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[DT.]

So, from what you guys are saying, it looks like there will be no land returned and most probably no compensation. The TCs also want to be recognised as a seperate legal government and want all economic sanctions removed. To me it looks like something is out of balance. I personaly have nothing to loose and from what I see the last 33 years have been the most trouble free years cyprus has seen. The 200,000 refugees probably won't agree with me though. If I was in their place I would also probably try and make things as difficult as possible for the TCs.

The only thing out of balance here is your blind thoughts kafenes! First of all you talk about probabilities when they are not true. I hjave no data but I am sure compensation was one of the alternatives - I'll find out for you (yet ) seeing you are so Google illetrate!

- The South has been enjoying all the international financial rewards by holding the government for the past 44 years!

- They have been and are making things difficult for the TCs for 44 years.

- Screw the 200,000 refugees - relatives of all the dead women, children buried in mass graves will agree with me that they rather starve than live under Greek rule.

TCs do not trust GCs and will never ever wish to live in an area dominated by a Greek majority - not at the moment anyway. Which part of that do you find hard to understand? The economy of TRNC is no financial burden on Turkey's wealth. They have been supporting it for the past 44 years, in return the least they are entitled to is keep a strong army in TRNC.

If you can see the corellation there, you might even understand why it is important for the TC North to catch up with South, and not depend on Turkey economically. So, any economic sanction favoured by the illitrate in the South will only increase North's dependance on Turkey, and a continual (favoured) presence of Turkish army.

You did not get anywhere in 44 years with economic sanctions, and the whole world is starting to see the other side of the coin. Carry on with your magic ideas and see how far it will get you...

there you go....what many extremist TC's have been dying to say for a long time and it only takes this poor retard to have the honesty to say it.

Screw the 200,000 refugees, so what if we took their homes and their land. DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

[T_C]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

[zan]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

[T_C]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

Oh yeah!

[DT.]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

[T_C]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

I will also admit to the terrible wrong doings of those Turkish Cypriots who instead of fighting to defend themselves started fighting for Taksim. I completely disagree with fighting ENOSIS with Taksim since it's a betrayel to Cyprus.

Apologies for everything you have also suffered during the past 40 years because of the shit we are in. Most of us don't deny this DT but reading some things that the RoC comes out with for the sake of appearing "innocent" is like rubbing shit on our faces and doesn't do good in persuading us to unite. But I understand the same also applies to you...with the selling of your properties and everything else done by the TRNC government.

If for one minute we would stop to think "outside the box" we would realise that we are fighting all this time for the same thing, the one thing we will never give up on and thats OUR country!!!

We have a lot in common yet we are blinded by conflict...

[zan]

DO we not live in the 21st century? Can we not take anything we like with a gun and say f~~~ you?

I don't agree with what bigOz said there, but GC's are no strangers to guns and saying FU to people either really, are they...

If every GC must be compensated for their suffering in the last 40 years then the same MUST apply to the TCs.

They have to accept that they have done something wrong first T_C.

first to hold my hands up and admit to the terrible wrong doings the GC's have done in the 60's to the TC's. We made a huge amount of mistakes as a community.

I would like to hear the other side admit to the horrors done to the GC's as well every now and then though.

Done it many a time DT but as soon as the dust settles we go back to the demands of giving everything up and going back to the "RoC". Sorry means a lot of things but it does not mean that things can automatically go back to a point that existed before. What we are saying is that we have suffered with the embargoes for our sins while the "RoC" has prospered.

[Jerry]

I undersatand your pain Kafenes, but you must be one of the dumbest person I've met on this forum. Do not worry about typo errors, I help English colleagues with their spelling at this end. It's showing you hurt!

Let me educate you a little more since you chose tpo become ignorant of the facts when it suits you:

If you told someone something is probable, it is not true that it will definitely happen - it just means there is a likelyhood that it may happen and nothing more! BTW I have not fallen down and hurt myself for almost 35 years now

You say you Googled and came accross nothing with regards to information about compensation here is a clue for you - try and google this one:

UK PARLIAMENT: a briefing note published by a group of 131 Members of both Houses of Parliament and of all political parties (Chairman : Keith Speed, RD MP Conservative; Vice-Chairmen : Lord Willis, Labour, Andrew Faulds MP Labour; Treasurer : Peter Fry MP Conservative; Secretaries : Stephan Day MP Conservative, John D. Taylor MP UUP). London May 1992.

