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[zan]

Some of you have agreed that the Turkish intervention was legal but the continued "occupation" is not. Can we have a date on when Turkey should have given the island back to the legal government of Cyprus?


23 July 1974

The "Republic had once again failed to maintain respect for the constitution.

On 22nd July Ecevit called upon the UN to "stop the genocide of Turkish-Cypriots" and declared "Turkey has accepted a cease-fire, but will not allow Turkish-Cypriots to be massacred." (Times 23rd July). On 29th July he was reported by the Daily Telegraph as follows: "Security on paper will not satisfy us. Every Turk in every corner of the island must feel at home. This we regard as an inalienable human right. So called security measures which have left Turkish-Cypriots in fear of attack and massacre are no good." [size=18]The German newspaper Die Zeit wrote on 30th August 1974 "the massacre of Turks in Paphos and Famagusta is the proof of how justified the Turks were to undertake their second intervention".[/size]

In any event military action never really ceased between 20th July and 16th August. The Greeks and Greek-Cypriots continued to lay mines and construct strongpoints around the Turkish positions, and the Turks continued to reinforce their troops and to send out patrols.

In that position Turkish forces were not secure, and could certainly not protect the siege in Famagusta. On 8th August the Guardian reported that they had been under sustained mortar attack for 20 days, and on 17th August the Daily Telegraph reported that in the first three days of the siege an estimated 2,000 mortar bombs had fallen on them. Accordingly the Turkish army moved our of its bridgehead and advanced upon Famagusta with the object of rescuing the Turkish-Cypriot population of Famagusta and of securing a viable defensive position. The siege of Famagusta was lifted on 16th August.

The House of Commons Select Committee on Cyprus reported in 1976 "The second phase of military operations was inevitable in the view of your committee as the position reached by the Turkish forces at the time of the first cease-fire was untenable militarily and they needed tanks and armour to consolidate their position and secure Famagusta."

[Piratis]

When your troops will depart Cyprus, that time GCs will decide whether you are allowed to continue to stay in Cyprus, after consideration of your cooperation with the invasion army for 40 or 50 years and you relations with the gray wolfs.

and then you wonder why we prefer to live with Turks instead of GC's....
Who do you think you are to decide whether we can or cannot live in OUR country??

I agree with you iceman. What is unfortunate is that you do not say the same to your own leaders that deny to 200.000 people the right to live in their homeland.

Epsilon is just a person. What he says doesn't really have any effect. On the other hand the actions of your leaders directly violate the basic human rights of 100s of thousands of people.

[zan]

Zan, we have heard your lame excuses and lies many times. In this thread you asked if Turkey had the right for an invasion. The answer was given to you by the UN the very same day of the invasion. Beyond that what you say is nothing more than your usual lame excuses.

If you notice the dates that you give in your propaganda post above are all after 20th July 1974 the day of the invasion. The Turks started killing 1000s of GCs from 20th of July and raping under age girls. After that a few 100s of TCs were also killed.

However, events moved inevitably into a critical phase, and on 15th July 1974 a large force of Greek-Cypriot and Greek troops deposed Archbishop Makarios and the Greek-Cypriot administration, and killed many Greek-Cypriots in the process. One of the EOKA-B leaders, Nicos Sampson, was installed as President and EOKA-B began systematically to murder the Turkish-Cypriot people of the island, who fled as far as they could to the North. EOKA demonstrated the same brutality as they had employed against British soldiers and their families from 1955-1960. The intention was completely to Hellenise Cyprus and to declare ENOSIS.

[Piratis]

Zan, I see you only know how to copy paste from turkish propaganda websites. Since you are obviously unable to participate in a debate, and since all you can do is copy/paste from Turkish propaganda sites, then maybe you should give us a list of your Bookmarks, in the same way that it was given to you, so we get all the info you could ever paste and then you can stop wasting your and our time?

[zan]

Zan, you cannot parse my sentences to fit the way you want it.

If you accept the initial as an Intervention, then you will have to accept the last 33 years as Invasion and Occupation, otherwise you look like an asshole...a really big one at that, so therefore play by the rules.

I can be anything you want me to be Kikapyros but thank you for your answer at last. That does not make Turkeys staying on the island illegal and all will be revealed soon. What would you like me to be next big boy????

I knew it was a waste of time trying to talk with you Zan.

Go ahead, and tell us why Turkey is in Cyprus legally, against all conventional wisdom, and International Laws, as well as UN resolutions.

But Zan has a "secret method", to make Turkey legal.

Is not going to be a lot of "Turkey Talk", is it.?

If so, I can talk "Turkey" also.

