Viewpoint wrote:Lets get beyond this as everyone calls everyone names why should I be any different? when attacked by the likes of Ms Kikapoulouis and miltiades should I just stay silent? would that be better for you? would that make you happier? I have tried this but the name calling continues and sometimes gets real nasty did you read the last days post from miltiades?? obviously not as I am sure you would have stepped in as you are doing with me. Shouldnt you treat everyone the same? I did not respond to miltiades foul mouthed post, if you are going to act as the forum police then I think you should go around and post what you said to me to other posters as well. Otherwise it looks like you are persecuting only the TCs which as you know is discrimination.
My dear VP lets try one more time, the post that make me angry with you was the post about his children and mentioning that I open the whole package. Anyway, I do not have the time to go around the forum and even some times threads that I am interested I do not read them all or do not comment on everything. You accuse me for discrimination? Then why you mention Miltiades only and not BigOz that he post a lot of insults and crap here? Is it because he is TC? VP, I came to you because I used to respect your views even if it was against mine. VP, I don’t think that you need compliments, I express my opinion about you many time, even when everybody accuse you for being government employee or female I stand for you, and I said many times that I loved to argue with you…because you knew how to talk and not bark. But now you give the opposite picture here with your words. Few days ago lots of members came against me, for a non-political reason, but even when they insult me I tried to stay calm and act properly. I used one F* word for my self and I apologies lots of time…imagine what you have to do with what you said. Really fall low, insult people, use their weapons doesn’t make you different from them. Do you want to act like that? Is your problem…but I am not going to respect you any more…I know that doesn’t sound as a big deal…but I am not going to send you in the corner for that. You are a big boy now!
So him thinking its an insult is ok with you? I m sure he finds those comments a compliment, he regards you as his brothers and sisters how can that be an insult. You are right he has his opinions which he airs quite freely and I have mine, you appear to have problems understanding that he is completely in line with the GC viewpoint and shows not signs none at all of TC viewpoint, he has been asked to argue just 1 point in favor of the TCs and he has been unsucessful so for many TCs he is more GC than TC, his heart beat for your community and your demands not mine.
VP, you really don’t want to understand. I am not saying that you don’t I am saying that you are not willing. You compare your self with others? So you want to be like Kikapu? You want to be like Miltiades? You want to be like Zan? You want to be like me? Do you have your own personality or you want to copy paste from others?
As for Kikapu not being able to give you one argument in favour of the TC…well is his opinion. Why that has to change. It is what he believes. If he wanted that to change well he was going to do something about it…he doesn’t. What is your problem? You know that I am GC, and I hope you don’t doubt about me as well, but I do have things against GC and I do have in favour of the TC…that makes me TC? Well I will be soon, my Turkish are getting better and better. So I will be Turkish speaking as well…so what is your point? That the language we speak divide our mind as well? If you speak Turkish you recognise the “TRNC” and you talk against Papadopoulo and if you are speak Greek you don’t want the Tukrs and you don’t recognise any “TRNC”??? VP, you missed my point. Before his trip you agreed with him to some things, after his trip you just can not stand of his existence. You are both such a babies…fighting over a lolly pop and calling each other silly…but you don’t actually see how silly you act.
If you were not biased you post would have been to both of us in equal amounts but you attack me 95% and Ms Kikapolousis 5%, is that a balanced unbiased post for you?
VP, I am sorry for yelling but I will say it one last time with capital letters and might be you will be able to read it again and get my point straight this time. YOU INSULT HIM INTO A PERSONAL LEVEL, YOU INSULT HIS CHILDREN. YOU WENT TOO FAR AWAY FROM POLITICAL LEVEL AND ARGUMENTS.
Got it now? I attack you, mostly because of what you said about his children. Clear or should I draw it for you next time?
There is a massive difference, we are in the fire you are not. I lived 30 years abroad and when I moved to the TRNC my whole perspective changed. In 2003 when the borders we opened and we interacted with the south my perspective changed, the run up and the referendum again changed my perspective. People that live abroad are in cuckoo land they do not live the reality, you are text book people who are trying to tell us what to do with our future irrelevent of the fact that you could be pushing us into great danger you try to force your ideas and then you tell us how stupid we are. Well it dont work that way the locals are far more important as it is them that will have their world turned upside down and not those that live thousands of miles away.
We really have an issue here. You don’t get my point. One more time, let me repeat my self. I am not saying that you are totally wrong…but…we have a Cypriot saying which say “apo ‘nai ap’exw tou xorou polla tragoudia xerei” =who is out of the dance he knows lots of songs….meaning that who doesn’t live the situation can say lots of things, but he doesn’t really being affected by the whole situation. I agree that living in Cyprus is different, I know, I said that as well, I saw it from my own experience. I used to hate Turkish songs Turkish language and anything Turkish because it was Turkish…now I even enjoy them very much and actually I am listening Turkish songs that a friend sends me earlier this afternoon and I a learning Turkish as well. My point VP is that people who live away are calmer, are not here and they can see things as one and not as 2, they can see the Cyprus Problem as one and not as two, as Papadopoulos present it and as Talat present it. We need those people. We need people like Kikapu who live in a country that people with different languages, different religion, and different backgrounds can live together in harmony. Can you see now my point? And Kikapu is only one of the examples, Bir, Zan, Miltiades etc are also some of those examples.
