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[zan]

You seem confused TC, Keith Speed is not a Turkish Cypriot, the clue is in his name. Keith Speed claimed to champion the TC cause, he was chairman of The Friends of Northern Cyprus. He did NOT say to me he wanted the Cyprus problem solved because it would benefit Cypriots he said he wanted it sorted so that HE would benefit. For your information I would like the Cyprus problem solved. Actually I think it was quite a good attempt at discrediting a hypocrite!

So we now know the man as far as your claims go....What about the facts.Care to challenge the facts....??

[Jerry]

Your post doesn't make sense to me Zan, kindly expand. If you are questioning what I wrote in my last post everything is a true fact except the last sentance - that was an opinion.

[miltiades]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

I will also admit to the terrible wrong doings of those Turkish Cypriots who instead of fighting to defend themselves started fighting for Taksim. I completely disagree with fighting ENOSIS with Taksim since it's a betrayel to Cyprus.

Apologies for everything you have also suffered during the past 40 years because of the shit we are in. Most of us don't deny this DT but reading some things that the RoC comes out with for the sake of appearing "innocent" is like rubbing shit on our faces and doesn't do good in persuading us to unite. But I understand the same also applies to you...with the selling of your properties and everything else done by the TRNC government.

If for one minute we would stop to think "outside the box" we would realise that we are fighting all this time for the same thing, the one thing we will never give up on and thats OUR country!!!

We have a lot in common yet we are blinded by conflict...

Yes TC we have a lot in common , we are all Cypriots. Yes the G/Cs commited atrocities , some of my T/C friends tell me about them . The ROC ought to admit that the fanatics who caused mayhem in our country were wrong , they were not heroes but fascist thugs.
On the other site , also atrocities were committed , and even today , some 100 or so churches are vandalised , turned into casinos , mosques , warehouses , an affront to all Cypriots not only the worshippers but also equally insulting to all those who respect the others right to worship .
It is up to us , the children of Cyprus , to stop spreading hatred and begin to preach reconciliation and respect for each other. The Vps , and the Zans epitomise what those fanatics of the 60s were . Piratis does not preach hatred , have followed his posts and he is consistent , he abhors illegalities , after all the entire world agrees on that point. How can you support a regime that sells my ancestral home to foreign developers not caring whether it is morally reprehensible or not.
On the whole I think this is your finest post.

[Viewpoint]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

I will also admit to the terrible wrong doings of those Turkish Cypriots who instead of fighting to defend themselves started fighting for Taksim. I completely disagree with fighting ENOSIS with Taksim since it's a betrayel to Cyprus.

Apologies for everything you have also suffered during the past 40 years because of the shit we are in. Most of us don't deny this DT but reading some things that the RoC comes out with for the sake of appearing "innocent" is like rubbing shit on our faces and doesn't do good in persuading us to unite. But I understand the same also applies to you...with the selling of your properties and everything else done by the TRNC government.

If for one minute we would stop to think "outside the box" we would realise that we are fighting all this time for the same thing, the one thing we will never give up on and thats OUR country!!!

We have a lot in common yet we are blinded by conflict...

Yes TC we have a lot in common , we are all Cypriots. Yes the G/Cs commited atrocities , some of my T/C friends tell me about them . The ROC ought to admit that the fanatics who caused mayhem in our country were wrong , they were not heroes but fascist thugs.
On the other site , also atrocities were committed , and even today , some 100 or so churches are vandalised , turned into casinos , mosques , warehouses , an affront to all Cypriots not only the worshippers but also equally insulting to all those who respect the others right to worship .
It is up to us , the children of Cyprus , to stop spreading hatred and begin to preach reconciliation and respect for each other. The Vps , and the Zans epitomise what those fanatics of the 60s were . Piratis does not preach hatred , have followed his posts and he is consistent , he abhors illegalities , after all the entire world agrees on that point. How can you support a regime that sells my ancestral home to foreign developers not caring whether it is morally reprehensible or not.
On the whole I think this is your finest post.