Greek Cypriots say it is an injustice that Turkish Cypriots occupy 36.2% of the land area of the island although they are only about 20% of the population. However, there are four answers to this:

First, there is no country in which each ethnic group occupies such proportion of the land area as their numbers bear to the total population. The Greek Cypriots did not regard the equitable distribution of territory as important between 1963 and 1974, when they forced the entire Turkish Cypriot population, most of whom were dependent on agriculture, to live in enclaves amounting in total to less than 3% of the land.

In Cyprus, Turks and Turkish Cypriots owned most of the land under Ottoman rule, but Greek Cypriots were allowed to purchase land as free citizens, and by the time of independence in 1960 Turkish Cypriot holdings had reduced to about 30% of the land. Throughout the 1950's and 1960's Greek Cypriots were encouraged to buy land from Turkish Cypriots, but Greek Cypriots who contracted to sell land to Turkish Cypriots were treated as traitors by EOKA and dealt with accordingly.

Second, the area in which the Turkish Cypriots live is close to the minimum necessary to establish a defensible position and to ensure reasonable economic viability. The Turkish Cypriots did not wish to live in a divided island, and are well aware of the benefits of a larger economy, but trust and confidence having been destroyed, it is impossible to go back to the status quo ante.

Third, the Turkish Cypriots have, by accepting the UN draft framework agreement, agreed to negotiate territorial adjustments.

Fourth, [b]the Turkish Cypriots have accepted that as part of an overall settlement there will be an exchange and valuation process, and compensation will be made in property and/or money to those on both sides who have lost their property.[b]

As for medical or other care you think you give free out of kindness you'll find they are well catred for by EU aid and handouts that cover TCs as well!

If you believe allowing TCs catch up economically with the rest of the Cyprus is "falling into a trap", you are a bigger fool that I thought! I just hope everyone else feels the same as you do - with the Greeks refusing to allow it, it is only a matter of time before full trade with many countries using TRNC airports and sea-ports start. All we need is 5-6 trading partners and everyone will be living a life of luxury. Just in case you have not noticed, current oil rich, Turkic speaking nations number more than that alone.

We are not complaining either...And who are the nations that envy you? If Eurovision is something to go by - not many I would think!

If you are going to quote a UK Parliamentary source bigOz you could be honest about it and point out that these MPs are in fact THE FRIENDS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS. Keith Speed was my local MP and when I challenged him about the Cyprus problem his response was "I hope they sort it out soon, it will mean the value of my house will increase" (or words to that effect). As for their claim that the TCs owned 30% of the land at independence, that's a load of bollocks. According to the British administration, based on two censuses in 1946 and 1960, Turkish Cypriots owned land in Cyprus Districts as follows:- Kyrenia 13%, Famagusta 16.2%, Larnaca 23.3%, Nicosia 16.1%, Paphos 21.1%, Limassol 12.3%.

[T_C]

If you are going to quote a UK Parliamentary source bigOz you could be honest about it and point out that these MPs are in fact THE FRIENDS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS. Keith Speed was my local MP and when I challenged him about the Cyprus problem his response was "I hope they sort it out soon, it will mean the value of my house will increase" (or words to that effect).

And him hoping they sort it out soon is bad because????

That was a pathetic attemp at discrediting mate...I'm starting to wonder if theres any real GCs (other than Lena) in here or are they all just here trying to discredit TCs?

[Jerry]

You seem confused TC, Keith Speed is not a Turkish Cypriot, the clue is in his name. Keith Speed claimed to champion the TC cause, he was chairman of The Friends of Northern Cyprus. He did NOT say to me he wanted the Cyprus problem solved because it would benefit Cypriots he said he wanted it sorted so that HE would benefit. For your information I would like the Cyprus problem solved. Actually I think it was quite a good attempt at discrediting a hypocrite!