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[Piratis]

Zan, we have heard your lame excuses and lies many times. In this thread you asked if Turkey had the right for an invasion. The answer was given to you by the UN the very same day of the invasion. Beyond that what you say is nothing more than your usual lame excuses.

If you notice the dates that you give in your propaganda post above are all after 20th July 1974 the day of the invasion. The Turks started killing 1000s of GCs from 20th of July and raping under age girls. After that a few 100s of TCs were also killed.

Go stake your claim with the UN if they say you are right then ask them to give you 37% of the island back and support your right for a GC state with TCs as a minority. I dont see them doing very much doesnt this tell you anything?

There is a resolution for that already VP, I have posted it already. Beyond that the UN itself doesn't have the power to enforce its resolutions, and this is why they are trying to find some different kind of solution.

If Turkey was a civilized country that respected UN resolutions, then things would be very different.

This is why the only way to find a solution to the problem is a change in the balance of power that will not allow to Turkey to violate International laws and human rights in this way.

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because large scale murders of Turkish-Cypriot families continued to take place, particularly in the villages of Aloa (Times, Guardian, 21st August), Zyyi, Sandallaris, Mari, Maratha, and Tokhni, and again despite the presence in Cyprus of UN troops. In Tokhni on 14th August 1974 all the Turkish-Cypriot men between the ages of 13 and 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot.


Maybe you thing GCs were not only unarmed to defend against a full equitment army but were also stupids, Your troops, during the first part of the invasion, raped young and old women, killed unarmed young Gcs , stolen everything they found etc etc, - did you expected no reaction? Do you thing GCs were animals without feelings, no respond to the losses of their relatives, mothers, childs etc etc.?
The point is that, if GCs did inlegal acions against TCs all happened after the invasion . Nothing happen before 20 July 1974. Your troops was the reason not the Gcs behavor.

When your troops will depart Cyprus, that time GCs will decide whether you are allowed to continue to stay in Cyprus, after consideration of your cooperation with the invasion army for 40 or 50 years and you relations with the gray wolfs.

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Then we agree to live as an Anatolians, (thank you for the choice) rather than live in a GC state as a minority. we will fight on every plain to ensure our side of the story is heard and in 3000 years time when all this shit is forgotten recognition will come.



Also GCs made some choices which proved wrong!!!Now I feel is your turn to make he mistakes.

[EPSILON]

Zan, we have heard your lame excuses and lies many times. In this thread you asked if Turkey had the right for an invasion. The answer was given to you by the UN the very same day of the invasion. Beyond that what you say is nothing more than your usual lame excuses.

UN SINCE 1974 ISSUED MORE THAN 300 RESOLUTIONS ABOUT CYPRUS-WHICH ONE YOUR PROPAGANDA ALLOWED YOU TO READ?

[zan]

You keep fighting the good fight for your Greek brothers Kikapyros but where are they when you need them. Are you and therefore they saying that the initial intervention was an intervention or not. Lets get that part out of the way first.

Listen knucklehead. I speak as a Cypriot and I speak it the way I see it, and I speak only for myself, and do not belong to any organisation, such as your Racist and Fascist ATCA. Intervention lasted 1 week, Invasion and Occupation lasted 33 years, minus one week.!!!

Which part of my post do you find biased or not true, or do you want to show your Racist colours once again.

If you were a True Cypriot, you will also see it the same way.

So you for one are saying that the initial action was an intervention. Is that right.




Still waiting for all those that wanted a trial to come in and say their piece..................

Do you have an understanding problem or what.??

Unlike you and all the other Partitionist and Propagandist, I speak only for myself, and not read "Talking Points" from the "TRNC". As an Independent, if the TC's or the GC's do not like what I say, then so be it.

I have when you will not give a straight answer. I know you used it in a sentence but do you agree that the initial action was an intervention.



The thing is Kikapyros that there are no GCs answering this thread because they know what is coming next. You seem to have no clue. Have you had no PMs yet??????????? No! Is it because they like to see the TCs (so you say) fighting amoungst themselves and they stay in the shadows until it is safe to come out....

Zan, you cannot parse my sentences to fit the way you want it.

