banks during/after the Second World War!

What can I say?...

Yes BO, Switzerland did store the Nazi gold during the WW2, and about 10 years ago, they also made a payment over a Billion US Dollars to the Jews. The Swiss remained Neutral for the last few hundred years, so for their own interest, they did not get in Germany's way, as if they could, anyway.

So what is your point with this silly question anyway. How does that relate to anything, what your little Nazi Fascist friends Zan and Miss VP said, regarding Birkibrisli. Are you trying to make some kind of an excuses for them. You sure are not condemning them, so I take it, that you support them.

Let me also remind you, that Turkey was fighting alongside Germany in WW1 and at best, not fighting the Nazis in WW2. Perhaps that's where Zan and Miss VP got their inspirations.

[Kikapu]

I think "the proof is in the pudding" as the English say!

Since Kikapu had stopped posting, communications in this forum have dramatically improved, and are continuing in a very civilised manner - with no attempts to use abusive language by anyone! I hope it keeps that way...

No such like BO, I have been busy, that's all.

It is you, who is not reading my posts to you.

Don't expect responses right away my friend, because some of us, have other commitments.

[Kikapu]

Benim tahminim ya gavurdur yada turkdur ama biraz hastaciktir ve binicisi gavurdur.

I chose to let this one past few days ago, but since you brought it up, I will make a comment or two.

Mrfromng from time to time, shows his, what I call "15th Century Mentality". He often throws words spoken mostly by the uneducated and simple people. Of course, it is also spoken by those who are more educated, but it is something that one grows up with. I have heard this kind of language and worse from family members as well as strangers. They have no problem at all, speaking this way in their own living room, with their children around, and the kids grow up, using the same words. These are the people who are not very "refined" and who are a little "rough" around the edges. They are not bad people , even though they intend to put others down as much as possible, without even knowing, they themselves bring their own self down, with such language. It is mrfromng's way to let off steam, and I usually do not say anything, because I just look at the source, that he is a Turkish Cypriot. I believe, the Turks from Turkey are much better, by not using such language in private or public. I have never heard such language all the times I've been to Turkey, unless of course my father happens to be there at the same time. I try to limit that, to once in a lifetime experience.

Even though I have heard such language and still hear that kind of language when I visit relatives or friends of relatives, I have never used them myself, because it just does not fit well with me. I just can't think in those words, at least not in Turkish. In English, I do not have a problem at all, as some of you may have noticed, and even then, only when someone deserves it. Also the fact I have spend most of my life living amongst not Turkish speaking people, may have saved me from these kinds of talking. But for the TC's, these words just flow out effortlessly.

It's our unique culture, that's all.

[Kikapu]

While we are on the subject of some peoples behaviour, this may also be a good time, to say a few words regarding some members.

I want to thank T_C for opening this thread. When I first saw it, I knew I could use it for a little experiment, as I do now and again. And to make things even more interesting, BigOz also walked into the Forum. I guess timing is everything.

From the beginning, I had asked the ADMIN to not to lock this tread, because it had potential for my little experiment. Just to make thing a little bit more interesting, I helped it to "inflame" it a little, by using some unfavourable words toward members, who were my main targets., I used words like, "Bastardised TRNC Cypriot", "Bastardised TRNC Propaganda Department" and so on. Called few people Nazis and Fascist, and sometimes deservedly.

What were my objections you may ask.???

I knew for a long time, that Zan and Miss VP, despite their denial, they hate anything Greek Cypriot. I know they tip-toe by saying, we don't hate the GC's, just the RoC as to what they are doing to the "TRNC". About the same time this tread opened, BigOz joined the forum, and I got attacked from all corners, with names and accusations. I was called a GC, the GC's are my brothers and sisters, that I was not a TC, that it was not possible for a TC to say such things towards his own kind. I must be a GC and on and on. BigOz even said, that I must be a son of a worst GC of a EOKA-B, or something like that. Then of course, our great friend mrfromng, who lacks sophistication at best of times, when it comes to choosing his words, in expressing himself.

