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EOKA demonstrated the same brutality as they had employed against British soldiers and their families from 1955-1960. The intention was completely to Hellenise Cyprus and to declare ENOSIS.


And where was the problem ? An occupied population was fighting for their freedom - but what You can understand - have you ever made a war for freedom in your history? not .-only invasions and invasions and then defending your wins from the invasions- you never had a homeland to defend for therefore is usuless for us to make you to understand what EOKA did during 1955-1960. Your race, as always, even you are today declaring yourselves as Cypriots, you just cooperated as you are doing today with the occupation Army. Like then with British like before (1st war) with Germans) like today with Turks- Are you Cypriots? No you are not because you do not behave as such. You behave like Turks, cooperating always with the party you thing will be the winner ,but this time you made your big mistake. You trusted people like you, without honesty and feeling of homeland- You are and you will be always the loosers (in personal basis)

Do you know something? I am working 25 years very hard, I am in a good position- the real reason for which I work so hard to have a good life is not my family or something else is just to not allow your troops which took all my family's property to succeed to make me live worst than them. This is the way , we the Greeks, are thinking and this is the reason that, despite all you stolen from us we still living much better than you- May be you can not understand because you are not a Greek.- Maybe in 1955 you made a wrong decision to cooperate with British instead to defend your , as you call it today, country.

[zan]

EOKA demonstrated the same brutality as they had employed against British soldiers and their families from 1955-1960. The intention was completely to Hellenise Cyprus and to declare ENOSIS.


And where was the problem ? An occupied population was fighting for their freedom - but what You can understand - have you ever made a war for freedom in your history? not .-only invasions and invasions and then defending your wins from the invasions- you never had a homeland to defend for therefore is usuless for us to make you to understand what EOKA did during 1955-1960. Your race, as always, even you are today declaring yourselves as Cypriots, you just cooperated as you are doing today with the occupation Army. Like then with British like before (1st war) with Germans) like today with Turks- Are you Cypriots? No you are not because you do not behave as such. You behave like Turks, cooperating always with the party you thing will be the winner ,but this time you made your big mistake. You trusted people like you, without honesty and feeling of homeland- You are and you will be always the loosers (in personal basis)

Do you know something? I am working 25 years very hard, I am in a good position- the real reason for which I work so hard to have a good life is not my family or something else is just to not allow your troops which took all my family's property to succeed to make me live worst than them. This is the way , we the Greeks, are thinking and this is the reason that, despite all you stolen from us we still living much better than you- May be you can not understand because you are not a Greek.- Maybe in 1955 you made a wrong decision to cooperate with British instead to defend your , as you call it today, country.

Epsilon
It is nice to have a new poster here now and again because it gives everyone the chance to see again those that are and have been brain washed by the "RoC". The EOKA movement was set up to secure ENOSIS. Pure and simple. We took sides because ENOSIS was out of the question. If the EOKA regime was going just for the freedom of all Cypriots we would have been with you but it simply did not. 1819 is the first date I found for the ENOSIS movement and still the aimes of that union is true today.

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Zan, we have heard your lame excuses and lies many times. In this thread you asked if Turkey had the right for an invasion. The answer was given to you by the UN the very same day of the invasion. Beyond that what you say is nothing more than your usual lame excuses.

If you notice the dates that you give in your propaganda post above are all after 20th July 1974 the day of the invasion. The Turks started killing 1000s of GCs from 20th of July and raping under age girls. After that a few 100s of TCs were also killed.

Go stake your claim with the UN if they say you are right then ask them to give you 37% of the island back and support your right for a GC state with TCs as a minority. I dont see them doing very much doesnt this tell you anything?

There is a resolution for that already VP, I have posted it already. Beyond that the UN itself doesn't have the power to enforce its resolutions, and this is why they are trying to find some different kind of solution.

If Turkey was a civilized country that respected UN resolutions, then things would be very different.

This is why the only way to find a solution to the problem is a change in the balance of power that will not allow to Turkey to violate International laws and human rights in this way.

