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[EPSILON]

do not have to look far to get he answer to what you are asking. My mother and father were there. The vote was taken in churches and it was never given to the TCs. My parents did not vote on anything concerninf ENOSIS and neither would they in a church. The 90% were all GCs. FRom my fathers mouth.

Zan, I feel very lucky that your parents are nearby to chck what I a Writting. May be hey can convist you about some points I refered to.

As fo churches I do not believe hat your parents had a problem before 1950 to enter churche. Nevertheless what your parents are saying about their relations with Greeks in Cyprus before 1950? I need their words not yours!!!

[zan]

do not have to look far to get he answer to what you are asking. My mother and father were there. The vote was taken in churches and it was never given to the TCs. My parents did not vote on anything concerninf ENOSIS and neither would they in a church. The 90% were all GCs. FRom my fathers mouth.

Zan, I feel very lucky that your parents are nearby to chck what I a Writting. May be hey can convist you about some points I refered to.

As fo churches I do not believe hat your parents had a problem before 1950 to enter churche. Nevertheless what your parents are saying about their relations with Greeks in Cyprus before 1950? I need their words not yours!!!

I am sorry if I gave the impression that my parents are here now with me but that is not the case. I have grown up with my fathers stories and he has some nice ones and some bad ones but the worst ones are betwwen 1963 and 65 when we managed to leave he island for safety. My father has six children and we were his first priority. My eldest sister also tells me stories about when she studied hard to become a nurse but the GCs would not let her sit the exams. She said "well that was the times then"....It makes my blood boil.

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Mssss Kikapolouis

Miss VP,

I can't say I know, what is it that the GC want, to totally to disagree with them. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a GC.

I do not believe the 1960 Constitution is workable any more, if that is what they want. There has been just too much separation of people and bad feelings for us to be "forced" to live together, but if people want to anyway, they can, under a BBF arrangement. I spent 2 weeks amongst the GC's, and everything was OK. I know it is not the same, with day in day out situations, but let people decide for themselves.

The present situation, where the RoC is the only respected Government in Cyprus, is a correct one. I did not invent this, but it is International acceptance. Is it fair for the TC's not to have direct trade and flight, and my answer will be NO, but it is the right decision to prevent the TC from having one.. You can not have a state within a state, run under occupation, and accept it on you sovereign nation. If the roles were reversed, tell me, if you would accept it. However, if the RoC denied the TC's to use any port within it's control, then of course the TC's should have their own direct everything, but that is not the case.

TC's have the right to form their own community within a separate state, as long as they do not occupy land that belongs to others, and it is under a Federal system. Since most GC's and TC's will not want to live with each other, the land situation will be resolved very quickly, by buying and selling to each other, in a civilized way, and not by "force". I don't know why, that we don't knock the doors down of PappaD, in demanding this.

If worse comes to worse and Partition is the best possible option, then TC's should settle for the 18% of the Northern part of Cyprus, and negotiate to pay for the land, from the TC land sold in the South, and within short time, the two sides will learn to live with this arrangement, as a 2 separate states. After a while, you wont even need check points or ID's to come and go between the two sides. Personally I thinks the North will "die" with it small population and limited economy, unless they remove the check points, and live as if, it was a BBF .

We would have a better chance, under a Federal system with 2 state solution (BBF), but that is my choice and not everyone's cup of tea.

I hope I answered your question Miss VP.!!

But it this way you agree 100% with GC policies and you know this dont bullshit people on this forum.

Piratis does not agree with the 1960 consititution either, he believes it give TCs to many benefits above and over what they deserve allowing for the history of Cyprus. This is not an arguement in favor of TCs, you show your GC colours yet again well done you continue to prove me right.

The "RoC" broke down in 1963 and has its heart missing, we have not disappeared and have rights in this country but it was obvious that the 1960 agreements were not going to applies by the GCs they day they signed them as they always cliam they were forced and they had other agendas. The only reason GC cling onto the 1960 agreements is becuase they have sucessfully eliminated the TC element whic was always their dream.

Time to wake up Msssss Kikapolouis, worst has come to worst and I agree with your 18%+ (taking into land purchase options) division agreement has being a way forward. There are many very wealthy countires with less land mass and resources than the TRNC I think we have the infrastructure in place to make things work as we fucntion as a country even today without recognition but with potential once we have gained, to recogniton to improve economically.

The federal system TCs said yes to GCs resoundingly rejected a watered down version would put TCs on the defensive and a resounding NO would be their answer in a future referendum. This you can bank on unless the AP is amended to a degree that would not make TCs insecure and open to GC domination then you might get a YES from both sides but I cannot say 100% sure the south. They appear to want want total control and a GC state where we are put in our place as a minority with no safe guards.

OK for you Mssssssss Kikaopoluis, still waiting for 1 arguement which is put forward by TCs, the army, settlers, land distribution etc. I doubt you can argue anything if favor of TCs as you are not one and cannot feel and think as we do. You policy is clear total surrender to your GC brothers, bend over all you like we will never follow you.