You still dont get it, you acnowledge the wrongs of the past but dont realize that the zan and I are asking for safe guards that will ensure that past will not happen ever again. The unificaiton structure and GC mentality even in 2007 tells us that they have not changed and that this route would put us into great danger. The last 33 years are proof that peace can come via division. All we want are safe guards, for me division is the ultimate safeguard but I am willing to consider BBF eg AP which GCs a re resoundingly against. Now are you any wiser? or do you want to push me towards that first bomb? while you reside in the UK.

[DT.]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

I will also admit to the terrible wrong doings of those Turkish Cypriots who instead of fighting to defend themselves started fighting for Taksim. I completely disagree with fighting ENOSIS with Taksim since it's a betrayel to Cyprus.

Apologies for everything you have also suffered during the past 40 years because of the shit we are in. Most of us don't deny this DT but reading some things that the RoC comes out with for the sake of appearing "innocent" is like rubbing shit on our faces and doesn't do good in persuading us to unite. But I understand the same also applies to you...with the selling of your properties and everything else done by the TRNC government.

If for one minute we would stop to think "outside the box" we would realise that we are fighting all this time for the same thing, the one thing we will never give up on and thats OUR country!!!

We have a lot in common yet we are blinded by conflict...

Yes TC we have a lot in common , we are all Cypriots. Yes the G/Cs commited atrocities , some of my T/C friends tell me about them . The ROC ought to admit that the fanatics who caused mayhem in our country were wrong , they were not heroes but fascist thugs.
On the other site , also atrocities were committed , and even today , some 100 or so churches are vandalised , turned into casinos , mosques , warehouses , an affront to all Cypriots not only the worshippers but also equally insulting to all those who respect the others right to worship .
It is up to us , the children of Cyprus , to stop spreading hatred and begin to preach reconciliation and respect for each other. The Vps , and the Zans epitomise what those fanatics of the 60s were . Piratis does not preach hatred , have followed his posts and he is consistent , he abhors illegalities , after all the entire world agrees on that point. How can you support a regime that sells my ancestral home to foreign developers not caring whether it is morally reprehensible or not.
On the whole I think this is your finest post.

You still dont get it, you acnowledge the wrongs of the past but dont realize that the zan and I are asking for safe guards that will ensure that past will not happen ever again. The unificaiton structure and GC mentality even in 2007 tells us that they have not changed and that this route would put us into great danger. The last 33 years are proof that peace can come via division. All we want are safe guards, for me division is the ultimate safeguard but I am willing to consider BBF eg AP which GCs a re resoundingly against. Now are you any wiser? or do you want to push me towards that first bomb? while you reside in the UK.

Surely by asking for your safeguards you must understand that we need our safeguards as well. If you do then why do you blame the GC's for rejecting the plan when there were no safeguards that Turkey would not find another excuse in the future to invade and occupy our lands again. GC's aren't Lemmings you know who enjoy re-building their lives from scratch only to have to start all over again when it gets taken away again.

It might be that we have disagreement over the religious holidays and the governement decides to celebrate 2 extra religious holidays. What if Turkey gets offended by this non-secular action and invades to restore constitutional secural order. The Turkish army can intervene against its own government for this matter what makes you think it will think twice before it intervenes with a puny federal cypriot govt?

[DT.]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

I will also admit to the terrible wrong doings of those Turkish Cypriots who instead of fighting to defend themselves started fighting for Taksim. I completely disagree with fighting ENOSIS with Taksim since it's a betrayel to Cyprus.

Apologies for everything you have also suffered during the past 40 years because of the shit we are in. Most of us don't deny this DT but reading some things that the RoC comes out with for the sake of appearing "innocent" is like rubbing shit on our faces and doesn't do good in persuading us to unite. But I understand the same also applies to you...with the selling of your properties and everything else done by the TRNC government.

If for one minute we would stop to think "outside the box" we would realise that we are fighting all this time for the same thing, the one thing we will never give up on and thats OUR country!!!