You may collect as many resolutions as you wish but this does not change the reality of the situation that stares you in the face every day we are divided and will stay this way until both sides agree to unite under a BBF structure as put forward in the UN brokered plan with changes to accomadate your concerns as long as they do not cause us to change our YES. We are the important entity you should work with to move forward but this is impossible for a GC adminisrtation as compromise would mean demise of GC support and loss of power.

Piratis you know my opinion on your swing in power theory good luck to you.

In the meantime if your leaders come to their senses and want to share Cyprus in a way that will elivate TCs concerns and include them in the decision making process only then can you expect to make any progress. Your current policies are only working towards alienating TCs even further and ensuring that there will never be a solution can you not see this?

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Epsilon
It is nice to have a new poster here now and again because it gives everyone the chance to see again those that are and have been brain washed by the "RoC". The EOKA movement was set up to secure ENOSIS. Pure and simple. We took sides because ENOSIS was out of the question. If the EOKA regime was going just for the freedom of all Cypriots we would have been with you but it simply did not. 1819 is the first date I found for the ENOSIS movement and still the aimes of that union is true today.

ZAN , As fo your last frase, no ENOSIS for GCs is a dead story today. May be because they found out that they do not have the military power to ask for it or MAYBE THEY DISCOVERED THAT A 2ND GREEK STATE IN EC and UN is better than one- who knows?

As for EOKA 1955-1960 fight against British for ENOSIS this is trugh however you have not yet realised yet the position of TCs and Turkey before 1955 - It had nothing to do of what you see today. Tcs had no idea about Turkey before 1955 can you understand this? They just followed what Greeks were doing ,even voiding in favor of ENOSIS in 1950!!!!!

You must find an old TC , maybe your grand father and ask him to tell you when disputes between Tcs and GCs started. Or when Turkey started to speak about Cyprus.

This happen only after British in 956-1957 employed pure TCs as policemen to fight EOKA. TCs accepted the employement not because they hate GCs or they had problems with them but only for money. in order for them to live better in an occupied country. Then the hate and disputes started.

Turkey just SOLD YOU to British for money!!!!!!!!- what else someone can say to prove you that your grand parents had nothing to do with this country ?

When EOKA started in 1955 there was not even a small thing related to TCs - neither EOKA or generally GCs had anything in mind against TCs- their intention was to through out the British and yes to ask ENOSIS which was the will of the 90 per cent of Cypriots.

[zan]

[quote="EPSILON"]Epsilon
It is nice to have a new poster here now and again because it gives everyone the chance to see again those that are and have been brain washed by the "RoC". The EOKA movement was set up to secure ENOSIS. Pure and simple. We took sides because ENOSIS was out of the question. If the EOKA regime was going just for the freedom of all Cypriots we would have been with you but it simply did not. 1819 is the first date I found for the ENOSIS movement and still the aimes of that union is true today.

ZAN , As fo your last frase, no ENOSIS for GCs is a dead story today. May be because they found out that they do not have the military power to ask for it or MAYBE THEY DISCOVERED THAT A 2ND GREEK STATE IN EC and UN is better than one- who knows?

As for EOKA 1955-1960 fight against British for ENOSIS this is trugh however you have not yet realised yet the position of TCs and Turkey before 1955 - It had nothing to do of what you see today. Tcs had no idea about Turkey before 1955 can you understand this? They just followed what Greeks were doing ,even voiding in favor of ENOSIS in 1950!!!!!
Excuse me. Where did you get that from.....
You must find an old TC , maybe your grand father and ask him to tell you when disputes between Tcs and GCs started. Or when Turkey started to speak about Cyprus.

This happen only after British in 956-1957 employed pure TCs as policemen to fight EOKA. TCs accepted the employement not because they hate GCs or they had problems with them but only for money. in order for them to live better in an occupied country. Then the hate and disputes started.

Turkey just SOLD YOU to British for money!!!!!!!!- what else someone can say to prove you that your grand parents had nothing to do with this country ?