You are being very one sided, you have pulled me up and we are posting here about my insults, then you shoudl also have the same posts with miltiades and Ms Kikapolusis. My insults which are mild in comparision to others are always reactionary to provokation, do you understand what I am saying?
To be honest I used to believe that you knew how to talk and not bark and insult. I am sorry that I comment that you are loosing respect from people who used to respect you. And then you wonder why people call you names …even if they didn’t like you at first place imagine now…
And I don’t comment to every single post VP…I don’t argue with BigOz on a political subject because I will be forced to insult him back and I am not going to achieve anything…so I keep my opinion for him for my self…and we are all happy. (Sorry BigOz for that comment…but I am honest)
I have to remind you of the following about TC mentality, give a TC the time of day he will open his home to you, you slap a TC and he will kick your head in. Can you work out what I have just said? If so how do you think you should deal with TCs?
Do you think its wise to slap them?
VP, are you saying that because you are a TC I have to tell you evet efendim? ???Are you serious? That is general, if you are willing ti listen they will explain, if you are willing to hear you will understand, listening doesn’t force you to accept what others tell you, insulting people is not the way to be heart. In our religion we learn that if people slap you turn the other cheek as well. Well, let me tell you that almost none do that. Is not a part of Christians or Greeks or TC is part of being human. We have blood and when somebody insult you…that upset you and you want to kill him/her or slap him/her, insult him/her back etc. Do you think is wise to slap them? I am making the same question to you. Is it wise VP? I am not superior of anybody else here…but if someone treat me low, talk to me low…I am not going to fall to his/her level and do the same. Anliyor musun? Do you understand? Me katalamvaineis? ???
I only respect those that respect me Lena, why is that I do not insult you? you do not provoke and you do not use any language that would make me respond in a sever way.
The bastard terminology was not raised by me, but it was a slap so as a true TC I gave the necessary response, so maybe you should have approached the originator of the slap and not the person who fought back.
Thank God VP that I met better Turkish Cypriot who are not like that. I don’t insult people but I know that even if I did they was so nice that they was going to ignore me than isult me with a worst way. But VP you I ma afraid that I waste my time here…you really don’t get my point I am so sorry about that. Sorry that you change. You are forcing us to keep distance here…you are saying that TC are revengeful people and that if you do anything or say anything against them they will revenge you with worst way. Is that what you are telling me?
No I do not hate any one individual, only the "RoC" for what they are trying to do to the TCs and the TRNC.
Do I have to like you all? I dont like all TCs and I dont hate them, what are you trying to say?
Unfortunately, you said so many time that GC, simple people like me, we have to stay away from north, we don’t own that area, we don’t have any right on that land, we are strangers for every TC and for the north part of the island.
What you say in one min you came the next min and say something different….look what you said after your statement that you don’t generalise people and you don’t put them under categories. Those are TC we like them those are GC we hate them…you said that you can nt like every single human being …but here you say that GC are strangers who live close to you…you don’t have any affection towards them, you don’t have common things, you don’t share anything…
Correct, GCs to me are just like Italians or Spanish maybe a little closer as we are neighbours.
Just neighbours for you. So are your feelings the same for your neighbours in the other side? The Turks? Do you treat them, talk to them, insult them the way you do with the GC? Or do you feel them a bit more close to you like family? ? ?
I view the GCs as my neighbours who have every right to be on this island just like I do, they have the right to live in their own country and rule themselves but they do not want this for me, they do everythign in their power to stop my progress. They say they want to unite but reject a structure put forward by the UN and still try to stop me from progressing. I do not want to live under a GC administration as GCs do not want to live under a TC administration so the only way forward for me a level playing field where we have 2 states all Cypriots can live where they wish under the admin of their chosen state, if the 2 states decide to unite after trust has been built up then a referendum of GCs and TCs should take place to decide this maybe 5 10 years down the line.
I only insult people if I am insulted or provoked first. Feel free to provide and example where I insulted someone without reason and I will have no problem apologising.
Again I do not hate anyone.
VP, did you ever thought that you are asking too many things? You want the eggs and the basket as we say in Cyprus. You want the north part for you, you want EU recognition, you don’t want embargos, you want to leave in peace, you want progress, you want Papadopoulo away, you want unification after the recognition, you want the sky with the stars…let me tell you another saying…dwse sxoini ston xwriati na s’anevei sto krevati. = give to the villager rope to lift up him self in your bed. That means that we say ok to some things and then you try to get more…and more and more. VP, put your self in our position. Really do that and then come back. I am not saying that you didn’t suffer etc, you didn’t lose property etc…but we say that TC should get fair share …according to numbers and according to what you had before etc…and you say no…we want more than that…It is like saying to GC to take less…but for you is fair to get more and the GC less than get a fair share. You say you want to unite after the recognition. Are we serious here? You will have your own government recognised and then you will come back and say no guys I love you so much that I want the same government with you even if it will be a bit unfair to us…since you respect me I am happy…VP…please!!! Do you want to talk serious or mess around? I am better with messing around…just let me know what kind of game you prefer.