Look you prat , how the fuck can the recognised ROC be in inverted commas and the cowboy occupied pseudo state be presented by ignoramus VPs as legitimate. Your arguments are absurd , childish propaganda shit. There is ONE ONLY CYPRUS. The Cyprus that the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS AND RECOGNISES. Get your face out of Turkeys knickers breath in some fresh air and stop farting nonsense. That foes to to other bullshitter Zan .The T/Cs are the owners of all of Cyprurs together with their G/C compatriots. You and Zan are the foreigners the traitors to your country. Kikapu , and this is the name that he uses, not the distorted name you give him , and Bir have more integrity and self respect in their little finger that either you two have in their entire body. Inverted commas , my arse arseholes.

Now how do I respond to such a post, with the same vile and venomous tone??? pondering

[zan]

Not unless you get very drunk!!!!!!!

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Not unless you get very drunk!!!!!!!

[Kikapu]

Mssss Kikapolouis

Miss VP,

I can't say I know, what is it that the GC want, to totally to disagree with them. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a GC.

I do not believe the 1960 Constitution is workable any more, if that is what they want. There has been just too much separation of people and bad feelings for us to be "forced" to live together, but if people want to anyway, they can, under a BBF arrangement. I spent 2 weeks amongst the GC's, and everything was OK. I know it is not the same, with day in day out situations, but let people decide for themselves.

The present situation, where the RoC is the only respected Government in Cyprus, is a correct one. I did not invent this, but it is International acceptance. Is it fair for the TC's not to have direct trade and flight, and my answer will be NO, but it is the right decision to prevent the TC from having one.. You can not have a state within a state, run under occupation, and accept it on you sovereign nation. If the roles were reversed, tell me, if you would accept it. However, if the RoC denied the TC's to use any port within it's control, then of course the TC's should have their own direct everything, but that is not the case.

TC's have the right to form their own community within a separate state, as long as they do not occupy land that belongs to others, and it is under a Federal system. Since most GC's and TC's will not want to live with each other, the land situation will be resolved very quickly, by buying and selling to each other, in a civilized way, and not by "force". I don't know why, that we don't knock the doors down of PappaD, in demanding this.

If worse comes to worse and Partition is the best possible option, then TC's should settle for the 18% of the Northern part of Cyprus, and negotiate to pay for the land, from the TC land sold in the South, and within short time, the two sides will learn to live with this arrangement, as a 2 separate states. After a while, you wont even need check points or ID's to come and go between the two sides. Personally I thinks the North will "die" with it small population and limited economy, unless they remove the check points, and live as if, it was a BBF .

We would have a better chance, under a Federal system with 2 state solution (BBF), but that is my choice and not every one's cup of tea.

I hope I answered your question Miss VP.!!

But it this way you agree 100% with GC policies and you know this dont bullshit people on this forum.

Piratis does not agree with the 1960 consititution either, he believes it give TCs to many benefits above and over what they deserve allowing for the history of Cyprus. This is not an arguement in favor of TCs, you show your GC colours yet again well done you continue to prove me right.

The "RoC" broke down in 1963 and has its heart missing, we have not disappeared and have rights in this country but it was obvious that the 1960 agreements were not going to applies by the GCs they day they signed them as they always cliam they were forced and they had other agendas. The only reason GC cling onto the 1960 agreements is becuase they have sucessfully eliminated the TC element whic was always their dream.

Time to wake up Msssss Kikapolouis, worst has come to worst and I agree with your 18%+ (taking into land purchase options) division agreement has being a way forward. There are many very wealthy countires with less land mass and resources than the TRNC I think we have the infrastructure in place to make things work as we fucntion as a country even today without recognition but with potential once we have gained, to recogniton to improve economically.

The federal system TCs said yes to GCs resoundingly rejected a watered down version would put TCs on the defensive and a resounding NO would be their answer in a future referendum. This you can bank on unless the AP is amended to a degree that would not make TCs insecure and open to GC domination then you might get a YES from both sides but I cannot say 100% sure the south. They appear to want want total control and a GC state where we are put in our place as a minority with no safe guards.

OK for you Mssssssss Kikaopoluis, still waiting for 1 arguement which is put forward by TCs, the army, settlers, land distribution etc. I doubt you can argue anything if favor of TCs as you are not one and cannot feel and think as we do. You policy is clear total surrender to your GC brothers, bend over all you like we will never follow you.

Miss VP,

I answered you, the best possible way, as a Independent person would.

If you had your own 18% country in Northern Cyprus, you can have all the settlers you want. Even if you had a BBF under a Federal System, you can have all the settlers you want, just don't expect any Federal Funds to pay for them. You can pay for them, from your own State Funds. The Federal Funds will only pay for TC's.

The Turkish military needs to go. If you want to have your own "national guards" have as many as you want, or not have any. It all comes out of your own state budget.

Land distribution based on the population of Cyprus, at the time of 1960 Constitution. 82%-18%. You will also get 18% of Coast line.