If you accept the initial as an Intervention, then you will have to accept the last 33 years as Invasion and Occupation, otherwise you look like an asshole...a really big one at that, so therefore play by the rules.

I can be anything you want me to be Kikapyros but thank you for your answer at last. That does not make Turkeys staying on the island illegal and all will be revealed soon. What would you like me to be next big boy????

[Kikapu]

Kikapolous as a "TC" can you give me one arguement against the GC policy which you totally disagree with and find the TCs to be in the right.

Miss VP,

I can't say I know, what is it that the GC want, to totally to disagree with them. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a GC.

I do not believe the 1960 Constitution is workable any more, if that is what they want. There has been just too much separation of people and bad feelings for us to be "forced" to live together, but if people want to anyway, they can, under a BBF arrangement. I spent 2 weeks amongst the GC's, and everything was OK. I know it is not the same, with day in day out situations, but let people decide for themselves.

The present situation, where the RoC is the only respected Government in Cyprus, is a correct one. I did not invent this, but it is International acceptance. Is it fair for the TC's not to have direct trade and flight, and my answer will be NO, but it is the right decision to prevent the TC from having one.. You can not have a state within a state, run under occupation, and accept it on you sovereign nation. If the roles were reversed, tell me, if you would accept it. However, if the RoC denied the TC's to use any port within it's control, then of course the TC's should have their own direct everything, but that is not the case.

TC's have the right to form their own community within a separate state, as long as they do not occupy land that belongs to others, and it is under a Federal system. Since most GC's and TC's will not want to live with each other, the land situation will be resolved very quickly, by buying and selling to each other, in a civilized way, and not by "force". I don't know why, that we don't knock the doors down of PappaD, in demanding this.

If worse comes to worse and Partition is the best possible option, then TC's should settle for the 18% of the Northern part of Cyprus, and negotiate to pay for the land, from the TC land sold in the South, and within short time, the two sides will learn to live with this arrangement, as a 2 separate states. After a while, you wont even need check points or ID's to come and go between the two sides. Personally I thinks the North will "die" with it small population and limited economy, unless they remove the check points, and live as if, it was a BBF .

We would have a better chance, under a Federal system with 2 state solution (BBF), but that is my choice and not everyone's cup of tea.

I hope I answered your question Miss VP.!!

[iceman]

When your troops will depart Cyprus, that time GCs will decide whether you are allowed to continue to stay in Cyprus, after consideration of your cooperation with the invasion army for 40 or 50 years and you relations with the gray wolfs.

and then you wonder why we prefer to live with Turks instead of GC's....
Who do you think you are to decide whether we can or cannot live in OUR country??

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Where was the democracy and human rights for TCs? or doesnt that matter?

Do you ask this from GCs? After 40 years you should asked the invasion authority- There was a coup for 4 days and you decided to live in an army occupation for 40 years- Do no warry however fortunately Cyprus is not Afghanistan therefore may be you can find your democratic rights earlier than you expected.

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and then you wonder why we prefer to live with Turks instead of GC's....
Who do you think you are to decide whether we can or cannot live in OUR country??


THE MAJORITY AND THE INITIAL OWNERS OF THE ISLAND - BUT DESPITE THIS IN ALL COUNTRIES CITIZENS WHICH COOPERATING WITH A FOREIGN ARMY WHICH OCUPY THEIR COUNTRY PASSED FROM A TRIAL, WHY NOT YOU

[Kikapu]

Zan, you cannot parse my sentences to fit the way you want it.

If you accept the initial as an Intervention, then you will have to accept the last 33 years as Invasion and Occupation, otherwise you look like an asshole...a really big one at that, so therefore play by the rules.

I can be anything you want me to be Kikapyros but thank you for your answer at last. That does not make Turkeys staying on the island illegal and all will be revealed soon. What would you like me to be next big boy????

I knew it was a waste of time trying to talk with you Zan.

Go ahead, and tell us why Turkey is in Cyprus legally, against all conventional wisdom, and International Laws, as well as UN resolutions.

But Zan has a "secret method", to make Turkey legal.

Is not going to be a lot of "Turkey Talk", is it.?

If so, I can talk "Turkey" also.