The UN Plans
The 1984 draft framework agreement had been prepared by an exhaustive series of talks under the auspices of the Secretary General, and the Turkish-Cypriots were assured by him that the document, dated 27th November 1984, was acceptable to the Greek-Cypriots. On that basis the Turkish-Cypriots agreed to go to the UN to sign it, but when Denktas arrived in New York he found that Kyprianou wished to re-negotiate it.

Kyprianou's announcement at the Summit surprised even his own people, and on his return home a motion censure upon him was passed by the Greek-Cypriot House of Representatives. In the course of the debate Mr. Clerides, leader of the Democratic Rally Party said:

"Right from the first day of the meeting, Kypranou asked for the re-negotiation of everything from A to Z. Among the points he asked to re-negotiate were issues that did not fall within the scope of the Summit, and issues which were already discussed and agreed upon. He should not have brought forth again issues already debated and agreed upon with Denktas."

In the same debate Mr. Papaiannou, Secretary-General of the AKEL party, said: "Kyprianou never adopted the basis of the federation, which was agreed upon by Makarios and Denktas, and Kyprianou never exerted any effort for the solution of the Cyprus problem on the basis of a federation. Kyprianou never respected the Summit agreements."

[Kikapu]

Zan, I see you only know how to copy paste from turkish propaganda websites. Since you are obviously unable to participate in a debate, and since all you can do is copy/paste from Turkish propaganda sites, then maybe you should give us a list of your Bookmarks, in the same way that it was given to you, so we get all the info you could ever paste and then you can stop wasting your and our time?

Zan will be lost without his instruction Piratis. "Talking Points" come direct from the "TRNC" Propaganda Department with helping from Miss VP.

[zan]

Zan, I see you only know how to copy paste from turkish propaganda websites. Since you are obviously unable to participate in a debate, and since all you can do is copy/paste from Turkish propaganda sites, then maybe you should give us a list of your Bookmarks, in the same way that it was given to you, so we get all the info you could ever paste and then you can stop wasting your and our time?

What debate....Me providing vital evidence and you just stamping your feet and saying it is not true........... Keep working Piratis. I am lazy and if someone has already done the work for me then I will use it.

[Kikapu]

Zan, you cannot parse my sentences to fit the way you want it.

If you accept the initial as an Intervention, then you will have to accept the last 33 years as Invasion and Occupation, otherwise you look like an asshole...a really big one at that, so therefore play by the rules.

I can be anything you want me to be Kikapyros but thank you for your answer at last. That does not make Turkeys staying on the island illegal and all will be revealed soon. What would you like me to be next big boy????

I knew it was a waste of time trying to talk with you Zan.

Go ahead, and tell us why Turkey is in Cyprus legally, against all conventional wisdom, and International Laws, as well as UN resolutions.

But Zan has a "secret method", to make Turkey legal.

Is not going to be a lot of "Turkey Talk", is it.?

If so, I can talk "Turkey" also.

The UN Plans
The 1984 draft framework agreement had been prepared by an exhaustive series of talks under the auspices of the Secretary General, and the Turkish-Cypriots were assured by him that the document, dated 27th November 1984, was acceptable to the Greek-Cypriots. On that basis the Turkish-Cypriots agreed to go to the UN to sign it, but when Denktas arrived in New York he found that Kyprianou wished to re-negotiate it.

Kyprianou's announcement at the Summit surprised even his own people, and on his return home a motion censure upon him was passed by the Greek-Cypriot House of Representatives. In the course of the debate Mr. Clerides, leader of the Democratic Rally Party said:

"Right from the first day of the meeting, Kypranou asked for the re-negotiation of everything from A to Z. Among the points he asked to re-negotiate were issues that did not fall within the scope of the Summit, and issues which were already discussed and agreed upon. He should not have brought forth again issues already debated and agreed upon with Denktas."

In the same debate Mr. Papaiannou, Secretary-General of the AKEL party, said: "Kyprianou never adopted the basis of the federation, which was agreed upon by Makarios and Denktas, and Kyprianou never exerted any effort for the solution of the Cyprus problem on the basis of a federation. Kyprianou never respected the Summit agreements."

..........and how does all this makes Turkey's Occupation in Cyprus legal Zan.

I knew it was going to be a lot of "Turkey Talk" coming from you.

Ever heard of, continue to negotiate, until a solution and an agreement is found.

[zan]

What do you think that the TRNC/KKTC has been asking for for all these years Kikapyros. Tell your brother TPap to stop his shit and get to the table with some proper suggestions. Yopu might want to get us killed but we would rather not. Were you working for them as a boy back then too!!!!!

[zan]

I stich page after page of evidence in front of you and there is more where that came from and you still stand there with TPaps finger up your butt asking for more..............More from me or more from TPap.