When EOKA started in 1955 there was not even a small thing related to TCs - neither EOKA or generally GCs had anything in mind against TCs- their intention was to through out the British and yes to ask ENOSIS which was the will of the 90 per cent of Cypriots.Sorry mate but you really have to find out a bit more about Cyprus history. I really do not want to be rude to you by saying that because I believe that you believe what you are saying. I have no problem with people like you because you will learn as you go along but I have a great problem with people like Piratis that tell absolute lies and spin the story around. I hope that I have not offended you in that.[/quote]

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Mssss Kikapolouis

Miss VP,

I can't say I know, what is it that the GC want, to totally to disagree with them. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a GC.

I do not believe the 1960 Constitution is workable any more, if that is what they want. There has been just too much separation of people and bad feelings for us to be "forced" to live together, but if people want to anyway, they can, under a BBF arrangement. I spent 2 weeks amongst the GC's, and everything was OK. I know it is not the same, with day in day out situations, but let people decide for themselves.

The present situation, where the RoC is the only respected Government in Cyprus, is a correct one. I did not invent this, but it is International acceptance. Is it fair for the TC's not to have direct trade and flight, and my answer will be NO, but it is the right decision to prevent the TC from having one.. You can not have a state within a state, run under occupation, and accept it on you sovereign nation. If the roles were reversed, tell me, if you would accept it. However, if the RoC denied the TC's to use any port within it's control, then of course the TC's should have their own direct everything, but that is not the case.

TC's have the right to form their own community within a separate state, as long as they do not occupy land that belongs to others, and it is under a Federal system. Since most GC's and TC's will not want to live with each other, the land situation will be resolved very quickly, by buying and selling to each other, in a civilized way, and not by "force". I don't know why, that we don't knock the doors down of PappaD, in demanding this.

If worse comes to worse and Partition is the best possible option, then TC's should settle for the 18% of the Northern part of Cyprus, and negotiate to pay for the land, from the TC land sold in the South, and within short time, the two sides will learn to live with this arrangement, as a 2 separate states. After a while, you wont even need check points or ID's to come and go between the two sides. Personally I thinks the North will "die" with it small population and limited economy, unless they remove the check points, and live as if, it was a BBF .

We would have a better chance, under a Federal system with 2 state solution (BBF), but that is my choice and not everyone's cup of tea.

I hope I answered your question Miss VP.!!

But it this way you agree 100% with GC policies and you know this dont bullshit people on this forum.

Piratis does not agree with the 1960 consititution either, he believes it give TCs to many benefits above and over what they deserve allowing for the history of Cyprus. This is not an arguement in favor of TCs, you show your GC colours yet again well done you continue to prove me right.

The "RoC" broke down in 1963 and has its heart missing, we have not disappeared and have rights in this country but it was obvious that the 1960 agreements were not going to applies by the GCs they day they signed them as they always cliam they were forced and they had other agendas. The only reason GC cling onto the 1960 agreements is becuase they have sucessfully eliminated the TC element whic was always their dream.

Time to wake up Msssss Kikapolouis, worst has come to worst and I agree with your 18%+ (taking into land purchase options) division agreement has being a way forward. There are many very wealthy countires with less land mass and resources than the TRNC I think we have the infrastructure in place to make things work as we fucntion as a country even today without recognition but with potential once we have gained, to recogniton to improve economically.

The federal system TCs said yes to GCs resoundingly rejected a watered down version would put TCs on the defensive and a resounding NO would be their answer in a future referendum. This you can bank on unless the AP is amended to a degree that would not make TCs insecure and open to GC domination then you might get a YES from both sides but I cannot say 100% sure the south. They appear to want want total control and a GC state where we are put in our place as a minority with no safe guards.

OK for you Mssssssss Kikaopoluis, still waiting for 1 arguement which is put forward by TCs, the army, settlers, land distribution etc. I doubt you can argue anything if favor of TCs as you are not one and cannot feel and think as we do. You policy is clear total surrender to your GC brothers, bend over all you like we will never follow you.