We have a lot in common yet we are blinded by conflict...

very true Turkish Cypriot...as you can see from my rpevious post...fear and suspicion is something well embedded in both the communities

[T_C]

Yes TC we have a lot in common , we are all Cypriots. Yes the G/Cs commited atrocities , some of my T/C friends tell me about them . The ROC ought to admit that the fanatics who caused mayhem in our country were wrong , they were not heroes but fascist thugs.
On the other site , also atrocities were committed , and even today , some 100 or so churches are vandalised , turned into casinos , mosques , warehouses , an affront to all Cypriots not only the worshippers but also equally insulting to all those who respect the others right to worship .
It is up to us , the children of Cyprus , to stop spreading hatred and begin to preach reconciliation and respect for each other. The Vps , and the Zans epitomise what those fanatics of the 60s were . Piratis does not preach hatred , have followed his posts and he is consistent , he abhors illegalities , after all the entire world agrees on that point. How can you support a regime that sells my ancestral home to foreign developers not caring whether it is morally reprehensible or not.
On the whole I think this is your finest post.

Miltiades while I agree with most of what you said there is a few things I don't agree with.

Piratis is the worst kind of propagandist in here.

Propagandist;

The systematic propagation of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a cause. Basically to drown you with information so that you tend to believe them more than not believe them.

Now you try and tell me how Piratis is different from the above description...That fit's Piratis more than it does zan OR VP.

He doesn't give a shit about Turkish Cypriots anyways! He has lied in order to squirm his way out of telling the truth on MANY occasions. Maybe the reason you don't think he's a propagandist is because he's fighting the same cause as you but Piratis is here to PUSH the GC side of the story and not to resolve anything. He's here to make the TCs look as bad as possible and GCs as the victims. I'm suprised so many people are playing stupid in this forum...

What you don't realise is that just how VP and zan piss you off there are a lot of GCs who are doing the same to the TCs in exactly the same way!

When Piratis talks about Turkish people raping women and all that, you guy's keep quiet but soon as VP and zan open their mouths to talk about the GC crimes you're all quick to jump up cry about "propaganda"...it's a TRAVESTY Miltiades and I'm not just going to keep quiet when people are too narrow minded to see what's going on.

[zan]

It has been a one sided argument from the very first day I came across this forum T_C. The racist remarks that were flying around a mainly Greek forum was what brought me on to it. There were people patting them selves on the back and using all the terms that have been imbedded in these peoples minds like "Barbarian", and it was obvious that they had never heard the other side of the story. I like to think that some of them have now been educated in that respect but some have chosen to fight against it because their intention, in the first place, was to make us look like the aggressors and to cover up their side in this whole affair. Some continue to go about as if they have heard nothing.

[Nikephoros]

Can you first lift the embargoes etc so we can do just that?

That would be great. Thanks

You mean after invading the Cyprus Republic by proxy using the Turkish army... you miscreant humans known to me as "Turkish Cypriots" expect the embargo lifted? The embargo is one of the only things that Turkish Cypriots and Turkey did not get away with in Cyprus.

Keep waiting. Maybe you should ask yourself why the market of 65-70 million known as "Turkiye" cannot provide for Turkish illegal occupiers in the North and their shrinking refugee pets known as "Turkish Cypriot minority". It is not anyone's fault the muslim world is so economically incompetent. A small rogue state like the TRNC should have enough of a market in Turkey. The only reason you have economic problems is because Turks are responsible for the economy in the rogue Turkey and TRNC.

[T_C]

Can you first lift the embargoes etc so we can do just that?

That would be great. Thanks

You mean after invading the Cyprus Republic by proxy using the Turkish army... you miscreant humans known to me as "Turkish Cypriots" expect the embargo lifted? The embargo is one of the only things that Turkish Cypriots and Turkey did not get away with in Cyprus.

Keep waiting. Maybe you should ask yourself why the market of 65-70 million known as "Turkiye" cannot provide for Turkish illegal occupiers in the North and their shrinking refugee pets known as "Turkish Cypriot minority". It is not anyone's fault the muslim world is so economically incompetent. A small rogue state like the TRNC should have enough of a market in Turkey. The only reason you have economic problems is because Turks are responsible for the economy in the rogue Turkey and TRNC.

Yes Nıkıphoros....The TCs pretended they were Greeks infiltrated the Junta and tried to overthrow Makarios....it was all made up...the Greeks were ABSOLUTELY INNOCENT!!!

Great now we have that all cleared up, can you please just go away now???