I was never attacked as an TC for making my remarks towards the "TRNC". I as a TC was making these remarks, but the Fascist members could not accept, a TC could in his right mind, say anything, that was not favourable, towards the "TRNC", so I had to be a Greek Cypriot. Only a Greek Cypriot could say these. It had to be a Greek Cypriot and the RoC propaganda. The "report" I wrote regarding my trip to Cyprus, I do not think, I got anything positive from any TC's, except of course from a True Turkish Cypriot, Birkibrisli.

So the conclusion is, that the members I mentioned above, have no love for the Greek Cypriots, and I would go as far as saying, they hate the Greek Cypriots. It was easier to hate and say bad things if I was a Greek Cypriot, but not if I was a Turkish Cypriot. A TC is not able to tell the truth as he sees it by putting his "community down", so it must be a Greek Cypriot, who lies about the TC community. These Fascist do not believe in Freedom of Speech, or anything else really, that is exercised freely in any Democratically run country.

God save the people of the "TRNC" if it ever became an Independent State, from such Fascist people in Power.

[Viewpoint]

Hello,my dear MicAtCyp...Delighted to see you posting again....
And great to see your Turkish is always improving...
snip
Grammatically you are right,it should be Turk'tur...But in Cypriot Turkish ts often pronounced as ds..hence Turkdur..."biraz hastaciktir" and "binicisi" is pure colloquial Cypriot Turkish...That's why karma above says she hasn't heard them...It is very effective language...My only regret is that MR has used it in a way that it has debased the language and himself,in one angry shot...Pity...really...

Hello dear Birkibrisli. The truth is I couldn’t log in here for ages… See I finally found a way to let you know I am OK as well, without having to send an e-mail.

Admitedly I find it difficult to understand the TC dialect, but not that difficult to sense the tone. I take your word that the writter just wrote it in a moment of hot temper, yet I believe an apology is due to the recepient of those accusations.

Welcome back MicAtCyp, long time no see.....hope you are well.

As others have pointed out the above sentence is in local Turkish Cypriot dialect and very fitting for the person is was aimed at. You must not take it out of context and mrfromng was replying to someone who was hurling scarcastic, belitting and ignorant comments at people who happen to have a different opinion to hers about the Cyprus issue. What she lacks in class and understanding she makes up for with her good command of the English language to manipulate and twist what you say provoking an outburst...these are school boy bully tactics...even a saint will curse this individual after a certain time and thats exactly what this sentence represents. Imo it suits it receipient down to the groud, ağızına sağlık mrfromng cuk diye yerine oturdu, bravo.

[Kikapu]

Welcome back MicAtCyp, long time no see.....hope you are well.

As others have pointed out the above sentence is in local Turkish Cypriot dialect and very fitting for the person is was aimed at. You must not take it out of context and mrfromng was replying to someone who was hurling scarcastic, belitting and ignorant comments at people who happen to have a different opinion to hers about the Cyprus issue. What she lacks in class and understanding she makes up for with her good command of the English language to manipulate and twist what you say provoking an outburst...these are school boy bully tactics...even a saint will curse this individual after a certain time and thats exactly what this sentence represents. Imo it suits it receipient down to the groud, ağızına sağlık mrfromng cuk diye yerine oturdu, bravo.

My dearest Miss VP,

Did you noticed, that you follow my lead a lot of the times. I call you a "Miss and her", and you start the same. You really must lack imagination. That's fine, you can use anything that I create, but at least, make some kind of acknowledgment where you get your "second hand" inspirations from.

As far as mrfromng's comments goes, and the fact that you agree with him, just goes to show, that you're just "two peas in a pod", and that you are both from the 15th Century mentality. I bet you say those things in front of your children and wife and your TC guests, or do you just shout "cunt" all the time, since that's how you see women as. Is there anything more that could be added to your typical pathetic life in the Never Never Land.

You still haven't said, that you lied regarding the "cunt" usage.

Will you say, that you lied.

If you do, I'll drop it.

Promise.