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As for EOKA 1955-1960 fight against British for ENOSIS this is trugh however you have not yet realised yet the position of TCs and Turkey before 1955 - It had nothing to do of what you see today. Tcs had no idea about Turkey before 1955 can you understand this? They just followed what Greeks were doing ,even voiding in favor of ENOSIS in 1950!!!!!
Excuse me. Where did you get that from.....
You must find an old TC , maybe your grand father and ask him to tell you when disputes between Tcs and GCs started. Or when Turkey started to speak about Cyprus.

This happen only after British in 956-1957 employed pure TCs as policemen to fight EOKA. TCs accepted the employement not because they hate GCs or they had problems with them but only for money. in order for them to live better in an occupied country. Then the hate and disputes started.

Turkey just SOLD YOU to British for money!!!!!!!!- what else someone can say to prove you that your grand parents had nothing to do with this country ?

When EOKA started in 1955 there was not even a small thing related to TCs - neither EOKA or generally GCs had anything in mind against TCs- their intention was to through out the British and yes to ask ENOSIS which was the will of the 90 per cent of Cypriots.[b][color=red]Sorry mate but you really have to find out a bit more about Cyprus history. I really do not want to be rude to you by saying that because I believe that you believe what you are saying. I have no problem with people like you because you will learn as you go along but I have a great problem with people like Piratis that tell absolute lies and spin the story around. I hope that I have not offended you in that.[/quote[/b][/color]

Zan, I could send you to various web sides to find out info about the referendum for Enosis in 1950 where the 90 per cent of population-including TCs voted in favor of ENOSIS- However I consider it better for you to find a friend whos grand father is still in life and ask him personally- then come back and tell us exactly what he is told you about 1950.

As for 2nd part of your reply I appreciated the smooth way you put the things but lets see whether we can together teach the NEOCYPRIOTS who they are

[zan]

As for EOKA 1955-1960 fight against British for ENOSIS this is trugh however you have not yet realised yet the position of TCs and Turkey before 1955 - It had nothing to do of what you see today. Tcs had no idea about Turkey before 1955 can you understand this? They just followed what Greeks were doing ,even voiding in favor of ENOSIS in 1950!!!!!
Excuse me. Where did you get that from.....
You must find an old TC , maybe your grand father and ask him to tell you when disputes between Tcs and GCs started. Or when Turkey started to speak about Cyprus.

This happen only after British in 956-1957 employed pure TCs as policemen to fight EOKA. TCs accepted the employement not because they hate GCs or they had problems with them but only for money. in order for them to live better in an occupied country. Then the hate and disputes started.

Turkey just SOLD YOU to British for money!!!!!!!!- what else someone can say to prove you that your grand parents had nothing to do with this country ?

When EOKA started in 1955 there was not even a small thing related to TCs - neither EOKA or generally GCs had anything in mind against TCs- their intention was to through out the British and yes to ask ENOSIS which was the will of the 90 per cent of Cypriots.[b][color=red]Sorry mate but you really have to find out a bit more about Cyprus history. I really do not want to be rude to you by saying that because I believe that you believe what you are saying. I have no problem with people like you because you will learn as you go along but I have a great problem with people like Piratis that tell absolute lies and spin the story around. I hope that I have not offended you in that.[/quote[/b][/color]

Zan, I could send you to various web sides to find out info about the referendum for Enosis in 1950 where the 90 per cent of population-including TCs voted in favor of ENOSIS- However I consider it better for you to find a friend whos grand father is still in life and ask him personally- then come back and tell us exactly what he is told you about 1950.

As for 2nd part of your reply I appreciated the smooth way you put the things but lets see whether we can together teach the NEOCYPRIOTS who they are

I do not have to look far to get he answer to what you are asking. My mother and father were there. The vote was taken in churches and it was never given to the TCs. My parents did not vote on anything concerninf ENOSIS and neither would they in a church. The 90% were all GCs. FRom my fathers mouth.

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Mssss Kikapolouis

Miss VP,

I can't say I know, what is it that the GC want, to totally to disagree with them. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a GC.

I do not believe the 1960 Constitution is workable any more, if that is what they want. There has been just too much separation of people and bad feelings for us to be "forced" to live together, but if people want to anyway, they can, under a BBF arrangement. I spent 2 weeks amongst the GC's, and everything was OK. I know it is not the same, with day in day out situations, but let people decide for themselves.