If the time has come to the worse, why are you ( I mean Turkey) not making the offer to do so. Of course this will also mean, that Turkey never gets to the front door of the EU Union, let alone be invited inside for some tea (Turkish of course). Don't think for a minute, that you ( TC's)have any say so, in what the future is for the Northern Part of Cyprus. If you did, you would have had your own official country by now. Doesn't that strike you funny, that you only have a de facto illegal state. So cut the Bravado and just do what Turkey tells you Miss VP. You make a good "Hooker" & "Pimp" relationship. You get "Screwed" and the "Pimp" makes the money. When did you ever hear, that the "Hooker" has any say so, over her "Pimp".

I know, these are forbidden for a TC to say, but when you don't have to answer to anyone but yourself, I have the luxury in being able to do that.

Can you say the same Miss VP.?

It pays to live in a Fully Democratic Country, does it not?

Why the hell am I asking you such questions, knowing where you live, in the "TRNC"...sorry.!!

As for the rest of your pointless remarks, I can only say, it must be that time of the month for you.!!

Then again, is the same everyday for you, so it must be something else.!!

Are you getting enough Miss VP.??

[EPSILON]

I am sorry if I gave the impression that my parents are here now with me but that is not the case. I have grown up with my fathers stories and he has some nice ones and some bad ones but the worst ones are betwwen 1963 and 65 when we managed to leave he island for safety. My father has six children and we were his first priority. My eldest sister also tells me stories about when she studied hard to become a nurse but the GCs would not let her sit the exams. She said "well that was the times then"....It makes my blood boil.


Zan , I hope that I tried to explained the reasons for what happen after 1956-1957- Is essential for you and your ideas to find a TC who was in Cyprus in 1950, then maybe you will accept many of my points.

I never rejected and i reconfirm the descriminasions againsts TCs after 1960- No question about this - All these saying that TCs during 1960-1974 were equals to GCs in Cyprus state they are saying stories for babies.

HOWEVER - I REPEAT - TCs HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TURKEY OR AGAINST GCs BEFORE 1955.

ALL BEGAN BECAUSE OF BRITISH

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Msssss Kikapolouis

Miss VP,

I answered you, the best possible way, as a Independent person would.

If you had your own 18% country in Northern Cyprus, you can have all the settlers you want. Even if you had a BBF under a Federal System, you can have all the settlers you want, just don't expect any Federal Funds to pay for them. You can pay for them, from your own State Funds. The Federal Funds will only pay for TC's.

The Turkish military needs to go. If you want to have your own "national guards" have as many as you want, or not have any. It all comes out of your own state budget.

Land distribution based on the population of Cyprus, at the time of 1960 Constitution. 82%-18%. You will also get 18% of Coast line.

If the time has come to the worse, why are you ( I mean Turkey) not making the offer to do so. Of course this will also mean, that Turkey never gets to the front door of the EU Union, let alone be invited inside for some tea (Turkish of course). Don't think for a minute, that you ( TC's)have any say so, in what the future is for the Northern Part of Cyprus. If you did, you would have had your own official country by now. Doesn't that strike you funny, that you only have a de facto illegal state. So cut the Bravado and just do what Turkey tells you Miss VP. You make a good "Hooker" & "Pimp" relationship. You get "Screwed" and the "Pimp" makes the money. When did you ever hear, that the "Hooker" has any say so, over her "Pimp".

I know, these are forbidden for a TC to say, but when you don't have to answer to anyone but yourself, I have the luxury in being able to do that.

Can you say the same Miss VP.?

It pays to live in a Fully Democratic Country, does it not?

Why the hell am I asking you such questions, knowing where you live, in the "TRNC"...sorry.!!

As for the rest of your pointless remarks, I can only say, it must be that time of the month for you.!!

Then again, is the same everyday for you, so it must be something else.!!

Are you getting enough Miss VP.??

This is another fine example of posting coming from another pack member after miltiades pathetic effort you have come in a poor second. The level of posting from you people has deteriorated and I refuse to start a slanging/swearing/scarcastic match, I accept you are more of an expert at this than me, you should stick to answering the questions rather than revert to attacking the person if you want to understand the TC viewpoint which I know you do not want to hear as you cannot accept we have valid concerns and arguements.

You have yet again avoided putting forward 1 TC arguement and supporting it 100%, proof enough for all who and what you are.

[EPSILON]

if you want to understand the TC viewpoint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Do they allowed to have a viewpoint? Their sayings are filter by the chief of staff in Turkish occupation army. I can say Greeks murdered many Turks in their history , I can say some GCs leaders were stupid, can they say Turkey made a genoside against Armenians, Greeks of Pontos, Greeks of Istanbul? No of course ,because they have their kind of Democrasy- Turkish democrasy- similar to Hitler's democrasy.

Go to TAKSIM SQUARE In Istanbul and shout in Kurdish language "I AM A KURD AND TURKISH GOVERNMENT DO NOT ALLOW ME TO BEHAVE LIKE A KURD THEY DO NOT ALLOW ME TO SPEAK BY LANGUAGE" then you will get 10 years in Prison. Go to Syntagma square in Athens and shoud THE PRIME MINISTER IS A THIEVE- Then the policeman who will tuch you will get 10 years in prison/ Million of years civilization differences!!! what you are trying to bring together here in Cyprus?

[Murataga]

Keep on dreaming kid

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