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[zan]

Zan I was'nt looking at your posting when I posted my comments

All I was saying was that when we quote sources from the Internet then we should be careful of the reliabilty of the source.

Regards

richard

I appreciate that mate. We can still take out the sentiment and be aware of the content.

[askimwos]

The fact that the article states that the content is simply the opinion of the author and not even the Bow group says enough about whether is biased or unbiased.

I do not dispute a number of dates that are included in the article. However, the article is so much one sided that it automaticly loses its credibility. I will not speak about half truths and lies in the article, hoewever I will point just some things that the article on purpose ommit and extract their own conclusions:

a. the actions of TMT
b. the killings of GCs by TC extremists during the period 1963-67
c. the real reasons why Junta executed the 15 July coup
d. The attrocities of the Turkish army during the invation
e. the human rights of the GC refugees
f. Denktash policies during the negotiations
g. the dismissal of the fact that TCs being 18% and controling 36% of the territory
h. the selective use of UN resolutions. Not a single of the numerous ones calling the occupation illegal and calling for the removal of Turkish troops from the island is quoted.
i. and finally the fact that even level headed TCs would observe that the article is pure propaganda.

I am a GC and if I saw an article that purely dismissed any wrongdoings from the GC side, I wouldn't bother reading the whole thing, let alone post it here and label it an independent source.

[zan]

The fact that the article states that the content is simply the opinion of the author and not even the Bow group says enough about whether is biased or unbiased.

I do not dispute a number of dates that are included in the article. However, the article is so much one sided that it automaticly loses its credibility. I will not speak about half truths and lies in the article, hoewever I will point just some things that the article on purpose ommit and extract their own conclusions:

a. the actions of TMT
b. the killings of GCs by TC extremists during the period 1963-67
c. the real reasons why Junta executed the 15 July coup
d. The attrocities of the Turkish army during the invation
e. the human rights of the GC refugees
f. Denktash policies during the negotiations
g. the dismissal of the fact that TCs being 18% and controling 36% of the territory
h. the selective use of UN resolutions. Not a single of the numerous ones calling the occupation illegal and calling for the removal of Turkish troops from the island is quoted.
i. and finally the fact that even level headed TCs would observe that the article is pure propaganda.

I am a GC and if I saw an article that purely dismissed any wrongdoings from the GC side, I wouldn't bother reading the whole thing, let alone post it here and label it an independent source.

I am sorry but it does not discredit the article one little bit. The reader can take out the biased views very easily but the content is ver valid and apt. The points you make on the rest are valid but some points are illegal and in that case irrelevant.

[Piratis]

That article is a pure Turkish propaganda crap.

I contains all the usual ingredients: lies (e.g. that TCs had a separate self-determination right and that partition was a valid option), gross exaggerations and half truths. It uses all three propaganda ways in an effort to present the victim as the aggressor and the aggressor as the victim.

[zan]

That article is a pure Turkish propaganda crap.

I contains all the usual ingredients: lies (e.g. that TCs had a separate self-determination right and that partition was a valid option), gross exaggerations and half truths. It uses all three propaganda ways in an effort to present the victim as the aggressor and the aggressor as the victim.

Who says so...You? The events are there and my family and I lived through every single one of them. We have had your propaganda torturing us ever since and now that we have woken up and can fight back you have nothing to say to cover your lies except spreading doubt over the source of he article. You have not disproved a single event on that article but you still try to claim a victory. We have every right to fight against our murderers and act we will. The UN and the EU will have to eat their words as well.

[Piratis]

Look in my previous post. I clearly give an example of a lie written in this article. Do you think you can just copy paste some huge crappy propaganda article and then we will have to go over it point by point and waste our time?

So lets start from the top. Show to me a UN or other official document that gives to TCs a separate self-determination right. Or admit this is a lie, and then I will point to you the next one.

[zan]

Look in my previous post. I clearly give an example of a lie written in this article. Do you think you can just copy paste some huge crappy propaganda article and then we will have to go over it point by point and waste our time?

So lets start from the top. Show to me a UN or other official document that gives to TCs a separate self-determination right. Or admit this is a lie, and then I will point to you the next one.

What I think you need to do is go back and read what the article said on that matter because it has stuck in your teeth and you really do not understand what it meant by that statement. Come back to me when you have understood it. I have to go to work now so be sure to PM me with your post because I am still having trouble with the icons lighting up to inform me of what I have missed. I would not want to miss your extensive answer to what you think after understanding what it meant. I will also tell you that I will not fall into your little trap of getting stuck on a point that takes away from all the other dates and atrocities that have been pointed out on that article so you can give that game up. That article with all the dates provided has proven hat you guys have been lying all along and we have known it all along. You now squirm in your seats and try to divert attention as to its credibility and mine also. Keep trying young man. The bakeries have not got enough bread to make you grow that much as to distort history. We have every right to be where we are and what we are. You have lost your right to ride over us with your numbers.

[Piratis]

So I guess that means that you can not provide any evidence that support the lie that TCs have a right for a separate self-determination?

[zan]

So I guess that means that you can not provide any evidence that support the lie that TCs have a right for a separate self-determination?

I have told you before thick head that you did not understand the article and have got a bee in your pretty little bonnet about it. Just the same as in the attack of the two villages. If you need a lesson every time that something is written then that’s your problem and not mine. Go back and read and this time try to understand then you can come back and stop crying about it.


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