The present situation, where the RoC is the only respected Government in Cyprus, is a correct one. I did not invent this, but it is International acceptance. Is it fair for the TC's not to have direct trade and flight, and my answer will be NO, but it is the right decision to prevent the TC from having one.. You can not have a state within a state, run under occupation, and accept it on you sovereign nation. If the roles were reversed, tell me, if you would accept it. However, if the RoC denied the TC's to use any port within it's control, then of course the TC's should have their own direct everything, but that is not the case.

TC's have the right to form their own community within a separate state, as long as they do not occupy land that belongs to others, and it is under a Federal system. Since most GC's and TC's will not want to live with each other, the land situation will be resolved very quickly, by buying and selling to each other, in a civilized way, and not by "force". I don't know why, that we don't knock the doors down of PappaD, in demanding this.

If worse comes to worse and Partition is the best possible option, then TC's should settle for the 18% of the Northern part of Cyprus, and negotiate to pay for the land, from the TC land sold in the South, and within short time, the two sides will learn to live with this arrangement, as a 2 separate states. After a while, you wont even need check points or ID's to come and go between the two sides. Personally I thinks the North will "die" with it small population and limited economy, unless they remove the check points, and live as if, it was a BBF .

We would have a better chance, under a Federal system with 2 state solution (BBF), but that is my choice and not everyone's cup of tea.

I hope I answered your question Miss VP.!!

But it this way you agree 100% with GC policies and you know this dont bullshit people on this forum.

Piratis does not agree with the 1960 consititution either, he believes it give TCs to many benefits above and over what they deserve allowing for the history of Cyprus. This is not an arguement in favor of TCs, you show your GC colours yet again well done you continue to prove me right.

The "RoC" broke down in 1963 and has its heart missing, we have not disappeared and have rights in this country but it was obvious that the 1960 agreements were not going to applies by the GCs they day they signed them as they always cliam they were forced and they had other agendas. The only reason GC cling onto the 1960 agreements is becuase they have sucessfully eliminated the TC element whic was always their dream.

Time to wake up Msssss Kikapolouis, worst has come to worst and I agree with your 18%+ (taking into land purchase options) division agreement has being a way forward. There are many very wealthy countires with less land mass and resources than the TRNC I think we have the infrastructure in place to make things work as we fucntion as a country even today without recognition but with potential once we have gained, to recogniton to improve economically.

The federal system TCs said yes to GCs resoundingly rejected a watered down version would put TCs on the defensive and a resounding NO would be their answer in a future referendum. This you can bank on unless the AP is amended to a degree that would not make TCs insecure and open to GC domination then you might get a YES from both sides but I cannot say 100% sure the south. They appear to want want total control and a GC state where we are put in our place as a minority with no safe guards.

OK for you Mssssssss Kikaopoluis, still waiting for 1 arguement which is put forward by TCs, the army, settlers, land distribution etc. I doubt you can argue anything if favor of TCs as you are not one and cannot feel and think as we do. You policy is clear total surrender to your GC brothers, bend over all you like we will never follow you.

Look you prat , how the fuck can the recognised ROC be in inverted commas and the cowboy occupied pseudo state be presented by ignoramus VPs as legitimate. Your arguments are absurd , childish propaganda shit. There is ONE ONLY CYPRUS. The Cyprus that the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS AND RECOGNISES. Get your face out of Turkeys knickers breath in some fresh air and stop farting nonsense. That foes to to other bullshitter Zan .The T/Cs are the owners of all of Cyprurs together with their G/C compatriots. You and Zan are the foreigners the traitors to your country. Kikapu , and this is the name that he uses, not the distorted name you give him , and Bir have more integrity and self respect in their little finger that either you two have in their entire body. Inverted commas , my arse arseholes.

[zan]

The traitor to Cyprus is you and those other idiots that insist on supporting the corrupt government of the "RoC". You will not acknowledge anything that was done to us and still continues to be done to us. I hope you will show the same respect when we do get our recognition as you do now.