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[joe]

Afraid of demilitarisation?

Two of the smaller Cypriot parties, the Greek Cypriot Ecological Movement and the Turkish Cypriot New Cyprus, have issued a joint appeal for the demilitarisation of Nicosia which was welcomed by the majority of Cypriot parties.
However, the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat repeated his rejection of any such move. This is seen as clear evidence that he draws his support from the presence of the 40,000 Turkish occupation troops in the north that want the partition barriers maintained.
It is worth noting that hundreds, if not thousands of people, both Greek and Turkish Cypriot, cross from one side to the other every day. This movement includes hundreds of Turkish Cypriots who cross daily to work in the government controlled south.
A recent poll by the United Nations indicated that 54% of the people in the northern, Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus, that is both Turkish Cypriots and Turkish mainland settlers, agree with the demilitarisation proposal. What is more significant, the same poll indicated that as many as 80% of the Turkish Cypriots living in the neutral zone - that is the area controlled by the United Nations and not the Turkish army - agree with the demilitarisation proposal. It is also worth noting that the Greek Cypriot National Guard has withdrawn its forward observation and control points from the Green Line.
Surely a demilitarisation and the removal of the divisive Green Line fortifications that cut the city of Nicosia, both within and outside the walls in two, would be a giant step in restoring even more contact, and confidence, between the two Cypriot communities. Turkey's insistence on maintaining the artificial division only tends to prove that it is afraid of such a development.

From the Cyprus Weekly

[humanist]

what can I say to that ........ joe your post covers the details clearly ........... it is all about turkeys greed and violation of human rights

[Nikephoros]

How stupid are NeoCypriots?

You never destroy your military. Especially with Turks next door. You need a military that can resist invasion to be independent. Not to sign demilitarization agreements of Nicosia with Anatolian Muslims and their Turkish Cypriot minority. Those bastards have stabbed Cyprus in the back enough, I am sure when you demilitarize Nicosia you will do so unilaterally and the Turkish Cypriots and motherland Turkey will violate another agreement.

This is probably another Turkish hudna agreement:

"Among classical [Islamic] jurists (Shaybani 1966 ;Tabari 1990. 15-6 ; Ibn Rushd 1995, 656), the peace between dar al-lslam [abode of peace] and Dar al-harb [abode of war] means the temporary suspension of military conflict. Despite their disagreement on the duration of a peace treaty, Muslim jurists are in accord on the provisional status of peace with non-believers. The term used is "hudna" meaning "truce" or "armistice". This view is totally consistent with the principle of total war against polytheism that we discussed above."

From the Canadian Thesis:
"Islam and War : the disparity between the technological-normative evolution of modern war and the doctrine of Jihad"
http://amicus.collectionscanada.ca/s4-b ... &rp=1&vo=1
pg. 115 but on my PDF reader it is pg. 134

[T_C]

How stupid are NeoCypriots?

You never destroy your military. Especially with Turks next door. You need a military that can resist invasion to be independent. Not to sign demilitarization agreements of Nicosia with Anatolian Muslims and their Turkish Cypriot minority. Those bastards have stabbed Cyprus in the back enough, I am sure when you demilitarize Nicosia you will do so unilaterally and the Turkish Cypriots and motherland Turkey will violate another agreement.

This is probably another Turkish hudna agreement:

"Among classical [Islamic] jurists (Shaybani 1966 ;Tabari 1990. 15-6 ; Ibn Rushd 1995, 656), the peace between dar al-lslam [abode of peace] and Dar al-harb [abode of war] means the temporary suspension of military conflict. Despite their disagreement on the duration of a peace treaty, Muslim jurists are in accord on the provisional status of peace with non-believers. The term used is "hudna" meaning "truce" or "armistice". This view is totally consistent with the principle of total war against polytheism that we discussed above."

From the Canadian Thesis:
"Islam and War : the disparity between the technological-normative evolution of modern war and the doctrine of Jihad"
http://amicus.collectionscanada.ca/s4-b ... &rp=1&vo=1
pg. 115 but on my PDF reader it is pg. 134

Give it a break mate. Have you got some Turkish fetish or something? You must spend all your time on the internet reading about Turks to type the crap you come out with...

Must you posts irrelevant links in every thread...

[humanist]

well said turkish cypriot, he is one idiot I cannot be bothered with.

[Nikephoros]

Humanist, you are just another irrelevant Neo-Cypriot. Turkish Cypriots are not your brothers.

Turkish_Cypriot, I do not see how the muslim hudna concept is irrelevant to signing a demilitarization of Nicosia. The Turkish side has already shown the bad faith it has and its intentions by violating so many past agreements.

[humanist]

Nikephoros ........ don't tell me who I can consider as my brother and whom I will not. I welcome everyone who wishes to be my brother as such, they in return have to want to be my brothers...... you have a valid point there, that not all Turkish Cypriots accept that we are brothers/ sisters or infact same human race .... but then neither are you. And if you the term neo Cypriots infers to those Greek speaking Cypriots who have no allegiance to Greece ..... well then that is who I am, about being relevant or not that is entirely your judgement on it....... I AM A HUMAN BEING THEREFORE I AM RELEVANT>

[Aphrodite18]

I AM A HUMAN BEING THEREFORE I AM RELEVANT> Does that mean that ants and other creatures are not?

Just checking...

[humanist]

no aphrodite ......... they count also and they too have a place on the earth that we so carelesly destroy each and everyday by our greed and yearning to have more, more more ....... or is it R..........B?