[Kikapu]

My usage of the word Cunt was to label the person concerned what they were resembling during those debates, pretty much like you in this post, its a common expression used by the English when someone is being a real bastard and shouting his mouth off, being rude and annoying everyone..

Oh please, why cant you tell the truth once in a while. I know when the word "cunt" is used as swear word, and when used in a derogatory way, as you did.

Example 1. We were talking about "AMISTEL" beer and Pyro asked what "AM" was, as if he didn't know, and you translated as "Vagina, or Cunt".

Example 2. You said to me just couple of weeks ago " I thought you had a penis but you have a CUNT instead".

I can't remember the third example, but I could search for it, if you want me to, or you can tell us yourself.

Why is it so hard for you to admit your mistakes.??

Are you going to comment on the above Miss VP, or shall we just accept the fact, that you don't tell the truth.

[zan]

How old did you say you were Kikapyros. I cannot believe that you would go this far to embarrass your self. You made some strange assumptions in your story but this has got to be the best yet. You still have not come to terms with the fantastic cock up you made with the conclusion of your story about your fictitious cousins’ husband. I told you a couple of times that if you carry on with a lie it will soon become as clear as the nose on your face and still you carry on. No amount of cover up is going to change that mate so give it up for gods’ sake. I told DT that I could not watch "The Office" for a long time because I felt so embarrassed for the charactors and I am now feeling the same way about you.

A very clever man came on and asked you all why you were surprised that "Kikapus" adventures found that most of the GC people were actually nice people. None of you took a blind bit of notice of him and least of all you. You proved nothing in your story and you have proved nothing with this embarrassing charade. You admit that you used certain words to evoke certain reactions but then you ask every one to be surprised by the reactions that you knew you would evoke. What sort of a prat researcher are you to think that we would not see that. If there was ever an example of a fixed result, I think this would take the biscuit. Don’t eat it too quickly.

So from your results you deduced that we all hate GCs. If all GCs are like you portrayed them to be in this stupid experiment then yes we hate all GCs. We ALL know that not all GCs are like that and we have all said so at one point or another. What your experiment really shows is that we hate you. To be absolutely honest I think most GCs would hate you if they realised what you have just done. As a TC you have just dragged their name through the mud to prove that TCs hate them. I know what I would think if I were a GC but that is up to them.


No My friend. What you need to do is to just wind your little brain back a little bit and ask your self what we really are trying to say. What we are telling you is that we do not understand a man that says he is a TC but does every thing he can to run down his own race and even exaggerates and lies to do so. Why would a person go out of his way to make his own people look like the worst people on the planet. Why would you take everything that has happened to us and turn it upside down and not give us one single reason to behave the way we do. Do you honestly believe that we do not have one single right to ask, beg or even believe that we have certain rights that must be allowed for. I can understand a certain type of GC that would and in that case you would fall into that category and that is why you would be classed as one of them. You behave like a fascist GC so you are one.


You are pathetic my friend and such a lost soul that you will become very ill soon. You will have your breakdown because none of this makes any sense and when your anger and frustration comes to a finish you will have nothing to rely on.


I find it so so strange that those of you that class yourselves as true Cypriots seem to show the most hostility against your fellow Cypriots. This is the same mentality that Hitler had. In his mind he had to create a super race that filled his every dream. His dream turned into a nightmare because there is no super race but a diverse and fragile human race. You, Birkibrisli and Miltiades seem to think that you are the mould that we all should aspire to be poured into. You are not the super race friends but you ARE as deluded as Hitler was. Your nightmares will follow as sure as night follows day because you have given no allowances for just being human. Give me the Greek nationalists any day of the week. We know where they are coming from. You guys are the ones that attack from behind because you have persuaded yourselves that you are right and every one else is wrong. We still have our doubts as all normal human beings do. With your arrogance come the abuse and the lies and the deception that is necessary to fulfil your dream of a super race. Prepare the gas chamber my brothers because there will be many that do not fit the bill.





For those of you that are being pedantic about the words mrfomng used, "gavur" does not mean Greek but is used for people that have no faith to speak of.